Yes many users would agree with this statement as I can remember comments in the sop's AutoPatcher for 98SE thread relating to this matter. I have that version on one box but have used 10.3.0.24 on another with no problem. However all show up as working on the Adobe Shockwave Test page, there is a Shockwave Uninstaller listed at --- http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/#sp I have never had any cause to use it as Shockwave does show up on Add/Remove Programs ( I use Tihiy's version) but you could try an uninstall with that and a reinstall with 10.2.0.023. I downloaded the version 10.2.0.23 and it said installation successful, and yet when I go here to test it I see nothing in the box where I am supposed to see something. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/# Also anyone know if you install one version of the normal flash player on say FF, then another on say I.E, then do a test on both versions using the 2 different browsers, and I see the 2 different versions being displayed by Adobe, am I right in thinking that both browsers are actually using different versions of the Flash Player? I have now got the shockwave version to work on I.E I am now going to try on FF.