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Thanks allen2, I won't boot into TRIM capable OS, only XP, so with that in mind it seems that the 840 Pro is not so a good choice, I knew the Intel was good but the price was a bit over and I have read horror reports from people with this 520 and its sandforce controller. Both have a TRIM utility, so if the magician utility works under XP (is able to send TRIM commands under the hood) then I'm for it. I'm still to confirm it in fact DOES send the trim commands, SSD's on XP seems like a taboo theme on the internet, questions everywhere without answers. I'm really not going to write anything on the SSD. Only OS, programs, and when everything is settled down, the eventual files programs write onto "programfiles" since I will set Documents&Settings to D:. I will make 2 partitions one for XPx86 another for XPx64. The problem with the 840 Pro is that I haven't seen models with less than 120Gb

Well for you guys worried about pagefile on SSD, I by chance stumbled over a trustful link explaining it, I was already convinced but hopefully you now too. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx I also read from this kind of trustful webs that you should place at least one pagefile on your OS drive, even if your main pagefile is on D: or E:, because data blocks will be kept on same drive/partition. My thought is that (as explained above) only small amounts of information is normally needed by OS, so set a small fixed pagefile on OS drive, and when your programs get really hungry then they will fallback on the bigger D: pagefile. I think this is an optimal configuration. About SSD, I'm currently reading. I use WindowsXP which doesn't have TRIM builtin so I need to use a SSD with good "garbage collector" (GC), normally this is controller ridden. I am between 3 drives, Samsung 840 Pro, Crucial m500, and any of newer Intel's, all below 128Gb. I have more questions than answers at this stage, for example, I need to "align" the SSD, or that I can't install the mobo's Intel RST AHCI drivers (because it will override the internal SSD's controller which does the GC). Any insight on this? Then there come's which one does the GC best, I'm not sure, I'm leaning towards the crucial m500 but a good thing on Intel is that I keep everything in line (CPU, mobo, SSD) and that it also has a "manual" tool for TRIMMING, which I might need in XP. @puntoMX: I like all the ram sticks linked, but they are far too expensive. I don't plan to spend more than 80$ probably for them. I'm really more looking forward to understanding features than having models offered in that sense.

yes the Samsung 840 is VERY good, I didn't know it was so cheap, for its capacity (120Gb) and quality. Will pick the best ram I find for my budget, my target being 2x4Gb 1866Mhz CL9 1.5V. Whatever (no crap) brand I find.

@submix8c: it certainly looks like you like fighting against each side of your personality. Deal with that before coming personal to me. So I recommend you to delete that post because maybe it's you who can't read well, I've changed to Haswell since then, but you seem to stick with the past. Let me ignore you please, you won your own game. puntoMX: gracias, but I know that, it's an evidence that everything is prone to be outdated, but what do you suggest to me, wait for DDR4? 2 years from now? I have a 2Gh Xeon woodcrest (dual core) that's a 6 generations gap, with DDR2, I need a computer now. And I can't find a better moment than now with a new CPU in the market, and probably one of the last in this type of markets (for 1150 there could be up to 3 gens, haswell, haswell refresh, broadwell). From now on I bet we will start seeing CPU+MOBO bundles, etc. Another option is LGA2011, but I can't afford that. The cheapest LGA2011 CPU is 300€, and Ivy. Also I am aware of the spec, but specs are specs, OC is out of specs, and I won't buy a K cpu to stay at 3.4Ghz, or 1600 Mhz for RAM, etc. I'm gonna tweak CPU and RAM wherever possible. What I found is this. A RAM compatibility sheet for Intel CPU's, and you see ALL types of ram bandwiths with Ivy (included the P8Z77 mobo) and haswell as well. The only problem being that the required (well it exactly says "certified") mobos are way too over my budget.

mistype, isn't it obvious? I can't read that the maximum ram bus is 1600 for that mobo in your links. I only find a reference to the H2 chipset having a 1600 limit, but all I was talking was about Z77. Sorry I can't see anything you talk about, you could help by adding some quotes... Still I found a good line on that wiki page: So 2133 is not a "hack", it's in fact a standard. Anyways, my original post was quite a long time ago. When actually I was deciding between haswell or ivy. I think I finally decided to go with haswell, betting on Ivy at this stage is indeed a moot point. So most likely and for my budget: 4670k, ASUS Z87-Pro. DDR4 is not coming in a looooong time. Next year we will see it on servers, so... long path to go. If I ask about 1866Mhz is because I read lots of guys having and OC rams of 1866, 2133 and beyond since a long time. And they are on Ivy, so how would my limit be 1600 if I haven't built my system yet? I'm not going to build an outdated rig, I want it to be some kind of future proof, but without going enthusiast/expensive (LGA2011, etc). I know I can't ask for what is a good for me. But I can ask what is generally good to look for in RAM sticks (speed, latencies, brand reputation, etc), then I go to my local store, and with the knowledge I make my own calculations/decisions.

You could make your pick out of some enterprise SSDs, they should be more durable by design, cost also a lot more.You know that design changes from brand to brand, right? hell, even from model to model : P If you got no pagefile, then some temp file are being written to disk, no matter how much RAM you got. For scratch file want a wise advise? change that HDD cluster size to 64K. Anyway I was more eager to hear your response about my RAM questions on yesterday's post.

@bphlpt: You know, the use of the pagefile is by design. The pagefile is a reminiscent of old years when RAM wasn't as today's, and by design some things were confined to the swap file. Having more RAM is not going to prevent pagefile from increasing or being used. Best bet?, well if you have a SSD put your main pagefile as "fixed size" in your mechanical HDD, a small one on your SSD (it's sometimes needed) and live with it. Scratch file goes to HDD or RAMdisk (out of ram) if you will. I don't know why you guys are so concerned about pagefile XDDD I haven't asked anything about that... I asked for good SSD brands/models... durable by design.

Sorry, I was talking about the "Scratch file" (who puts these names...?) of Photoshop. I have had looooooooooooong discussion before about the pagefile, whether it was necessary or not, and the conclusion is YES, you need a pagefile. If you set none, still some files will be swapped to disk, and with a SSD you won't want that, don't you? Google this for the long discussion:"ramdisk pagefile site:foro.noticias3d.com". you will want a translator since it's in spanish.

I'm not offended, it's ok without deep explanation. What I'm used to see is 1866 CL9 and 1.65(?), not sure about voltage tho. Also same specs in CL7 flavour, but that pumps the prices much higher. Wouldn't it be buying 1600 right now falling a bit short? These days I have read that everything above 1600 is an overclock (OC from factory, but still OC) so it makes me think that sticks being sold as 1600 are for a reason, meaning not so overclockeable. I also read that for example that timings don't mean the same on different speeds, for example CL9 is not the same in 1600 than 1866 (means better with the latter) About SSD, I know exactly what I need to do in order to avoid write cycles, but I read a lot of reports of sudden SSD deaths, failed blocks, reliability, etc I mean, it depends on the use? Yes, and also manufacture process. So for me best is no what's faster, but rather what's more robust. I surfed a bit and read articles, user opinions, etc. I was expecting a closer feedback for comparison between Kingston and SanDisk SSD's vs Intel, Samsung and Crucial SSD's. What I couldn't understand at all was your explanation on the swap file. Photoshop needs a hard drive, if you set none, default C: will be used. Did you mean RAM would be automatically used? or that I'd be better off making some RAMDisk? Running only 3 available gigabytes for RAM on my x86 XP I doubt there would be enough room for your original "swap to RAM" suggestion.

Thanks for answers!, about this: What there is to look at in case memory block were large (the last number? 24 vs 27?) I work a lot with Photoshop, Maya, Avisynth, and that kind of heavy stuff, would these use large blocks? About SSD, I'm really not concerned about speed, be it x8, or x16 speed boost. Even a x4 speed increase is enough for me, I want a snappy windows response, and programs that don't take ages to launch, boot times shortened as well. I'm gonna get that with any SSD, so what I'm looking for is resilience to wear, failed blocks, durability, etc

1. Thanks 5eraph. Yes newer CPU's have the FSB on chip, so there's not FSB actually. Thanks for the link, that deserves a good read. The question is more towards about over 1866Mhz ram speed, for example 2133Mhz, is this natively supported in RAM, Mobo, etc? or only achievable by overclock? another way to ask it, is it a hack or a number supported by a known standard? 2. @submix8c, yes, I was talking about adaptive speed. I know you can increase/decrease speed in bios, but I would think that is an fixed speed. Now some PSU's are able to adapt themselves, so when idle it won't spin as much and be more silent. I'll need to do some more research, expecting to not exceed budget. 4. it's funny all the desktop wifi cards have awkward antennas attached to it, it looks so 90's XDD, it's the first time I need to buy one so it shocked me. I wonder why can't they be internal like with laptops, or maybe that is not an optimal design? With this said I don't care buying a wifi card apart from mobo, it's gonna bother the same either way. 3. Hopefully someone can recommend me a good SSD out of Intel, Samsung and Crucial. Good as in reliable, speed not much of a concern for SSD's.

I managed to find some answers. 1. I read that by setting even number of modules you get a speed boost, dual channel in my case for 2x4Gb so I might buy that. Should I buy something over 1866Mhz? Would it run in native speed or only after OC? What are good models of Kingston? 2. I havel also been reading and almost all PSU nowadays have protection for micro power surges. That's a good thing. The thing is that the named PSU's are always spinning despite the CPU load. there are some that adjust themwelves. 4. Also today I saw a wifi internal card, and it comes with external antennas WTF! I mean, on my laptop I didn't need any antenna whatsoever, the wifi is internal. There doesn't exist any REAL internal wifi? Thank you!

Hello, I'm going to build a new rig and there are a few components (PSU, RAM) I don't know which to buy. Budget is about 500€ and I will be using it for work (no games), video/audio processing/encoding, Photoshop, and in the near future CG as well, a field I had apart for a while but want to resume or be able to at any moment. I don't need Graphic Card, it will be i5-3570K, Asus Z8P77-V Pro, SSD, a case I haven't chosen yet, and 2 more components I don't know what to choose, RAM, and PSU. 1. I'm thinking on a fast RAM of 1866Mhz, but I don't know what brand is good (I was recommended G.Skill), here on my local place they sell Kingston and Corsair, are they good? and should I buy 1x4Gb or 2x2Gb, what is better? 2. I'm also open to recommendations for PSU, in the 600W range. A good PSU overall, silent... I don't know exactly what else to ask for a PSU, that's also something I would like to know, I have read good things about aerocool strike X and Seasonic M12II. The main issue is that where I live there are micro power surges, so I want something to protect from that, not sure if at PSU or Mobo level. 3. About SSD, I read that Samsung and Intel are good reliable brands, but I'm not sure to find those at my place, I think here they work more with Sandisk, are they good/reliable? 4. To finish one small question, I'm thinking on buying an esata equipped mobo, in that terms I thought it would be a good idea to invest and buy one with wifi built in. The thing is I saw that with these boards an USB antenna is sold. The idea was to make things easier so I wonder do I need to plug this antenna for the board wifi? Thanks for the help!

Tripredacus: Yes, I'm aware of that, I was rather talking about the setup.exe and (component) entries naming convention. But who knows whether that is something prone to change or not.

Tripredacus: This is the first time it happens to me but then it's actually a per-driver only thing, this time it just decided to honor built-in drivers instead of Intel's. And that's not always true (as seen by my old laptop, the XPx64 partition, etc). I'm not gonna risk getting a BSOD for this, so drivers stay as they are, maybe I can wait for driver's next version. I will buy a new system soon anyways. jaclaz: it's alright, there's not much left to discuss here. Driver is not required, and setup.exe is broken in giving the nifty device manager names, unless someone comes here and prove this wrong. I also managed yesterday to make my smartphone communicate with XP thanks to an akward procedure (this must be a WMP11 bug)

If you ensist at a nice device manager view, update the driver manually and select chipset inf files. I write one, two, three, and you answer two, three. Didn't you even learn the most important lines come first? Inside 5000XZVP.inf: %PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25FA.DeviceDesc%=PCI_DRV,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25FA in [iNTEL] [iNTEL.NT.5.1] and [iNTEL.NTamd64] You say this points to pci.sys which is a system's file. Generic drivers same as NO_DRV. Alright, then I guess that my question is very easy to make now, which is simple, but I ask; "how to automatically rename entries with setup?" The main point of this thread revolves around something faulty about this driver/setup.exe, which is not capable of automatize what it should be automatizing. But let me add another thing.... I go further on the inf list and I find: %PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2670.DeviceDesc%=ISAPNP_DRV,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2670 isapnp.sys another generic driver? I attach the install log, it's too long for me to understand what it means without knowing what to look for. @submix8c: Only americans know how to waste so much space. IntelChipset.rar

ok so, from what you say, how I am to know what drivers a component is using? You tell me that and I go to the XPx64 install to check first hand the driver is same as XPx86. btw look more data for you, 25FA, by your terms this one also doesn't need any drivers... Intel 5000X Chipset - PCI Express x16 Port 4-7 [General Information] Device Name: Intel 5000X Chipset - PCI Express x16 Port 4-7 Original Device Name: Intel 5000X Chipset - PCI Express x16 Port 4-7 Device Class: PCI-to-PCI Bridge Revision ID: 12 Bus Number: 0 Device Number: 4 Function Number: 0 PCI Latency Timer: 0 Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25FA&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12 [PCI Express] Version: 1.0 Maximum Link Width: 16x Current Link Width: 16x Maximum Link Speed: 2.5 Gb/s Current Link Speed: 2.5 Gb/s Device/Port Type: Root Port of PCI Express Root Complex Slot Implemented: Yes Hot-Plug: Not Capable Hot-Plug Surprise: Not Capable Slot Power Limit: 150.000 W Active State Power Management (ASPM) Support: L0s Active State Power Management (ASPM) Status: Disabled [System Resources] Interrupt Line: N/A Interrupt Pin: INTA# [Features] Bus Mastering: Enabled Running At 66 MHz: Not Capable Fast Back-to-Back Transactions: Not Capable

I'm sorry, ask exactly what you are looking for and I can pinpoint it for you, I can't explain you my life if I don't find a reason to, but I can tell you that my XP install is fine, so that route is not to be suspected. retail SP3, with up to date hotfixes, and mass storage drivers from drivers pack, everything from a +3 years unattended disc that I have been working for so long. The XP x64 disc has the same modifications, but the driver works there. Thanks, I'll buy one when I get rich, meanwhile will you help me install the chipset drivers? cdob, I'm sorry but it's not clear to me whether you want to help or troll. All I have been doing since my first post a week ago was giving information about hardware ID and chipset drivers, and now you want me to repeat it for you? Yes, the evidence says that my setup is not installing the drivers, you say because that's correct, because the DeviceDesc%=NO_DRV, I tell you XPx64 has the same entry and there it had no problems, and your conclusion is a rephrase of my above post(?): doh!, could you be more helpful?

you are mixing my findings... My above picture is from a setup install (on my XPx64 partition), not a manual update. And I go beyond, on my first uploaded screenshot you can see I manually installed one component in XP x86, so I got a nice name yes.... and a nice driver version... and a nice driver year... and a nice controller detail path pointing to pci.sys... incidentally the same as in XP x64... I use a precision 690 and XP x86 Professional up to date. I'm having all kind of problems and my guess is this driver, ie. My USB wifi disconnects when I plug another USB, the smartphone won't be recognized, etc.

You mean that the driver is designed so the default generic XP drivers are used instead of the ones from the manufacturer? What logic is that? isn't that the same as "no available drivers for XP x86"? Anyways I can't fully agree with that because even without changing a thing, if I manually go and from device manager try to update a component, if I point to the same INF, it gets autodetected and installed... meaning that it's supposed to be installed from setup. AND, as you can see in the picture below for XPx64, component 25C0 gets installed from setup, and the INF looks the same as for x86: [iNTEL.NTamd64] %PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25C0.DeviceDesc%=NO_DRV,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25C0

can someone help me please? On Hardware Manager the component ID is: If I browse inside the "All" folder of the extracted "Intel Chipset Device Software" "Driver" there is an inf that should match my component called "5000XZVP.inf", under inspection I find a matching component ID in 2 sections: But when I clilck on setup nothing is detected or installed, and this is driving me nuts because I think this is the main reason my smartphone won't be recognized on the PC, my XP x64 partition had no problem with this chipset driver, but the smartphone won't work there, presumably because it is not compatible with the x64 version of XP.

Hello, I'm trying to install the proper chipset drivers of my board. Before installing XP x86 I took a snapshot of the XP x64 OS, as you can see on the image despite I installed the supposedly correct chipset driver the entries are left without updating. It's the 5000 series chipset, and I installed Intel® Chipset Device Software 9.4.0.1017.zip which has inside a setup.exe and in one folder an inf pointing to my component (checked Dev. ID etc): ; ******************************************************************************** ; ******************************************************************************** ; ** FileName: 5000XZVP.inf ** ; ** Abstract: Windows* 2K, XP, 2003, 2008, Vista INF File for ** ; ** Memory I/O Controller Hub ** ; ** Last Update: February 25, 2013 (Version 9.1.9 Build 1003) ** ; ******************************************************************************** ; ******************************************************************************** [Version] Signature="$WINDOWS NT$" Class=System ClassGUID={4D36E97D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} Provider=%INTEL% CatalogFile=5000XZVP.cat DriverVer=02/25/2013, 9.1.9.1003 Why the driver won't install? edit: as you can see I manually update one port to assure it's a working driver, I just don't find a reason why it wouldn't install all at once. edit2: for clarification I list almost all the missing component IDs PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25C0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&00 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&80 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&81 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&82 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F1&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&88 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F3&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&98 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F5&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&A8 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25F6&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&B0 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25E3&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&18 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25E5&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&28 PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_25E6&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_12\3&172E68DD&0&30 ...

OK, BartPE would do it as well, right? So I just delete the E:\Recycler (with those folders inside). BRB edit. oh yes!! So convenient self-booting disc. That trick did it, thanks guys!!

but how do I know what files/folders I need to delete? I only have De17 and De18 in the recycle bin.

Well, this is the famous bug(?) that you can find elsewhere when googling, but I can't manage to solve it. I did many things described around like, delete on safe mode, delete from command line, restore recycle bin, antivirus scan, etc with no success so I post here. First the 2 folders were visible in recycle bin, then while trying something of the above they went hidden, still I can see them if I search for them from command line inside "E:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-790525478-861567501-1177238915-500", the problematic folders are called Dc17 and Dc18, and i can't do anything with them,a ll I get is an "access denied" error. What else can I try?