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On 5/21/2024 at 7:33 PM, defuser said:
Yes, the Quadro FX 4500 (G70) works acceptably with 512MB of video memory on board, at least with ForceWare 77.72 drivers (and higher), but only after installing a special patch.
For ForceWare 8X drivers.XX you will need the "PTCHNVSZ" package (By Rudolph R. Loew). With this package, you can fix the driver and/or the videobios so that it works correctly with this volume. It may also be necessary in other cases, as it contains several related fixes (FIXINTR, FIXEOI, Patch PCI.VxD) and other things that may be useful in some other cases (for more information, see MANUAL.TXT).
For the most trouble-free 9x compatible ForceWare 77.72 driver, you can use a different patch (Created by analogy with "PCHNVSZ", but suitable for the 77.72 version of the driver):
http://windows98.xf.cz/index.htm#NV7722PATCHEDI use a combination of these two options - "FIXEOI" and "PATCHOPT" from the "PCHNVSZ" package + the corrected NVCORE.VxD (From the link above), together with the ForceWare 77.72 driver (The latest version with which D3D\DirectDraw still works without problems). And also nvOpenGl.DLL from version 71.84 (As newer ones caused problems in OpenGL). And MTRR correction (Without which the speed of some indicators in 2D and under DOS on PCI-E cards is extremely low).
For G71 PCI-E, you will need at least ForceWare 8X. XX (With which there are a lot of still unresolved problems, in particular, with D3D\DDRAW). 77.72 doesn't have these issues yet.
Thanks, I've got the NVS440 now but there are so many patches to consider for W98. And I last used it in like 2000 :-)
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1 hour ago, Dixel said:
It should, being a purely DirectX9.0c GPU based on G70 chip.
Thanks, I also have the option of a Quadro NVS-440 which is a PCI-E card. OP says AGP but that's wrong (https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-nvs-440-pcie-x16.c1463) As this is a dual GPU card will it "just work" in W98?
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Q: if Quadro FX 4500 is supported... does it just work as it has 512Mb ram and I hear that causes problems with Win98? And can I select resolutions above 1024x768?? Considering buying one for other reasons
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On 3/27/2024 at 3:41 PM, Dixel said:
Yes, absolutely fine, I also did that BIOS mod by reflashing to 3700. There was (still is?) a ready made BIOS file from the original Quadro card circulating the internet.
I think YOU got confused here (not me!) thinking I wanted to flash card.. I was asking if the FX3700 being equivalent to 8800 GT would work in Win98 with the modded drivers. After all this thread IS about Win98. I said ALSO work with Win2k & XP... ALSO matters... read the words. And despite your "Wow! Think thrice before helping someone." pathetic comment I have NOT blamed you. I just expressed the confusion between you apparently saying Win98 would work (you were not, you were talking about flashi g!!) and the other poster saying it won't despite the thread saying it will.
I'm a big boy and dont care if I wasted 20 bucks on a hobby. But please, "think thrice" about confusing the issues!
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On 3/27/2024 at 3:41 PM, Dixel said:
Yes, absolutely fine, I also did that BIOS mod by reflashing to 3700. There was (still is?) a ready made BIOS file from the original Quadro card circulating the internet.
On 4/3/2024 at 1:48 AM, MrMateczko said:8000/9000 series and newer DO NOT work on Win9x. Period.
7000 series is latest GeForce line that works on Win9x.
I have no idea why the "support" for them was added all these years ago even though no-one reported them working.
I even mentioned it in this thread back in 2017:
This lie is really bothersome for me and for other people who actually know their Win9x stuff...
So what @Dixel said is wrong? I've spent the money now but if Dixel can confirm... and if you are sure these DONT work then surely a Mod should fix the damn thread so nobody else wastes money buying them??
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19 hours ago, Saxon said:
8800 GT to flash Quadro FX 3700
https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/134631-8800-gt-to-quadro-fx-3700/
LOL... I was considering flashing to 8800GT from 3700 (just bought a 3700 on eBay) for the higher clocks but probably better just take the 3700 and BIOS mod for the overclock if the FX3700 works in MacOS as is.... its also compatible with AROS (Amiga-like OS)
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3 hours ago, Dixel said:
On the other hand, FX 1700 is a direct copy of a very common 8600GS. I personally reflashed it in 2007. GT version should have a different VRAM though.
So maybe a good BIOS for 1800 exists. If flashed properly, not drivers editing would be needed. I'm still afraid the 9 series is too new.
FX3700 = 8800 GT so would be fine? Also would serve multi purpose as could use it for 2K, XP and old Hackintosh OS from 10.5 Leopard thru to 10.13 High Sierra in my KVM host with PCIE passthru
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8 and 9 series are both Tesla so would these work on 9 series cards (a Quadro FX 1800 is very similar to a GF 9600 GT) ?? Or do they need INF edits?
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@Dibya came here via Google hoping for some clever solution... Did you dump project?
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Can someone re-share these please? Links dead Thanks
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Thread is people wanting USB 3.0 controllers working under W2K with USB 3.0 speeds... do they ALL work under W2K as USB 2.0 controllers? All I need is a USB 2.0 controller under W2K (I'm doing virtualisation passthrough and only have USB 3.0 controllers - AMD onboard - I might have a Renesas/NEC controller SOMEWHERE!!)
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THANKS.... This really helps with the partition planning. I wasn't aware you could install 2K/XP on non primary partitions but I now know so (I probably forgot, it was 20 odd years ago I last used 2000!). But the Primary partition is still the boot partition and your 2X or XP drive will be drive D or E then? Or can I hide 2k/XP etc from 98 and hide 98/XP from 2K etc? - Your post seems to say I can ;)
FYI, this guy reports no issues booting all 3 on same partition (although I take your point about partition sizes - didn't know, just assumed if 98 will be happy with C as 128Gb then 2k/XP will be)
I know AROS installs Grub so happy to use that. Grub can do all the hiding of other partitions yes?
In summary then is this feasible (install order same also)
Primary FAT32 (8Gb prob) with Win98, and boot files for 2K/XP/7/10? How big can I go?
Rest of SSD as Extended
Vol for Sharing (100-odd GB) - FAT32 I guess
Vol for 2K (5GB)
Vol for XP (10GB)
Vol for 7 (30GB)
Vol for 10 (40GB)
Vol for AROS (8GB) which installs Grub - https://aros.sourceforge.io/documentation/users/installation.php#installing-aros-along-with-windows-r-dos-r
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Hi, appreciate some comments/input please guys n gals!
I have some C2D kit and want to use it for retro OS use (not just one). I suspect W98 will be the "harder" but wanted to check some plans before I do stuff to only have to re-do it for lack of planning
I have:
Gigabyte G33M-S2 (onboard RTL8111 LAN, USB) with 4Gb DDR2 Ram, a selection of CPUs inc Pentium Dual Core, Core2Duo, Core2Quad and Xeon 771 Quad ;-)
Geforce 7600 GS 256Mb single slot (also have a GT740 dual slot)
Soundblaster Live PCI
My intention is to install Win98, Win2K, XP on one FAT32 partition of a 240Gb SSD (probably 20Gb or so), plus Win10, AROS (an Amiga-like OS) and maybe a FAT32 sharing partition.
BIOS settings - I'd prefer to use AHCI (so Rloew's patch presumably). I want USB 2.0 enabled. Any gotchas?
So first question is around partitioning. I understand W98 has a 128Gb limit but does that matter if I use the first 20-30Gb for its partition? Also I assume due to having an SSD I need to format on a modern OS to ensure partition alignment (W10 or Linux - does it matter?)
Random question but does anyone know of a list of Win98 exclusive games or Win2K exclusives? Otherwise I might as well run those in XP.
I have a better GT740 spare which is supported in 2000/XP but what would the result in 98 or 98-DOS be - would that make those unusable or would they, like in some retro OS like Amithlon, use the VESA mode and would work and the overall speed boost would compensate for lack of proper drivers? I could fit the GT740 in main PCIE slot (blocks one PCI), SB in PCI and 7600GS in 4x PCIe Slot so have both on hand.
Bootloaders - all 3 on 1 partition does work (saw a nice YT video) and AROS installs GRUB, that would boot all OS. Any gotchas to worry about?
Installing 98 - any recommended process? I have spare IDE & SATA DVD drives, USB DVD & pen drives. My list of Rudy Loew's patches to apply is likely● SATA support for Windows 9x
● >4GB RAM support for Windows 9x
● AHCI CD DOS Driver
● AHCI for Windows 9x
● PTCHCDFS - To correct displayed size of DVDs on Windows 9x
● >4GB file support for Windows 9x
● 48 bit LBA support for Windows 9x (HDD up to 2 TB)
● Windows Driver Model (WDM) API ExtenderPLUS I will need LoneCrusader's INF files for the mobo
Given I'd like AHCI and more than 1Gb Ram etc so need patches what's the best process for installation? Format partition to FAT32 on modern machine (as earlier) and copy files to partition ready for install (but they how do I format it as DOS compatible to boot up before installing W98) or do i need a 2nd FAT32 partition?! Some advice as to best process would be great!
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10 hours ago, Carlos S. M. said:
Sorry for the late reply, i'm not very active here
LoneCrusader's Intel INFs package for chipset
NUSB for USB
LAN, i used Realtek PCIe Win98 drivers for my board (GA-EP41-UD3L)
Nvidia - either 82.69 or 81.98 + inf editThanks.. I'm also same LAN chipset ;-) And Onboard USB works? If so then all i need add is my SB Live... My 7600 will run with either driver set :-D
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On 5/27/2020 at 1:16 AM, Carlos S. M. said:
I recently got Windows 98 SE installed and working on a Gigabyte GA-EP41-UD3L (Intel G41, ICH7)
Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
4 GB DDR2 800
nVidia Geforce 7800 GTX with modded nvidia 81.98
120 GB HDD
Realtek 8111C/D (works)Realtek ALC888 (doesn't work)
Carlos isn't a regular here to reply to PMs.
Does anyone know what chipset drivers are needed for P41/G41/G31 chipset family for Win98 and if they allow USB to work also? I have a G33M-S2 (PCIE + 2 PCI slots) so GF-7600 PCIE plus SB Live and either PCI LAN or PCI USB card?
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Thanks @cov3rt and @win32 for the advice. I think I am gonna pass for now... Tried installing XP on a Core2Duo box and had so much hassle I thought I'd nLite an XP with unattended setup... and found nLite hates running on Win10 and it so much hassle. Maybe if I find some patched XP and 2K on some warez site I might install but for now my "retro" OS is gonna be Win7 LOL!
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Just mentioning for the record I have my original hologram style Win2K CD still but not used Win2K for MANY years. I used to mess with nLite for XP a lot building custom unattended setups etc. Now thinking to have a play again with Win2K and KernelEx etc but there are TOO many options and patches to install!
Obviously we'd want to start with an SP4 ISO but I am somewhat surprised we don't have a single (or a few) sources of packs that can be integrated with nLite or similar to build a fully patched ISO. Watched some videos and people are installing pages of patches after SP4 install. I suspect many people who want to run W2K will use multicore CPUs now so thread on that topic is relevant.
Just wondering if anyone has done a nice Wiki page or a guide post as to how to assemble that "perfect" ISO ?? I'd do it myself but I really don't feel I have a clue these days....
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Thanks guys
I have KVMs and I have monitors with multiple inputs. Given I expect to boot into XP 90% of time and Win98/DOS only 10%, I would be happy to use monitor to switch when needed. So, just set BIOS priority to PCI and disable device not needed in XP.
@Goodmaneuver your post had me wondering.. is there a reason why I should bother with PCI FX5200 when surely a PCIe card with 10x (or more) performance of that card would be sufficiently quick to make the difference even with a VESA or Std Driver? Do I need an FX5200 for DOS or would a modern (RX570 for example) blow it out of water?
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How does it work? ;-)
Seriously though, if i have a machine with 2 GPUs, one PCIe for XP and one PCI for 98.
If I boot into 98 how do I stop 98 seeing a GPU it cannot use (the PCIe one has no drivers)?
If I boot into XP how do I ensure it uses the better PCIe GPU.
I am sure I have seen something here about it but I cannot find the right search terms to find the thread.
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On 10/22/2019 at 3:54 AM, LoneCrusader said:
I have also added a couple of small projects that we had worked on that were never released. I'm dreading the writeup on WDMEX when the time comes, lol.
I didnt know Rudy but I can certainly see (returning here after some years away) that he did a helluva lot towards this community and helping extend the life and usability of older OS's.
I found the quoted post when looking for WDMEX guidance. I confess the Readme.txt didnt help me a lot. The TLDR suggests WDMEX helps use 2k/XP drivers on 98 ... Would that allow me to run a more modern GPU for 98?? I can find XP drivers for a Radeon HD4850 which is about 10 years too new on 98's scale so would be great to be able to use that for a range of OS's
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Thank you for just what I was looking for... I should visit MSFN more often!
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Didnt work for me with IE8 installed.. anyone else?
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Thanks, I was beginning to think I'd have better gone back to my SP2 original.
Coincidentally I noticed a WMI issue in the Event Log even when I had re-added the WF/ICS service back.
So, back to SP2, then SP3 integrate and OnePiece pack. Can I do that in one session or separate only?
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BUT I don't have any interest in an argument over it
What is best USB Soundcard for Win98/XP/Win7 x64 setup?
in Windows 9x/ME
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@ruthan do you still have this or a link or a pic of it? I'd like one!