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Hey dude, this board is so exciting new for me! I have been watching ISA mobos for latest years http://www.volny.cz/rayer/hardware/mbisa.htm but when I need to upgrade I couldn't find any MB supporting Core2 duo and ISA together (there was some 945 board but w/o C2D support). So I gave it up and bought common cheap Asus MB P5LD2 without ISA but with additional PATA133 controller. Your mobo looks nice. But issue for me is that buying such mobo in CZ country is nearly impossible, there probably isn't any distributor I know only about distributor of Advantech mobos and they are priced 4-times than others for general PC.

Hm, strange I don't have much accidents with bad rendering of nvidia drivers/cards. Once I remember on GF4MX440 it made strange effect when square checkboxes in windows was rotated about 10 degrees CCW, see this: http://www.volny.cz/rayer/windows/winbug.gif but it was very rare (this fixed after reboot).

I know about this 2 MS patches and allready tried it. Anyway it could be included in unofficial servicepack. I think this mentioned thing may cause the problem: "The computer could hang with a black screen because of the method in which IRQ holders for the video adapter are configured at boot time and disabled during shutdown by the Pci.vxd component." I think I have updated pci.vxd but I'll check again at home... EDIT: I checked the system files but all I have same or newer version (from nSP).

Yes Im'm sure. At first you find win.com /z feature yourself so APM shutdown code is really there. Even I saw somewhere patched win.com version which didn't shutdown PC. I was trying this: boot up my wins an replace win.com with simple prog which light keyboard LEDs and then I do 1) shutdown - It light up 2) reboot to dos - It light up 3) reboot - It didn't light up Somewhrere I readed that on shutdown windows are trying to switch back to realmode and needs to successfully terminate all PM drivers. This is a place where it stucks. When doing just reboot it's not necessary, reboot is done from PM. I would need some logger which saves as much possible events happening on reboot.

I can't. I need latest drivers to work with my GF7600 now.

I searched for some universal VESA driver (like XP have) to use higher resolution on my portable 98se bootcd but nothing found. BTW there's universal VESA driver for Windows 3.x I wonder nobody made it for Win9x.

I can report that 7600GS PCI-E works for me - I bought passive cooled card by Asus. I use setup.exe to install drivers and they find the card properly. After reboot it jumped to higher resolution and colors. I reuploaded the cuurent version I installed on site linked above. The only one thing that doesn't work is refresh rate override - there's only "default" option and no choices for other freq. It worked with 6600GT. Anyway the refresh rates leaved set from previous install so I still have nice 85Hz. Is there some program or reqistry tweak to change it? Here's a short comparison of all 3 VGAs on same system (I know UT2k3 is quite old and don't use new feats present on 7xxx) UT2003 - 6600GT botmatch-anubis.bat 6.414104 / 131.647461 / 235.257553 fps -- Score = 131.729263 500 GLQuake 192.5 FPS @500/500 UT2003 - 7300GT 22.087105 / 109.879433 / 247.155441 fps -- Score = 109.918694 350 25.551746 / 122.817650 / 239.012955 fps -- Score = 122.880478 400 34.479042 / 131.312286 / 235.985138 fps -- Score = 131.388199 450 GLQuake 178.3 FPS @350/350 GLQuake 208.0 FPS @400/400 UT2003 - 7600GS 27.910692 / 136.744904 / 241.676956 fps -- Score = 136.839706 400 39.587563 / 142.116074 / 236.930481 fps -- Score = 142.222290 450 23.092884 / 142.187195 / 239.293396 fps -- Score = 142.273376 500 GLQuake 201.8 FPS @400/400 GLQuake 228.2 FPS @450/450 GLQuake 243.9 FPS @500/470

Try here: http://windows98.ic.cz in VGA section. I'll probably buy 7600GS too because this 7300 have slightly less performance than my 6600GT.

Yeah, now I'm running on GF7300GT PCI-E - modified drivers 82.69 works fine. I use ZakMcKracken's version beacuse MGDX has some corrupted setup (it displayed dialog windows without text, only OK button and end with error - maybe problem is in SETUP.INI - when I replaced it by ZakMcKracken's one it installed too). I tested some games like GLQuake, Unreal T. , Unreal T. 2003 - all OK. I also compared performance to 6600GT and found that 7300GT is slightly worse. It I will upgrade then probably to 7600GT it would also work.

You are right, maybe also some chipset problem but I think that from programmer's view the PCI-E behaves same like standard PCI. Registers are accessed same way. I also have installed INF files for i945 and ICH7 so device manager should be happy. I mean removing of legacy features. There was some standards how to controll some class of HW. Now it disappeared ad new vendor-specific come. E.g. messed up #SERR - NMI routing on all new MB causing SB Live emulation doesn't work for DOS games. Or when look at VGA - nVidia have VESA VBE 3.0 which allow set refresh rate under pure dos via standard way - they removed silently this feature and still marking their VESA BIOS 3.0 but I'm not sure now if CRTC setting is mandatory for 3.0. And more... Of course, it's about interaction between driver and hardware but when HW standard is changed you have to write a new driver (because vendor doesn't write drivers for old OS) - BUT how do you write new driver when you don't have any documantation to HW?

About shutdown problem - I'm 100% sure that it's caused by nvidia drivers because when I switch to standard PCI VGA then I can shutdown properly and even reboot to dos and return back to win. Once I switch to nV drivers it hangs again. I think it is nearly impossible to patch this bug in drivers so i'm trying to find other way. It seems that last module before reset is user.exe which is also responsible to display shutdown logo.

About shutdown problem - I'm 100% sure that it's caused by nvidia drivers because when I switch to standard PCI VGA then I can shutdown properly and even reboot to dos and return back to win. Once I switch to nV drivers it hangs again.

You have quite old system with AGP where I wouldn't expect any problems. I had Abit BX133 Raid with GF4MX440 AGP and it worked perfectly under 98SE including shutdown. The problem is nowdays screwed up mobos/bioses (I mean 9xx chipsets + PCIE)

I borrowed GF7300 PCI-E yesterday so I will try it myself...

I'm most interested in what happened on shutdown/reboot not on startup... Is it possible to use some VM with 98 to trace what code/module is esponsible for restart?

So it can be installed after win98se instalation? well I check this. Of course I have already backup of windir and pgmfilez handy to restore if i mess it up by my experiments. An advantage of 2 (or more win systems - backup each other

You mean 98lite (http://www.litepc.com/)? I though it is for removing unwanted apps during installation like nLite for WinXP.

Could it be possible that it's back in DOS? This is roughly the same behaviour as you could get on an pre APM or ACPI machine running W95, without logos.sys. No, it doesn't fall back to DOS. I have working APM as I said sometimes it shutdown OK (I mean full shutdown of ATX PSU). If it hangs and I have to do reset, then I got scandisk on next start so it signalize that shutdown was not completly done. I tried various patches, I use unofficial SP but nothing helps. So I want to do my way. BTW I found that win.com is called at last of shutdown process, it also contain code for APM shutdown. But when it hangs it's BEFORE win.com executed so it doesn't shutdown. I also cannot reboot to dos from windows. When I use restart instead then win.com is never called. Probably windows doesn't try to switch back to realmode and just do reset. I need to find where's the reset sequence to insert some code before.

Hi, Since I installed W98SE on new MB with new VGA and drivers I have shutdown problem (as many others) - it hangs on shutting down screen or in text screen with blinking cursor instead shutdown. In few cases it even shutdown properly, but it's absolutely random . So I use restart + manual shutdown instead. But for some cases autoshutdown will be good to have. My idea is to make a shutdown script which will setup some flag and perform restart. I will need to put some my code at the end just BEFORE windows restarts. I need help of some programmer here who knows WHERE. I have written a simple code which can setup ICH registers to shutdown system (calling APM bios service didn't work for me when in windows). Then I will test some flag if shutdown/or reboot is required and then exec my code if needed (or skip to restart). Currently I have more simple version which have some disadvantages: system needs to reboot to dos/win98 and then shutdown. Before that computer beeps at POST and VGA fan is quite noisy before nv drivers are loaded so it's not good at night... I do it simple way: when shutdown required (I use WinOFF as timer with reboot option) I call a batch before which create some file on C:\. After reboot in autoexec.bat I perform a test if this file exists and if yes I delete it and run DOS shutdown program which finally shutdown the PC.

I'm using nvidia GF6600GT PCI-E on Asus P5LD2 (i945/ICH7R) with 775 LGA C2D. I use unofficial FW 82.69 drivers and it works well except shutdown problem (described also by other users here). I'd like to use some newer PCI-E 7xxx/8xxx gfx but seems nobody tried it. Here you can find INF for intel 9xx chipset: http://windows98.ic.cz Also winth nUSB 3.0 I have working USB 2.0 EDIT: I successfully tested that GeForce 7300GT and 7600GT PCI-E are running well with unoff. drivers 82.69. I currently own Asus EN7600GS Silent PCI-E 256MB DDR2

Does anybody successfully run PCI-E GF7xxx/8xxx witch this modded drivers? I downgraded from 7300 PCI-E to 6600GT PCI-E before this driver was released and I don't longer have 7300 so I cannot test it. But i somebody have some proven model I would like to upgrade.