Tihiy Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) "Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack (partially) recreated taskbar prototype. It's not a product and is for testing only. Task buttons: - Better: ungrouped icons are pixel-perfect if possible - Different: does not depend on immersive shell / shows faster - Different: no horizontal 1px padding; no drag&drop to pin to apps Thumbnails: - Better: can be rearranged with drag and drop - Different: list of windows overflows into multiple columns, not scrolling - Different: animation, Win7 design, Snap Groups / Window sharing / Toolbar design Alpha Milestone 1 limitations: - No multi-monitor taskbars - No perks (centered, segmented ex.) - Still totally depends on classic taskbar code Those to be researched later. Expect major degradations or never shipping at all. Please stay strictly on topic. Do regression testing (compare with existing classic taskbar) Judgment Day: http://startisback.com/T2.exe Edited June 2 by Tihiy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 (edited) Functionality checklist Task icons Enumeration of existing; adding, removing classic/uwp apps; AppID, title, icon task update reflection Virtual desktop filter toggling / switching Enumeration of existing pins; pinning via other UI; pinning via drag & drop; unpinning from other UI, jumplist, if shortcut deleted; policy preventing pinned apps Reordering by dragging: single / multiple rows Click to activate/minimize; combined button click shows thumbnails Ctrl+clicking group or LastActiveClick registry key switches between combined button tasks Shift+clicking button or middle-clicking launches new app instance; ctrl+shift+clicking group launches elevated app elevated Right-click, dragout: show jump list Shift+right-click: window system menu or shortcut context menu Layout: all combinations Different icon size / padding / screen DPI / metrics Vertical / horizontal layout on different screen edges Multiple horizontal rows: filling each visible row with maximum density Different visible / total rows: scrolling and scrollbar position Combined/auto-combined/uncombined behavior Task list extensibility Overlay icons + badges on uwp apps: grouped/grouped Progress bar: paused/error/normal/indeterminate; grouped/ungrouped Window flashing: depends on caret blinking speed Custom windows added or removed to list; alternate activation windows (Office < 2013?) Thumbnails Thumbnails are shown after ExtendedUIHoverTime (default hover time) Thumbnails are used when there are less than NumThumbnails (16) tasks Thumbnails are sized according to display aspect ratio no bigger than MaxThumbSizePx (200) Hover thumbnails should close if any key is pressed Click to activate window; press-and-move to rearrange Right-click for system menu Close with red button or middle-button click Window tabs (IE? VMWare?): active tab, tab order/switching/thumbnails Thumbnail toolbars: lot of rarely used behaviors; special media toolbars for UWP apps Snap groups: activation, closing, group context menu Window sharing (webex/Teams): not for groups or tabs Hover for Aero Peek: shows if DisablePreviewWindow(0) is not 0 after ThumbnailLivePreviewHoverTime(250) initial hover Keyboard: Win+{number}: same as click with one-window button; switch between tasks while help Alt+Win+{number}: show jumplist Shift+Win+{number}: launch new apps instance Win+(Shift)+T, F6/Tab/keyboard arrows/space/enter: navigate between icons and thumbnails Accessibility: Narrator / automation Misc: Drop file over icon / thumbnail to activate window Animations: open/close, collapse/expand, hover, launch feedback, added to group, flashing, progress bar, move from icons to thumbnails Taskbar on virtual desktop switching animation (unfinished) Fullscreen classic / uwp app behavior Tooltips Edited June 2 by Tihiy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackid1993 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) Love the Terminator reference, although Back to the Future would have been appropriate too! So far my initial impression is nothing obvious looks broken. I'm going to run this alpha for a few days and I'll update if I run into any weird regressions. I have noticed that both old style deskbands and newer overlays like Networx work well! That's a big piece of functionality that keeps me wanting the old taskbar, so I'm glad to see that works. Update 5/27: I've been rocking T2 for a few days now and what is implemented works faithfully to the Win 10 TB. I see no major degradations or differences from 3.7.9 in my own usage patterns when doing a direct comparison running T2 on my Surface Laptop Studio 2 and 3.7.9 on my Windows VM I access with Parsec. This is a great first Alpha release. You are a brilliant engineer @Tihiy, thank you for working so hard to implement this functionality!! Edited May 27 by mackid1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, mackid1993 said: I have noticed that both old style deskbands and newer overlays like Networx work well! That's a big piece of functionality that keeps me wanting the old taskbar, so I'm glad to see that works. That functionality is not recreated yet and provided by existing taskbar code. Refer to checklist Edited May 25 by Tihiy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut Bara Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 i think Enpass Password Manager its taken as a Media App and the taskbar its not show correctly. but for MPC-HC and Media Player Instances is too thick i love the taskbar icon management i like it.. but for some uwp apps the icons are cutted like netflix icon. in rest is responsive, but it slow when i restart explorer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 (edited) Please respect the rules; do direct comparsion with 3.7.9 to improve feedback quality. Edited May 25 by Tihiy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut Bara Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Just now, Tihiy said: Please do direct comparsion with 3.7.9 to improve feedback quality. ok. in 3.7.9 the uwp icon looks like . Enpass app its look same than 3.7.9 maybe a bug with Enpass. in rest MPC-HC and Media Player processes different in 3.7.9 not in photo uploaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut Bara Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) does Taskbar2 does have Extension Support? I see some support in taskbar toolbars (imported from classic taskbar code) , but for IE / ActiveX Support is missing? (IDM is not working after installed SaB with Taskbar 2), It automatcly disables chrome extension and refuses to start downloading. in 3.7.9 its working with no problems. doing more research 😉 Edited May 25 by Ionut Bara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 That doesn't sound related to taskbar at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionut Bara Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) depends by extension. see Windows Explorer it has more type of extensions, but IDM uises BrowserShellObjects. some are used by Explorer, File Explorer Window, Navigation Pane, Services to run in backgorund, Taskbar Toolbars etc. idk exactly if IDM is using this for Taskbar, but its inteffering. so these are located in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects. the GUID for IDM is {0055C089-8582-441B-A0BF-17B458C2A3A8}. it has a value to run with/out Explorer with NoExplorer which is set to 1. These happen only when i try to download something using Chrome or Firefox, but its something wrong because the extension is used by IE. Restarting IDM it solve the issue. but its a bug on my system or SaB. in 3.7.9 worked correctly. Another thing which i notice is also IDM , when i restart explorer, this will not color progress anymore, where at another apps its ok. Edited May 25 by Ionut Bara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackid1993 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Hey @Tihiy, I saw a few new releases have been pushed including one on Sunday of last week looking at the code signing date. Has anything of note been added? I can't seem to spot the differences in the checklist. Regardless I've been running T2 on Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 since you've released it and I have not one complaint or regression I've spotted. It's been rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 There was an update to T2 Alpha 1 plus accessibility minus some bugs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tistou77 Posted Tuesday at 01:34 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:34 PM (edited) I tested and I like the new thing on the progress bar (progress bar just at the bottom instead of the whole) Is it possible to have the color of the accent color (color chosen in Windows) instead of green ? Edited Tuesday at 02:02 PM by tistou77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihiy Posted Tuesday at 01:53 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:53 PM 19 minutes ago, tistou77 said: Is it possible to have the color of the accent color (color chosen in Windows) instead of green ? No. Colors (green/yellow/red) indicate state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tistou77 Posted Tuesday at 02:08 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:08 PM (edited) 55 minutes ago, Tihiy said: No. Colors (green/yellow/red) indicate state. Ok thanks for info In the theme also it is not possible to change this color in msstyles, but possible to change it in the copy dialog box (blue/yellow/red among other things) I just have 2 different colors for copy And I customized the size of the thumbnail border (0px) and the cross in my theme (different from aero.msstyles) But it is T2 which sets the settings (my theme is bypassed) T2 : 3.7.10 : Possible that the custom theme takes priority ? Back to 3.7.10 in the meantime EDIT : add screen Edited Tuesday at 02:50 PM by tistou77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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