i figured it out.. i reinstalled using an updated nlite lol on the server pc & it works thanks everyone for suggestions/help EDIT: *sigh* never mind, i still need help, i spoke too soon, it worked once lol i cant understand this, this is the ONLY thing i have problems with, all other things work good that use internet, realvnc,all my programs that have updates will update without a prob, its just shareaza