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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    Posted · Edited by soggi

    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 28/45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230211 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230211 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230211 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230211 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230211 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230211 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230211 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230211 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230211 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

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    11 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

    Unfortunately, I have to vehemently disagree, especially from a linguistic point of view. Latin and Greek are languages on which German is inherently based, for almost 2000 years. Anglicisms in German, especially coming from America, are rather artificial, less than 100 years. This cannot be compared in the way you have done. However, further explanations would go beyond the scope here and are off-topic. And by the way, I have studied Latin. :)

    So you are the linguistic expert of us both, I guess. I'm on the side of natural sciences - but also with some interest for human sciences, I don't support any kind of war between the two of them (the only exception is business studies / BWL :sneaky:). As you may know notations in natural sciences are mainly based on Greek or Latin and in my opinion it's not a bad idea, else this would have been replaced decades ago.

    English and German are within the same language family (West Germanic languages) and therefor they are very near and it's really easy to adopt words and phrases. Both languages have many words with the same origin and you can often guess the meaning of a word you don't know yet. There are more similarities then with Romance languages. And yes, both took a lot of words and stuff from Latin and Greek because ancient Greece and the Roman Empire are the basis of today's Western world (including moral values and imperialism - two sides of the same coin).

    The world is a complex place and the more we interact globally, the more the (living) languages will change. Remind, there are also German words in English like kindergarten (not "children garden"), iceberg (not "ice mountain"), rucksack, Blitzkrieg (Metallica...) or Dollar (from German "Taler" -> Czech/Slovak/Slovenian "Tolar", see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar#Etymology, BTW I'm also very interested in numismatics [including ancient Roman coins]).

    While speaking of coins... Did you know, it was common to write "IIII" instead of "IV" on coins in medieval times?

    Somewhere I read US English is just a collection of spelling mistakes*. Remind, the USA aren't "god's own country" - they were built up by people from some/many European countries centuries ago. It's mainly English, but mixed up with other languages, so where's the problem when things bounce back to Europe?

    *finally retrieved and quoted from https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3945052.htm (great forums! :worship:):

    Quote

    English, naturally enough, is the language of England.

    "U.S. English" is either a locale-based variant or a collection of spelling mistakes.

    BTW in every message board (especially English speaking) you can abbreviate "by the way" with "BTW". ;) There are several reasons to abbreviate, f.e. back then in the early days of the Internet (especially pre-WWW) memory, space and time were a scarce resource and made it into what we call "Internet slang" today.

    Oh..."BTW" reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnfyjwChuNU (Red Hot Chili Peppers - By The Way, great band from the USA).

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    11 hours ago, RainyShadow said:

    There are too few hours in a day, too often i can't find enough time for all the things i want to do...

    But i try to catch up once in a while.

    Oh yes, same here... :rolleyes:
     

    4 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

    At school, we (my generation) learnt to avoid any abbreviation. When we did it anyway, it eventually led to bad grades. It was even so extreme that not even the German abbreviation u.s.w. or etc. was allowed. So much for "frowned upon" versus "uncommon"! :) Just a little tale from my life! :P 
    Furthermore, this is probably also a generational problem. The younger people, especially the youth, are linguistically contaminated by Anglicisms and many of them no longer really know the written German language, which inevitably leads to the increased use of abbreviations. albert.gif

    Maaahhh...school...we aren't at school here. I think at school it's the same in UK or USA. This wasn't extreme, it was (and is) correct to not use abbreviations in continuous text which will be handed to a teacher.

    The debates about Anglicisms are pointless - where are the debates about Latinisms, Grecisms, Gallizisms or Hispanisms? Language of living people is a living, developing thing, else you ride a dead horse with dead people (Latin is the most famous example). The most people who are agitating against *isms (especially Anglicisms) are using *isms day by day themselves and name words/phrases *isms which aren't. Nevertheless it's important - I think - to cherish/cultivate a language (and dialect) - there are wonderful German (dialect) words and phrases which are seldomly used, for example.
     

    4 hours ago, mina7601 said:

    Not really. I myself didn't care about PH until @Cocodile replied with that Wikipedia link, although I hope you were kidding when you said this.

    No kidding, there were at least two accs just reacting to "PH".

    kind regards
    soggi

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    Did you notice? Just write "PH" and some members who never wrote in this thread leave a message... :sneaky: :dubbio:

    BTW Porn is still on of the the things which takes most internet traffic, no matter how prudish societies are...

    11 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

    It's definitely not the negative, decadic logarithm of the concentration of hydrogen ions in a solution. :buehehe: But very funny, indeed!

    BTW I would really appreciate it, if the understanding of "pH" would increase - chemistry is a great and important subject. I had some semesters while studying chemical engineering back then.

    6 hours ago, AstroSkipper said:

    In the German language, it is rather frowned upon to abbreviate anything.

    I wouldn't say "frowned upon"...maybe uncommon is more precise!? Sometimes I also abbreviate in German, especially when I'm writing and not talking - but yes, it's more common in English.
     

    1 hour ago, Elkern 4926 said:

    Also, some days ago he come into ##palemoon on the libra channel and asked if anyone wanted to explore adding vistaxp back. I think he stayed for 3 days with no response and leave.

    Hell start's freezing? :blink:

    A cooperation would be great...but I don't believe until hell is frozen up!

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 28/45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230204 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230204 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230204 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230204 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230204 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230204 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230204 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230204 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230204 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

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    On 1/31/2023 at 7:27 PM, AstroSkipper said:

    Hi @soggi! For New Moon 28, I use the German language pack from here: https://github.com/JustOff/pale-moon-localization/releases/download/28.10.0_RC1/de.xpi which I modified myself a long time ago in terms of the dev tools. You are German like me g036.gif, therefore you are lucky and can use my already modified language pack file de-mod-content-dev.xpi. Here is the link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/99riihhfrxrju2k/de-mod-content-dev.xpi/file

    Cheers, AstroSkipper matrix.gif

    Thank you, I'll try it! :)

    On 1/31/2023 at 10:44 PM, AstroSkipper said:

    Here is a screenshot of the Web Developer menu of New Moon 28.10.6a1 (32-bit) (2023-01-19) in the German language (Web-Entwickler): 

    Web-Entwickler-Men.png

    My modified language pack is fully working, and all has been translated. BTW, New Moon 28 is my main browser under Windows XP, even in 2023. :thumbup

    Cheers, AstroSkipper matrix.gif

    This is great! NM28 is my main browser, too - I switched from NM27 a couple of years ago <- Pale Moon 26 <- Firefox ESR 52. Once again a BIG thx to @roytam1 and all others!

    BTW what is that Base64 -> Encoder, an add-on? This would be cool for fast decoding Base64 encoded attacks to my website or other stuff like Base64 encoded files included in a HTML document.
     

    On 2/2/2023 at 10:57 AM, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    So you will become like most of us here - a DOZEN web browsers installed on your computer - one for this, one for that, another for those, still another for these.

    I don't have a dozen browsers installed...just IE6 SP3, NM27 and NM28 - and actually I'm only using NM28 and I'm very confident with it. Some times there are websites which don't work, but they aren't very important and I just say "F*ck you, I don't have to visit your JS overloaded, slow and incompatible hipster website!".

    On 2/2/2023 at 12:47 PM, AstroSkipper said:

    Hello @roytam1! Even though there are members here who don't appreciate weekly updates of your browsers, I would like to thank you for your regular browser releases, the time you spend on them and your enthusiasm. You maintain so many projects with an incredible continuity that is quite impressive. New Moon 28 and Serpent are my main browsers in Windows XP. And they even work with YouTube on older computers, where 360Chrome is a total failure.

    Many thanks for that!  bravo.gif

    Double-triple-upvote-like! :thumbup
     

    19 hours ago, roytam1 said:

    you may just install chatzilla extension instead.

    Exactly what I thought, ChatZilla is a great IRC add-on!

    kind regards
    soggi

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    48 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    "Personally", I'd stick with whatever browser on Win7SP1 is based on Chromium 109 (EoS for that OS), for as long as it still meets my browsing requirements ;)

    ...

    FWIW, Mozilla Firefox still supports that OS, with no official cut-off date announced yet...

    There is also the latest Firefox ESR installed on our Win7 machine, but it is slow in comparison to Pale Moon aaaand what is much more important: the GUIs of all the modern browsers simply suck - Pale Moon still has the old/complete GUI which is extremly important to me.

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    18 hours ago, diuco said:

    Hi there! I'd like to install some browser that will work in the long term with windows 7, and i'm therefore searching if some even support windows xp and will last me longer. I've found my options are mypal, newmoon and kmeleon all based on the gecko engine, am I right? Which one is best and how are they different?

    Will these browsers age well being so niche and with few users or are there soon be bugs, incompatibilities and problems... Will they be able to keep up with ever more complex future webpages? Do the browsers get automatically updated? What languages are they available in?

    Thanks a lot.

    Personally, i would recommend to use the latest official Pale Moon on Win7, despite it doesn't support WinXP anymore. Furthermore - if XP support is important - I would recommend New Moon 28 or Serpent 52 over K-Meleon 76 as the latter shares it's basis with New Moon 27, which is behind the possibilities of NM28's basis.

    None of @roytam1's builds builds include an automatic update mechanism, you have to replace them with every release by hand.

    We will see how well they will age... It mostly depends on which websites are important for you.

    16 hours ago, mina7601 said:

    New Moon is available in English (United States), but you can install your own language, read this post to know how.

    Does it really work? The last time I wanted to use a Pale Moon lang pack in New Moon I had no success.

    kind regards
    soggi

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    6 hours ago, Reino said:

    I'm not particularly up-to-date with all the extension updates. I'm still using Polyfill 1.2.19.3 from https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill and Github for instance is still functioning fine as far as I can tell. Would it be better to start using https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/palefill-1.26.xpi? What are the main differences?

    In a Nutshell:
    github-wc-polyfill obviously is just for GitHub and GitLab - Palefill is potentially for all websites.

    So, yes it would be better to start using Palefill!

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    Posted · Edited by soggi

    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 28/45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230128 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230128 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230128 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230128 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230128 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230128 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230128 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230128 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230128 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

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    22 hours ago, anton12 said:

    Palefill Web Technologies Polifill 1.26
    By Martok
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Palefill is installed on a platform that it does not run on.
    You may want to disable/remove it,it will not function.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    When v1.26 is installed on NM28 and St52 ,
    the above warning is given.
    Is that warning to be taken seriously ?

    My impression is that it still works with NM28 and St52.

    PS:
    But as I just discoverd , v1.26  does
    no longer load from:

    https://github.com/martok/palefill/releases/tag/v1.26

    Can you confirm this ?

    PPS:    v1.26

    palefill@addons.martoks-place.de.xpi 55.46 kB · 0 downloads

     

    The DL of Martok's Palefill add-on works here as intended, but you may want to get @roytam1's version from here: https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/index.php?sort=date&order=desc. Maybe @roytam1 can tell what's the difference between Martok's and his version!? I got a blue dot with this version within the add-ons manager, which means it is for Pale Moon / New Moon and doesn't run in compatibility mode (orange dot).

    6 hours ago, johk said:

    Thanks for your replies @Mathwiz , @soggi , @AstroSkipper.

    NewMoon 28 IS compatible with XP SP2 (that is not what I was asking, well, yes, which browsers were), but which one was had the latest engine and compatible with XP SP2. If NewMoon and Serpent are the latest, then all is ok :)

    Thanks for your replies.


    P.S.: after a few days I thought my post was just ignored (reasonable, in the other hand) and I didn't receive notifications, so sorry my late reply and the noise on the thread.

    No...don't be sorry for the "noise"! :)

    New Moon 28 and Serpent 52 (not 55 - despite the higher version number, if I remember correctly) have the latest engines for WinXP (no matter if SP2 or SP3). @roytam1 can clarify that.

    kind regards
    soggi

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    10 hours ago, shelby said:

    Will you add windows NT3.1/3.5/3x in your browsers?

    BTW if you need some tools/utilities for older Windows versions (mostly Win95/WinNT4/Win98(SE)/WinME/Win2k/WinXP) or even DOS and some alternative OSes, you can have a look at my website -> https://soggi.org/misc/tools.htm.
     

    2 hours ago, dmiranda said:

    At least one is marked as so in RT's repo, and recently updated, by the look of it. I haven't used a 3.x since forever.  https://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/2023/01/greenpad-for-nt-3x-build-20230108.html

    GreenPad is a text editor (Microsoft Editor / Notepad replacement) and NOT a browser! Have you really had a look at the URL you have posted?

    kind regards
    soggi

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    18 hours ago, Ben Markson said:

    I also occasionally use this... 

    Mozilla/5.0 Windows

    This sometimes seems to negate any website 'decisions' based on UA and instead gives something more generic (and therefore compatible).

    Be careful with such bogus UAs - they are blocked on some websites, because they are used by many bad bots. Below you can see a small snippet from my .htaccess, a regexp which blocks some unusual and bogus UAs. 

    RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*(;\+|;rv:|\(Chrome\)|\(Windows.*MSIE|\[..\]|Gecko\ Fire|Mozilla\/5.*MSIE\ [2-8]|MSIE[0-9]|MSID|MSIE\ (2\.0|7\.0a1|7\.0b|(9|10).*NT\ 5|10\.6|11)|Opera\/.*rv:|rv:[0-4]\..*Firefox\/([5-9]|..)\.|rv:x\.x|(SV1|x64)(;\)|-)|X\ 107).*$ [NC,OR]

    Note that no common (valid/legit) UA is blocked!

    kind regards
    soggi

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    On 1/21/2023 at 3:49 PM, roytam1 said:

    Off-topic: while testing my GreenPad on ReactOS, I found some bugs and fixed some of them. And ReactOS twitter account mentioned me. :)

     

     

    Great!

    BTW once I followed you on Twitter but there was tooooo much anime stuff, so I unfollowed. :rolleyes:
     

    On 1/21/2023 at 11:48 PM, XPerceniol said:

    Thanx :)

    Not for that, I'm glad to be a part of the (re)distribution of @roytam1's builds! :)
     

    On 1/22/2023 at 5:01 AM, Mathwiz said:

    Unfortunately I don't know which versions of New Moon 28, if any, are compatible with SP2 of Windows XP. Perhaps @roytam1 can answer that, or you could try a "binary search:" go to http://o.rthost.win/palemoon/, download the latest NM 28, see if it works; if not, download the version halfway between the version you're using and the latest, see if it works; then depending on whether it works or not, move forward or backward halfway through the remaining list until you find the last version that works with SP2.

    All the browsers, e-mail clients and suites (except the x64 versions) should work flawlessly on WinXP SP2 - you (@johk) just have to have an eye on which SIMD extensions are required (non/SSE/SSE2)...aaaand if the CPU is supported in general (have a look at the FAQ, with a 686 [Intel Pentium Pro and AMD Athlon/Duron and higher] you should be safe). NM28 and Serpent 52 (maybe 55) should be the most compatible browsers, if I remember correctly.

    kind regards
    soggi

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    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230121 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230121 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230121 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230121 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230121 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230121 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230121 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230121 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230121 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

    kind regards
    soggi

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    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230114 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230114 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230114 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230114 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230114 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230114 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230114 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230114 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230114 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

    kind regards
    soggi

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    Sorry, forgot it in my first post in 2023: I wish all of you a happy and healthy new year! :hello:

    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20230107 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20230107 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20230107 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20230107 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20230107 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20230107 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20230107 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20230107 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20230107 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

    kind regards
    soggi

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    On 1/1/2023 at 5:37 AM, Mathwiz said:

    Yes, you have to move or copy the profile folder to its new location manually. That's why I said an advance warning would have been nice. But since it wasn't an intentional change....

    No, this is not what I would do... So I would have two copies of the same profile(s) which diverge more and more in the future, if I would copy the NM28 profiles to NM27. Or...I would have to copy the profiles always when I want to use the other version - extremely inconvenient. An advanced warning would we good in case of the separation of the profiles would be a final intended decision.

    On 1/1/2023 at 5:37 AM, Mathwiz said:

    I see what you're saying: you want to use the same profile for both, so you needed it changed back. Which @roytam1 has now done, so you're OK.

    For @RainyShadow and me, who want separate profiles, your shortcut method will work, but it's rather brittle; e.g., if I have shortcuts both in my Start menu and on my desktop, I have to change them all. (Or, I suppose they could be one-line .bat files instead of shortcuts, with the shortcuts pointing to the .bat files.) For the "default browser" issue @VistaLover mentioned, I suppose you could give the default browser the default profile, and use shortcuts (possibly along with a .bat file) to force the other browser to use its own profile - as long as you remember to redo everything if you change default browsers - and let's not even bring up what happens if you use the Open With browser extension!

    That's why @RainyShadow suggested checking another location for profiles.ini. You wouldn't have to use it, so things would still be back to normal for you, but we'd have a way to have separate default profiles even though they're back in the same folder now. The only thing is, I don't know how hard that would be to code.

    There is no other way to satisfy both sides, I think.

    So you have to change something in one line of four shortcuts (one time only, not every time you're using the other version) - this is much more easier then copying profiles whenever you want to use the other version (NM27/28). You also don't need any .bat to server your requirements. If you want to start NM27 with it's dedicated profile, click the NM27 shortcut - if you want to start NM28 with it's dedicated profile, click the NM28 shortcut. The issue @VistaLover mentioned didn't occur to me in the last years when I was using Nm27/28, as mentioned above - else I wouldn't suggest this method. In conclusion the "shortcut method" I described above is a good deal, I would think. :dubbio:

    23 hours ago, Mathwiz said:

    A few quick postscripts to this saga:

    1. First, Serpent 55 (thus presumably all UXP browsers as well: Serpent 52, NM 28, IceApe, etc.) work with Office 365's Webmail page, so that may be the easiest option for XP users. It's certainly the cheapest!
    2. Second, paying the OE Classic authors $37 wasn't the end of the story, at least for me. They did send me my license code, but when I tried to activate OE Classic, it tried to connect to the Internet, and failed. I don't know which site it's trying to connect to, but it's evidently blocked by ForcePoint (our company's Internet censorware). I have a proxy server set up to bypass ForcePoint, but naturally, OE Classic doesn't seem to honor the system proxy settings! :realmad::rolleyes: So I couldn't activate OE Classic and get rid of that damn ad in outgoing emails. I emailed the author but have yet to receive a reply. If they don't come up with a solution, I'll have to ask for a refund.
    3. I assume the purpose of OE Classic accessing the Internet is to ensure the same license code can't be used to activate more than one copy. That makes OE Classic considerably more expensive: if I need a home copy, a work copy, and a laptop copy, that's $111; quite a bit steeper than it sounded at $37! So even if they do come up with a solution for #2, I may still ask for a refund and just use #1 instead. Or I could activate it on XP but use (free) Mozilla Thunderbird for the other two PCs.

    OK, so OE Classic isn't a good replacement for Outlook Express... <_<

     

    5 hours ago, shelby said:

    Is there a chance to make browsers for nt/9x windows?

    There are browsers for Win9x/NT4, actually:

    - K-Meleon 1.5.4 (2022/12/08)
    - RetroZilla 2.2 (2022/12/08)
    - RZ browser 2.2 (2022/12/08)

    "RetroZilla" is a suite (like SeaMonkey), "RZ browser" is just the browser. Of course, their engine (especially when it comes to JavaScript) is aged, but they support TLS 1.2. They are available via @roytam1's blog (https://rtfreesoft.blogspot.com/) or via my website (authorized mirror, https://soggi.org/misc/tools.htm).

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    Posted · Edited by soggi

    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20221231 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20221231 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20221231 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20221231 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20221231 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20221231 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20221231 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20221231 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20221231 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

    -------------------------------------------

    13 hours ago, RainyShadow said:

    Sorry if i wasn't clear enough, i didn't mean to 

    I want to prevent this.

    What i would like is for both browsers to not interfere with each other, to behave like really separate browsers. 

    The issue until now was that they share the profile index file profiles.ini - whichever profile is set as default in there loads regardless if you started NM27 or NM28. 

    I mostly use NM27, and start NM28 only to test something, if i have an issue with some site, or if i want to quickly check a page and close the browser (here both NM27 and Serpent52 have over 150 tabs and start pretty slowly). 

    The way i start NM28 is by using the -P parameter, which brings up the profile manager. This also means that i have to do the same the next time i start NM27.  If the wrong browser gets launched accidentally, it will (most likely) mess up the current default profile.

     

    Last builds fixed this by making each browser have its own profiles.ini file. Now @roytam1 says this will be reverted in the next builds (if i didn't  misunderstand something). Ugh...

     

    As i said previously, one way to have your cake and eat it would be to allow a copy of profiles.ini in the same folder as palemoon.exe to take priority over the file buried in "C:\Documents and Settings\". 

    Hopefully, Roy gets the time (and desire) to implement this.

     

    The only issue is if Palemoon is in "C:\Program Files\", on newer Windows you would need to start it as admin to let it modify that file. 

    But, since this is optional (and not needed for a single NM2x browser), you can just let the browser use the regular file in "C:\Users\".

    The small quote of my post is divorced from its context!

    You don't have to use the same profile for NM27 and NM28, you only have the choice if you want to or not - and this is what counts because some like you don't and some like me want to. It doesn't matter if both share the same profiles.ini, you can have one profile for NM27 and one for NM28, f.e.: 

    [General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=NM27
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/12345678.NM27

[Profile1]
Name=NM28
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/abcdefgh.NM28

    Now just create two shortcuts with the right targets and put them to your desktop / start menu / quick launch bar, f.e.:

    NM27's shortcut target: 

    X:\..\NewMoon27\palemoon.exe -no-remote -p NM27

    NM28's shortcut target: 

    X:\..\NewMoon28\palemoon.exe -no-remote -p NM28

    Note the two profiles named NM27 and NM28 - there is practically no chance to open the wrong profile by accident and you don't need the profile manager to start the right profile!

    Nothing offensive, I just want to help you to get these things sorted. :hello:

    I came into this profile stuff because I'm also hoarding a lot of tabs (hundreds in each profile) and sometimes need a fresh profile, especially when someone is complaining that the browser is sooooo slow. :sneaky:
     

    12 hours ago, VistaLover said:

    10 years ago or more, I used to have both Firefox 3.5.x and 4 installed, in their own "Program Files" directories of course ;), each assigned its own separate profile via the method you detailed above :) ...

    The move by Mozilla from Fx-3.5.x/3.6.x to Fx-4.0 (and higher) introduced major profile incompatibilities in a way that whenever a Fx-3.x.x profile was (even once) touched by Fx-4.0+, it became corrupted beyond repair and could no more be used by Fx-3.x.x :( ...

    Launching the browser(s) via the dedicated shortcut(s) (pointing to the right profile) worked as expected, but... when I clicked a link inside a document (Word, PDF, etc.) or e-mail, often times catastrophe would strike :} ... Depending on which Fx version was configured as the system default browser (associated with these links), Fx-4.0 would open the link in the Fx-3.x.x profile (thus corrupting it), because the plain document/e-mail links don't contain the "-no-remote -p" options... So, I had to always keep a back-up of the Fx-3.x.x profile in case s**t happened (pardon the language ;) ) ...

    Fortunately, in a later stage, I migrated to using the two different Firefox versions inside their dedicated "PortableApps.com" format (PAF) installations and had made IE9 the system browser - no "accidents" happened since, that is until Fx-3.x.x was ditched altogether and the "newer" Firefox was adopted permanently :P ...

    (Happy New Year to the frequenters of these threads :thumbup )

    I wouldn't recommend the method, if I would have had any of the problems you described. There were no corrupted profiles and open links from documents always worked like intended - open default browser with the right profile.

    BTW it's always a good idea to have a back-up!

    kind regards
    soggi

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    You don't have to pick up the right profile with each start - just create two shortcuts with the right targets and put them to your desktop / start menu / quick launch bar, f.e.: 

    target: C:\program files\NewMoon27\palemoon.exe -no-remote -p default
target: C:\program files\NewMoon28\palemoon.exe -no-remote -p default2

    So you still have a choice, but I don't see a way to circumvent different profile folders and still use the same profile in NM27 and NM28.

    kind regards
    soggi

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    18 hours ago, roytam1 said:

    It is NOT an intentional change, upstream pushed some changes that removing some PM changes which effectively/finally changed vendor name in resulting binary.

    a fix that reverts such changes is pushed to tree and will be available with old vendor name in next build.

    +1 @roytam1 :thumbup
     

    8 hours ago, RainyShadow said:

    So, after just splitting my NM27 and NM28 profiles apart, i wll have to join them together again in a single profiles.ini for the next build? 

    Honestly, i prefer the current (separate profiles) way. 

    Why not just add the new NM27 profile to the existing profiles.ini and if they have the same name just give one of them another name?

    kind regards
    soggi

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    My Browser Builds (Part 4)

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    Posted · Edited by soggi

    Sorry, a bit late due to Christmas...

    The mirror of latest ArcticFox 40, BNavigator 0.9, Firefox 45ESR, IceApe 52, IceDove 52, K-Meleon 1.5.x/74/76, MailNews 52, New Moon 26.5/27/28, RetroZilla, RZ browser and Serpent 52/55 builds by @roytam1 has been updated -> soggi.org - tools.

    changelog:
    - added latest BNavigator 0.9 20221224 build
    - added latest IceApe 52 20221224 build
    - added latest IceDove 52 20221224 build
    - added latest K-Meleon 76 20221224 build
    - added latest MailNews 52 20221224 build
    - added latest New Moon 27 20221224 builds
    - added latest New Moon 28 20221224 builds
    - added latest Serpent 52 20221224 builds
    - added latest Serpent 55 20221224 builds

    To don't lose track of things I want to update too someday...

    todo:
    - add various flash player versions
    - add FlashFix for WinXP
    - add VLC 2.2.8 (WinXP non-SSE2)
    - add polyfill addons

    -------------------------------------------

    On 12/25/2022 at 1:31 AM, Mathwiz said:

    I agree, and it's actually worse: if it's a long message, the ads aren't necessarily added to the end as a kind of mandatory signature, but instead are inserted a few lines down from the top, interrupting the flow of the text! That's completely unacceptable for anything beyond the most casual correspondence, so paying up is really mandatory.

    I had to laugh at one of the limitations: The spelling checker checks the first word only! What's the point of that? Might as well have just left the spelling checker disabled in the free version, if it has to be that crippled.

    OMG - even inside the most casual correspondence this is unacceptable! The first impression counts - so the check of the first word is extremely important! LOL

    On 12/25/2022 at 1:31 AM, Mathwiz said:

    I don't know if that was intentional (and a warning would've been nice so NM 27 users could move their profile folders beforehand), but it's definitely useful if one wants to use both NM 27 and NM 28 on their PC. Otherwise both NMs would try to share the same profile, which is not likely to work out well!

    Serpent 55 also uses "Moonchild" so those of us with both Serpent 52 and 55 have benefited from separate profiles since the beginning.

    I had no problems using the same profiles with NM27 and NM28 (beside some expected due to different code base). Hm... have to check if this doesn't work anymore now!? I always just replace the program folders.

    Edit:
    OK, I just tested NM27 right now and it couldn't access the profile which it's shortcut was linked to before because it now links to ..\Moonchild\Pale Moon\.. instead of ..\Moonchild Productions\Pale Moon\.. - see screenshot below.

    kind regards
    soggi

    NM27_22-12-24_Profile.png

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