dencorso Posted July 15, 2015 Author Posted July 15, 2015 For the first time Windows 10 is available via Windows Update and eligible Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to upgrade (either via pre-order or after release) are giving permission for Windows 10 to download automatically to your PC when it is ready.Source: Why Win 10 Upgrades Automatically On Win 7 And 8.x, by Gordon Kelly Does "there's no free lunch" ring any bells? 2
rn10950 Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) For the first time Windows 10 is available via Windows Update and eligible Windows 7 and Windows 8 users who choose to upgrade (either via pre-order or after release) are giving permission for Windows 10 to download automatically to your PC when it is ready.Source: Why Win 10 Upgrades Automatically On Win 7 And 8.x, by Gordon Kelly Does "there's no free lunch" ring any bells? I do have to say, the left sidebar of that article is probably my favorite part. "'Free' Windows 10 Is A Nice But Stupid Microsoft Idea", "'Free' Windows 10 Has High Cost To Windows 7 And Windows 8 Users", "'Free' Windows 10 Upgrades Kill Priceless Windows 8 And Windows 7 Features", and my personal favorite, "'Free' Windows 10 Will Be Late And Expensive For Millions" So I guess we aren't the only ones who see the sh*tstorm approaching... Edited July 15, 2015 by rn10950 2
Kelsenellenelvian Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Then on to phase 2 when all these people realize they actually gave their precious windows 7 and 8 licenses away for the "upgrade" and they cannot go back to the systems they liked and knew. Then there will be a category 5 sh*tstorm... Edited July 15, 2015 by Kelsenellenelvian 1
NoelC Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) You all have said what I've been thinking as well. Right now people in general (outside the informed insider camp) can't believe they'd really be so devious as to force themselves into your computer after answering one prompt. Everyone assumes the best - and that the "build a better mousetrap" model is still in force. What I want to know is this: How do they keep their invasion off the tabloid news (i.e., so that the backlash doesn't happen until after the deed is done and people have already fallen through the trap door)? Is there a gargantuan payoff happening? Is everyone still so sickeningly optimistic? -Noel Edited July 15, 2015 by NoelC 1
jaclaz Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 The news are that the good MS guys, at the scope of simplifying the PUR (Product Use Rights), made it "monolythic" with "Product List" creating a monster now called "Product Terms":https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Licensing/product-licensing/products.aspx I believe that the same people (roughly 90% of the - maybe - 10% users that actually read this kind of things) that completely failed to understand the previous PUR will have now the possibility of continuing to fail to understand anything, but only after having spent some additional time. jaclaz
JorgeA Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Then on to phase 2 when all these people realize they actually gave their precious windows 7 and 8 licenses away for the "upgrade" and they cannot go back to the systems they liked and knew. Then there will be a category 5 sh*tstorm... I think that's where @dencorso's point that Microsoft will say "you agreed to it, so quitcher whining" comes into play. --JorgeA
JorgeA Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Put together the mesages of these two articles... Windows 10 is free because... Windows Phone US consumers losing interest in smartphones, but Microsoft 'delights' According to a new report from Argus Insights, following a strong holiday season, US smartphone demand in Q2 (ending June 30 2015) dropped steadily and is down 8 percent compared to June 2014. [...] "This last quarter showed a very dramatic decline in consumer interest in the available smartphones in the US, and even the latest Samsung flagship phones barely made a difference in overall excitement,” said John Feland, CEO and founder, Argus Insights. "[...] It seems at this point, with such a flagging in consumer interest, that perhaps the smartphone market has hit a saturation point". ...and the conclusion is that Microsoft ruined the Windows UI for their customer base, in order to compete in a declining market. --JorgeA 1
JorgeA Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Is the upgrade EULA even out yet? I want to read it and see if it is possible to reinstall 7 with your COA key. Not yet AFAIK, but this lifecycle policy for Windows 10 was announced today. Note that Win10 is included there, which brings up the question: if Windows 10 is "the last version of Windows," as we've been told, then what comes after support for Windows 10 ends? Unsupported Windows?? A few other disturbing implications may be discerned in the fine print: Updates are cumulative, with each update built upon all of the updates that preceded it. A device needs to install the latest update to remain supported. Updates may include new features, fixes (security and/or non-security), or a combination of both. Not all features in an update will work on all devices. A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacking current drivers, or otherwise outside of the Original Equipment Manufacturer’s (“OEM”) support period. Update availability may vary, for example by country, region, network connectivity, mobile operator (e.g., for cellular-capable devices), or hardware capabilities (including, e.g., free disk space). OK, so if I read this correctly, then if a "device needs to install the latest update to remain supported," and if Microsoft keeps adding features via Windows Update, some of which will not "work on all devices," then arguably machines will become unsupported as soon as they are offered an Update that they can't install. (Think touch support for older laptops and desktops, for example.) Since each new Update is "built upon all of the updates that preceded it," then conceivably as soon as your machine receives its first incompatible update, you're out of the update game. Bottom line: your trusty, working PC could be left without a supported version of Windows sooner than if you'd stayed on 7 or even 8.1. And if that happens, we still don't know for sure if you'll be able to roll back to your earlier OS. Interesting times lie ahead... --JorgeA 1
dencorso Posted July 18, 2015 Author Posted July 18, 2015 Not yet AFAIK, but this lifecycle policy for Windows 10 was announced today. Note that Win10 is included there, which brings up the question: if Windows 10 is "the last version of Windows," as we've been told, then what comes after support for Windows 10 ends?Ragnarok?
jaclaz Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 ... meanwhile in Cupertino .... Negative votes on Apps:http://www.macstories.net/stories/on-negative-app-store-reviews-during-betas-of-ios-and-os-x/ jaclaz
NoelC Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Re: negative App feedback... Hm, could it be that people just expect software to work, no matter what stupid process the manufacturer thinks will help them achieve their business goals without having to hire as many educated engineers or testers? Moral: Never release software that is unfinished in any way except for missing features. Most people in the world are not interested in finding failures or crashes - they're interested in shaping the future feature set! -Noel 1
NoelC Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Not yet AFAIK, but this lifecycle policy for Windows 10 was announced today. Note that Win10 is included there, which brings up the question: if Windows 10 is "the last version of Windows," as we've been told, then what comes after support for Windows 10 ends? Unsupported Windows?? Did you notice that the 10 reappeared after Windows in the WinVer dialog? -Noel
jaclaz Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Still OT , but not much:http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/29/in-a-mobile-first-world-74-of-consumers-still-buy-products-using-a-computer/ In a mobile-first world, 74% of consumers still buy products using a computer....In a world where everyone from web designers to search-engine giants like Google is telling you to deliver your websites and online experiences on mobile as a priority, it seems that the most important interaction of all is still happening on the computer. jaclaz
JorgeA Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Moral: Never release software that is unfinished in any way except for missing features. Most people in the world are not interested in finding failures or crashes - they're interested in shaping the future feature set! Wise advice. Too bad it's kids barely past adolescence who are developing Windows 10, and they already know everything important that there is to know about the world. --JorgeA 1
JorgeA Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Still OT , but not much:http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/29/in-a-mobile-first-world-74-of-consumers-still-buy-products-using-a-computer/ In a mobile-first world, 74% of consumers still buy products using a computer....In a world where everyone from web designers to search-engine giants like Google is telling you to deliver your websites and online experiences on mobile as a priority, it seems that the most important interaction of all is still happening on the computer. jaclaz Actually, I'd argue that this is not only not at all OT, but very much ON-topic. After all, it's for the sake of this mobility sh*t that they've been wrecking Windows this whole decade. Placing an order through your real computer sitting at your desk is an inherently more deliberative process than the kind of spur-of-the-moment action you'd tend to take while walking down the street or sitting at a café with your friends. If most buying is taking place at a real PC, it suggests that people are aware of the impulsive nature of mobile and have factored it into their shopping practices. Maybe the general public deserves more credit for good judgment than supporters of Metro/mobile expect and opponents fear. The question is how long it will take for the arrogant twits pushing mobile-first to catch on that desktop computing is where the real money is. It may take a couple of high-profile corporate bankruptcies for them to take the hint. --JorgeA Edited July 19, 2015 by JorgeA 2
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