Windows 98 SE: i need some patches\hotfixes...

[Joaquim]

awkduck: "It is probably something to do with your browser."

yes you have right... thank you so much for all... i was using the Brave browser..
now works... thanks for all

[FranceBB]

Chrome forces everything to be HTTPS these days even when you click on an HTTP only website it silently "upgrades" you to HTTPS, thus causing issues like in this case.

The link: http://sweetlow.orgfree.com/download/usb20_win9x.zip does exist, but when Chrome fetches it, it changes it to https://sweetlow.orgfree.com/download/usb20_win9x.zip which clearly doesn't exist.

Using Firefox the link stays the same and I'm able to download the patch.

It works like a charm. I also added the two .reg entries just to be sure. Kudos to the developers of this driver keeping Windows98 alive!  

 

 

 

[Joaquim]

i tested.. .but no luck
the card is plugin, but nothing happens.. really nothing

[awkduck]

6 hours ago, Joaquim said:

i tested.. .but no luck
the card is plugin, but nothing happens.. really nothing

Joaquim, if you are still interested in help, we may need more information than this.

Like,

-what is this "card"? (the usb drive?)

-have you installed the USB driver?

You said nothing happened when you plugged in the card; but we are talking about freezing, at boot when USB drive is still inserted.

Was that meant for a different topic?

[SweetLow]

20 hours ago, FranceBB said:

developers

Why did you use plural noun? I'm alone. 

6 hours ago, awkduck said:

but we are talking about freezing, at boot when USB drive is still inserted

Yes, I slightly confused too. Now even AI bots can follow the thread of a conversation better...

[Joaquim]

1st sorry something...

"-what is this "card"? (the usb drive?)"
it's the memory card.. SD card or MMC...
i install some drivers that seems accepted... but why don't show memory card drive, when i plug it?
the driver id is:
 

Device Description : Texas Instruments OHCI IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Hardware ID : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8032&SUBSYS_00661025&REV_00
Compatible IDs : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8032&REV_00


Device Description : Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
Hardware ID : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8033&SUBSYS_00661025&REV_00
Compatible IDs : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8033&REV_00

Device Description : Texas Instruments PCI-1250 CardBus Controller
Hardware ID : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8031&SUBSYS_00661025&REV_00
Compatible IDs : PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8031&REV_00

"have you installed the USB driver?"
YES.... and i can use flash drive(pen) and external disk.... but no SD card(like i said)

"You said nothing happened when you plugged in the card;..."
yes.. when i plug the SD card isn't recognize :(

"..but we are talking about freezing, at boot when USB drive is still inserted."

when i have the flash drive plugged, when i startup Windows 98(on slash startup screen), the startup freezes

if i have the SD card drivers installed, why the drive  isn't  showed?.. strange

Edited August 26, 2024 by Joaquim

[awkduck]

USB Freezing - For me, I'd still like to know if boot-up freezes, when you (1) boot to dos first [pendrive plugged in], (2) unplug then re-plugin the pendrive, (3) and finally boot windows with the "win" command. If it does not freeze, then it helps "more certainly" point to the issue I have been describing.

I also believe, SweetLow is waiting for an answer dealing with Dos.

If you don't know how to get MsDos only boot, there is a file C:\MSDOS.SYS. You can edit it, and under [Options] change BootGUI=1 to BootGUI=0. If it isn't there, then add it. This will boot you to Dos only. You simply type "win" (without quotes) to start Windows. You can then change it back to BootGUI=1, to re-enable loading Windows on Boot.

I don't know the full story, on the different version of the USB driver. They may all have the forced hand-off. But if not, it might be good to know which one you installed. Maybe even verify that you are actually "now" using the new USB driver (device manager). If you just right click and install from an inf file, the old driver is still probably being used (just an example scenario).

I know less about the Dos Drive Removal tool, by SweetLow. But, if indeed a duplication is causing your freezing, then you may need to install that also. Since SweetLow is already in this thread, you are lucky.

SD/MMC - I really doubt that your driver is installed. Almost all of these SD/MMC drivers, for machine 2005 and newer, use NT services. I don't think this will work in Win9x. I don't even think the registry entries are compatible (for services). I've altered the registry keys to be Win9x compliant, but the Winnt system files are not present or the Win9x system files are not compatible (with the driver files). So, I have never gotten them working. Maybe someone else has? These driver are most certainly meant for a newer version of Windows, and might not (most likely will not) retro fit.

The driver looks like it is installed because it's device name, associated to your hardware ID from the inf file, is displayed under "Device Manager". But the driver is not actually functioning. So you have the right driver for the hardware, but the wrong driver for this version of Windows. Sometimes you can get lucky; I haven't seen much luck with SD/MMC drivers. Keep in mind "Device Manager" will say this device is functioning, but it isn't doing anything. Sometimes you can even examine the installed files, listed for the device in "Device Manager", and nothing will be listed. Often times, when installing Win2k+ drivers on Win9x, the driver files do not even copy to the system. And yet, "Device manager" will say the device is functioning properly. This is because there is no fault being issued to "Device Manager" as these drivers are not configured for Win9x.

Heck, even the right drivers used with the right hardware, and version of Windows, don't always work. And they still report they are working properly.

Also keep in mind, unless your SD/MMC slot is just a SD-to-USB convertor, USB drivers do not pertain to SD/MMC devices. So SweetLow's USB driver's will not initializes the SD/MMC drive slot.

This SD/MMC issue can be frustrating. But often on these near post Win9x era machines, the Cardbus slots work with Win9x (not always). If that is the case, you can get a PCMCIA SD/MMC Card. The generic driver (for PCMCIA SDcard Adapter) that comes with Win98FE worked for me. But there is no guarantee. I've used (so far) up to a 64Gb SDcard.

FYI, on Win98FE I have the same Boot issue, with inserted pendrives. I am also using SweetLow's USB driver, but the NOWMI version that comes with it. I still have the boot freeze issue, but have been doing the work-around I mentioned earlier (only when I need USB audio). If I don't need USB audio, I've been using Grub2 to kick the BIOS drivers. I have yet to use SweetLow's Dos Drive Letter Removal tool. So, if I get a chance, I'll see if I can correct it on my machine, and then pass along the knowledge. If you beat me to it, I won't complain :)

[Joaquim]

i don't have MS-DOS drivers(maybe only the audio.. but i don't tested)...
when i press F8, when flash\pen drive is plugged, the menu is showed and i can enter on MS-DOS and no freezing....

if i write "Win", with flash\pen drive is plugged, the startup freeze too
(the caret continues blink.. but nothing happens)

yes.. maybe is the drivers of SD/MMC card or USB 2.0 ....

PS: i tested the games, but no audio..... it must be emulated or my audio drivers can have the MS-DOS audio?(i know that i can use speaker)

Edited August 27, 2024 by Joaquim

[jumper]

What model is the laptop? I might have some drivers for it.

 

[Joaquim]

acer aspire 1690. it's for XP, but i'm using 98

[awkduck]

6 hours ago, Joaquim said:

when i press F8, when flash\pen drive is plugged, the menu is showed and i can enter on MS-DOS and no freezing....

Did you unplug the pendrive, and then reinsert it, before you typed win? If you did not do this, then you have not completed the test.

When you boot to MsDos, the issue is still present. When you unplug the pendrive, you disable the issue. Then you can plug it back in, and type win. It should not freeze. Please verify that this is what you have done. If you have not, please test it and report back.

Sound in Dos? That is something totally different. For game sound, in MsDos, you will need SBEMU or VSBHDA. But they only work in Dos, not Windows.

8 hours ago, Joaquim said:

i don't have MS-DOS drivers(maybe only the audio.. but i don't tested)...

BIOS drivers are what MsDos uses to access your USB pendrive. You don't/can't install them. They are part of your BIOS, and MsDos uses BIOS drivers. When you boot MsDos, it uses these drivers to access the Disks and Harddrives. When you boot Windows 98SE, it uses MsDos to boot, before going into Windows. So the BIOS drivers are being used by MsDos, to access your Pendrive as a system disk (not all systems do this).

What I am asking you to do, is disable the BIOS drivers "before" loading Windows. You can do that by just unplugging then re-plugging in the pendrive, before typing win.

No matter what, you boot from MsDos. That is how Win9x works. But in MSDOS.SYS, BootGUI=1 mode, Windows is loaded right after MsDos boots. So you can not disable the BIOS pendrive driver, by unplugging it (you have no time, because Windows loads immediately after MsDos).

Do you understand? BIOS is part of your Laptop's firmware. This is why some newer machines, that have no BIOS/or lack a full BIOS, cannot boot MsDos/Dos (only in a virtual machine). MsDos uses your Laptop's built in BIOS, to access the hardware.

[SweetLow]

On 8/27/2024 at 2:33 AM, awkduck said:

If you don't know how to get MsDos only boot, there is a file C:\MSDOS.SYS

Or just use boot menu "Command Prompt Only" item what I suggested few posts above. But no luck.

[Joaquim]

tested: i enter on MS-DOS and  execute 'win' after plugged the flash drive..... freezes

[awkduck]

14 hours ago, Joaquim said:

tested: i enter on MS-DOS and  execute 'win' after plugged the flash drive..... freezes

You could still try SweetLow's Dos Drive Removal tool. Since it still froze, it is more likely something specific to that pendrive. Some have a fake CD image, with software for the pendrive (I haven't seen any like that, for years). That could also cause an issue.

[jumper]

On 8/27/2024 at 1:21 PM, Joaquim said:

acer aspire 1690. it's for XP, but i'm using 98

https://www.miniputer.com/Acer/Aspire_1690.html

I see now that the Firewire/1394 is built-in and not on a combo PCcard and that there are three USB ports. If you are using them for Keyboard, Mouse, and Flash drive, try uninstalling the Flash drive drivers, then reboot with the Flash drive in a hub or different port. Hopefully it will boot and you will be asked to install the drivers anew. Rebooting in that same configuration should now work.

What brand and model is the flash drive and which driver are you using?