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XP only monitor driver?

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I just picked up an Acer 19" widescreen LCD monitor.

I went to the website to download a monitor driver and the only one they have is for XP only.

Here's a link to the driver download page...

http://tinyurl.com/rc95z

Is there some valid reason that this is XP only, or is there some way to tweak the INF file so that it will work with windows 9x and 2000?

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sad truth about the Acer AL1916 monitor is that it is XP compatible only. read here:

http://www.thealders.net/blogs/2005/12/08/hmmmm/

this kind of monitor hates any version of win98/me and some Diamond Stealth graphics cards so find another monitor (ViewSonic monitors are wonderful and their drivers are compatible with Win98 SE).

Edited by erpdude8

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Since when were monitors "XP compatible" only? :o

As in, it won't even work under plain DOS?

The "blurring" symptom described in that link is common on LCDs connected via 15-pin analog interface, and is caused by misaligned signals (the interval for each pixel is not centered exactly within the sampling interval of the input driver, so in effect the analog signal is overlapping pixel boundaries). All LCDs with an analog input have an Image Lock or Image Phase or similar adjustment for aligning the signal properly. Also note that a bad cable can have the same effect, and some video cards don't have very stable dot clock oscillators, but the effect is much less obvious with a CRT since they don't have distinct pixels unlike LCDs.

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Maybe this monitor is adapting itself automaticaly from the signal it received from the graphic card, then kept these settings.

The w98 machine may had an old graphic card that didn't send good signal to the monitor and prevented it to adjust.

The XP machine, obviousely running on more recent hardware sent a signal that was interprretad properly by the monitor for auto-adjustment.

It's not XP or w98, it's the hardware that comes with it. Indeed there are no driver for monitor, keyborad, loudspeaker, microphone or mouse.

Maybe you would want a driver for the case? I'm sure some manufacturer have thought about that yet! :P

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It's not XP or w98, it's the hardware that comes with it. Indeed there are no driver for monitor, keyborad, loudspeaker, microphone or mouse.

Maybe you would want a driver for the case? I'm sure some manufacturer have thought about that yet! :P

well that's Acer's problem, Fredledingue! they didn't make a Win98 driver for the Acer AL1916 monitor and only made one for XP.

a driver for a computer case? pssshhh, please! seriously there are several plug 'n play monitors out there that DO require drivers that are just INF files.

Monitors don't need drivers... :blink:

But they do come with mostly useless add-on software...

UH SOME new monitors DO actually need certain monitor drivers, LLXX, especially when using HP or Dell computer monitors [yeah, hello!].

HEY I had to install a driver for the HP mx50 computer monitor on my WinME computer to make the monitor work correctly under ME.

I even had to install a WinME driver for the Dell m781p monitor on my aunt's Dell Optiplex WinME computer because WinME doesnt have built-in drivers for it and asks for them. however, WinXP does have a built-in driver for the Dell m781p plug 'n play monitor.

so I definitely beg to differ on "monitors not needing drivers" unless the Windows OS has built-in drivers for them. I know this from experience with connecting monitors to PCs.

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I recently stumbled into a monitor called Horizon 7002D, obviously manufactured for the eastern-european market, that I wanted to install properly for a friend of mine. After a painful search I found only one link in a forum post that lead me to a hungarian web page that hosted the respective driver. I manage to download the zip, somehow, and inside I found two files: an inf and a sys. :o

So I guess that's one of the (still) rare cases when monitor drivers are not simple inf files.

Don't ask me for that link, because I didn't bookmark it on this machine and Google couldn't find it anymore. :no:

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so I definitely beg to differ on "monitors not needing drivers" unless the Windows OS has built-in drivers for them. I know this from experience with connecting monitors to PCs.

and to prove my point on PC monitors needing drivers, look in the \WINDOWS\INF\ folder, regardless of Windows version. you'll see a bunch of monitor*.inf files for many PC monitors. also, try buying a Dell monitor like the M781P model or an HP MX50, MX70 or MX90 monitor and connect any of these monitors to a Win98 SE computer. Win98se will detect these monitors AND ask for their drivers. if you dont provide them, they may not work correctly without the specific drivers.

oh, to answer Drugwash's post about the Horizon 7002D monitor and its drivers, try this link (Yahoo! found it):

http://www.tici5.tvn.hu/horizon7002d.rar

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Ah, that's it! Apparently there's a third file inside, a dll. My bad, I installed it a couple of months ago and forgot the details. Anyway, so much for the "no drivers needed for monitors" theory.

I wonder how long until someone will create a driver for the Power button... :blink:

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oh, to answer Drugwash's post about the Horizon 7002D monitor and its drivers, try this link (Yahoo! found it):

http://www.tici5.tvn.hu/horizon7002d.rar

Those files just look like they're for power management features, and the INF just sets maximum resolution and specs. Totally unnecessary.

I have several video cables, where I cut the DDC lines to prevent it from "detecting" the monitor, so Windows just shows a Standard Monitor device.

Show me an example of a monitor that *requires* a separate driver (and NOT a video-card driver) and I may change my opinion. As is, I should just expect to plug any monitor into my machine and, as long as I set the video card's refresh rate and resolution within its specs, it should work perfectly fine (maybe with some adjustments needed, such as the Image Lock I mentioned earlier on LCDs). So far my experience has agreed with this.

Indeed there are no driver for monitor, keyborad, loudspeaker, microphone or mouse.
... drivers *are* needed for the keyboard (i8042-something under 9x) and mouse (mouse.drv). Speakers and microphones... sound card drivers would handle those.

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Well, it depends on the meaning of "required"...

A month or so ago, my neighbor came to me, desperate, saying he needed a monitor as his 15" IBM G54 started acting up - gone blank upon restart (that was an old issue we were expecting). I gave him my spare 15" Escort (LiteOn brand, apparently). He came back saying the image is desynchronized and he can't get it back to normal, so I went over and realized the videocard settings were giving a 85Hz vertical frequency, while my monitor could only accept 70 at most.

Well, his XP had no driver for my monitor, I had no XP driver for it (could barely find a 98 one for my needs), couldn't get on the Internet to search for one and also couldn't change any display settings in safe mode (dunno why). So I would call this a case where a monitor driver was desperately required, as well as the ability for the OS to recognize the monitor and install the driver automatically.

He ended up moving his huge and heavy 21" Nokia 445 monitor from his other machine and connecting it to the problematic one. Not to mention that XP did have the correct driver for it, but it failed to automatically recognize it, so a manual setup had to be done.

Basically, a monitor driver would only be required to cap the maximum resolution and vertical refresh rate, so that accidents wouldn't happen (operating a monitor with a refresh rate - vertical, horizontal or both - higher than supported will eventually fry it).

That's true at least for CRT monitors; LCDs are based on a different technology that I don't know, so I can't say what the risks are, if any.

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That's true at least for CRT monitors; LCDs are based on a different technology that I don't know, so I can't say what the risks are, if any.
LCDs either don't display anything at all on the older models, or a message similar to "Signal out of range" if run outside of spec.

85Hz refresh isn't supported by many monitors, it's best to use ~70 or even 60Hz when switching between monitors (the flickering is bad, but better than seeing nothing or a scrambled image.)

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oh, to answer Drugwash's post about the Horizon 7002D monitor and its drivers, try this link (Yahoo! found it):

http://www.tici5.tvn.hu/horizon7002d.rar

Those files just look like they're for power management features, and the INF just sets maximum resolution and specs. Totally unnecessary.

Those DLL and SYS files are for WinNT/2K/XP only as they contain dependecies to WIN32K.SYS, VIDEOPRT.SYS, NTOSKRNL.EXE and HAL.DLL.

EnTech website: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/index.shtm looks interesting - the INF file was written using PowerStrip 3.0.

PowerStrip seems to be interesting driver, version 3.7 supports many OSes and chipsets, but it is also expensive. Supported OSes include:

OS support:

Windows 95

Windows NT 4.0

Windows 98

Windows Millennium

Windows 2000

Windows XP

Windows Server 2003

Windows Server 2003 x64

Windows XP 2003 x64

Windows Vista

Supported chipsets are:

The following may work but are NOT supported:

- ISA and VL-bus graphics cards
- mobile and integrated graphics controllers
- 16-versions of Windows with or without Win32s
- generic 16-color 640x480 VGA configurations
- graphics cards not explicitly listed below

The following features and functions are supported
with different graphics chipset families:

Chipset Timing Gamma Clocks Notes
#9 T2R Yes Yes Yes None
#9 T2R4 Yes Yes Yes None
Banshee Yes Yes Yes None
Blade3D Yes Yes Yes None
BladeXP Yes Yes Yes None
Chrome20 Yes Yes Yes None
CL543x Yes No Yes None
CL544x Yes No Yes None
CL546x Yes Yes Yes None
CL5480 Yes Yes Yes None
DeltaChrome Yes Yes Yes None
ET6000 Yes No Yes None
ET6100 Yes No Yes None
G100 Yes Yes Yes None
G200 Yes Yes Yes None
G400 Yes* Yes* Yes *Primary only
G450 Yes* Yes* Yes *Primary only
G550 Yes* Yes* Yes *Primary only
GammaChrome Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce2 Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce3 Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce2MX Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
GeForce4MX Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce4 Yes Yes Yes None
GeForceFX Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce6 Yes Yes Yes None
GeForce7 Yes Yes Yes None
i740 Yes Yes No None
i752 Yes Yes No None
i81x Yes Yes No None
i8x5 Yes Yes No None
i9x5 Yes Yes No None
Kyro Yes Yes Yes* *Write-only
KyroII Yes Yes Yes* *Write-only
Mach64 No Yes Yes None
MGA-2064 Yes Yes Yes None
MGA-2164 Yes Yes Yes None
Mystique Yes Yes Yes None
Parhelia Yes Yes* Yes *Write-only
Parhelia-LX Yes Yes* Yes *Write-only
Permedia Yes* Yes Yes* *Write-only
Permedia2 Yes* Yes Yes* *Write-only
Permedia3 Yes Yes Yes None
P9/P10 Yes Yes Yes None
P20/P25 Yes Yes Yes None
ProSavage Yes Yes Yes None
R100 Yes Yes Yes None
RV100 Yes Yes Yes None
RV200 Yes Yes Yes None
R200 Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
RV250 Yes Yes Yes None
RV280 Yes Yes Yes None
R300 Yes Yes Yes None
RV350 Yes Yes Yes None
R350 Yes Yes Yes None
RV360 Yes Yes Yes None
RV370 Yes Yes Yes None
RV380 Yes Yes Yes None
RV410 Yes Yes Yes None
RV515 Yes Yes Yes None
RV530 Yes Yes Yes None
R360 Yes Yes Yes None
R420 Yes Yes Yes None
R423 Yes Yes Yes None
R430 Yes Yes Yes None
R480 Yes Yes Yes None
R481 Yes Yes Yes None
R520 Yes Yes Yes None
R580 Yes Yes Yes None
Rage No Yes Yes None
RageII No Yes Yes None
RagePro No Yes Yes None
Rage128 Yes Yes Yes None
Riva128 Yes Yes Yes None
Savage2000 Yes Yes Yes None
Savage3D Yes Yes Yes None
Savage4 Yes Yes Yes None
SavageIX Yes Yes Yes None
SiS305 Yes Yes Yes None
SiS315 Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
SiS6326 Yes Yes Yes None
TNT/TNT2 Yes Yes Yes None
Trio Yes No Yes None
Trio/DX Yes No Yes None
Trio/GX Yes No Yes None
Trio3D Yes Yes Yes None
TrioLC2X Yes Yes Yes None
V2200 Yes Yes Yes None
ViRGE Yes No Yes None
ViRGE/DX Yes No Yes None
ViRGE/GX Yes No Yes None
ViRGE/GX2 Yes No Yes None
ViRGE/VX Yes Yes Yes None
Volari V3 Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
Volari V3XT Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
Volari V5/V8 Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only
Voodoo1 No No Yes None
Voodoo2 No No Yes None
Voodoo3 Yes Yes Yes None
Voodoo4 Yes Yes Yes None
Voodoo5 Yes Yes Yes None
Xabre Yes* Yes Yes *Primary only

Petr

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there are several plug 'n play monitors out there that DO require drivers that are just INF files.

INI or SYS files are not realy "drivers". They are settings.

That confirm what I said, there are no driver for monitors, but I agree that there some files to add in some case.

Anyway the output depends from the graphic card. Normaly special monitors should come with a graphic card.

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