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My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Addition: The above procedure may only be relevant for those who have not yet posted in this new thread; once one posts here for the first time, and according to one's own forum preferences, a "Notify me of replies" switch button should be present to the far left of the "Submit Reply" button - in the bottom of your newly composed post - turned to ON by default... -
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@S75: Welcome to the MSFN forums First thing you should ask yourself is whether you actually expect any legacy (XUL) version of the Pushbullet extension to work today; this extension relies on third-party infrastructure (secure logins to their servers, etc.) and they may have blocked old "unsupported" versions of their addon, on old "unsupported" browsers, on old "unsupported" OSes (you get my drift...) from even connecting to their service (for "security" reasons, no doubt... ). The latest version 347 of their Firefox extension is still available, but - as expected - in WebExtensions format, not compatible with New Moon 27/28, but possibly compatible with FirefoxESR 52.9.1 and Serpent 52/55: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pushbullet/versions/ In the remote possibility any XUL Pushbullet version is still functional, then CAA extension caa:addon/pushbullet/versions reveals that the latest legacy version 316 dates from Dec 28th 2015, while the last "supposedly" NM27 compatible version 179[.1-signed] dates from Feb 22nd 2015 The Tycho platform (forked from FxESR 38) on which NM27 is built doesn't support Jetpack SDK legacy extensions, and that was a decision made at the time by the Moonchild team of developers; so you can't directly install such extensions in NM27, as the browser itself warns you about... The tool pointed to by @IntMD was developed to mitigate that imposed limitation (among several others), but it does not work universally on all types of JetPack SDK extensions - don't ask me why, I'm not an XUL extension developer. Force-installing an officially unsupported extension via the aid of the MTT always carries an inherent risk of browser profile corruption! Do keep this in mind and act accordingly (i.e. back up!). Second, if the unsupported extension is force-installed (in [TEST] mode) via said tool, you have no reassurance it will function as designed... I have run some tests on my old NM27 version here, I first downloaded to disk file pushbullet-179-fx.xpi, selected it via MTT (about:addons => Moon Tester Tool 1.2.0 => Options => Select file...) and it was still impossible to install I then tried to do the same with latest legacy version 316, which claims to support Fx 38.0a1 - 49.*; since Tycho is forked from FxESR 38, we stand a fair chance of it being NM27 compatible; following the same procedure, file pushbullet-316-an+fx.xpi did manage to install successfully - but I can't vow about its usability... OT: I wrote this post with NM27 that I seldom use now (UXP forks are mostly used here) and discovered the MSFN post editor has several minor issues (absent on UXP) - but is otherwise functional... -
I don't think you can have HW gfx acceleration for in-browser HTML5 MP4 video (and certainly not HW video decoding) under XP (please someone chime in if you know otherwise ) ... HW video decoding when the Adobe Primetime CDM is being used as a h264 decoder is not possible, even on WinOSes where the WMF framework is present (Vista SP2+; the browser there has access to patented video decoders) and a compatible GPU is installed...
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iF I understood correctly, the ViewTube userscript generates direct links to Youtube video clips, which are then fed to the WMP NPAPI browser plugin; the plugin then simply invokes an instance of WMP11 loaded with the YT clip to be played back; however, WMP11 lacks native support for the formats (container and codecs) employed by YT; have you noticed ? You need to have installed an SSE-only version of K-Lite CP (or other Codec Pack) to enable WMP11 to play (at least) MP4 (h264+aac) youtube clips; is that requirement met in your setup? 45 is earlier than 48, so it won't work. @Mathwiz: The userscript variety of ViewTube will install and work in FxESR 45 if an appropriate userscript manager (legacy) extension is already installed there; what won't work in FxESR 45 (but will in Fx 48) is the WebExtension flavour of ViewTube (simply because rudimentary WE support was first introduced in Fx 48 ). Actually, many years before that! https://web.archive.org/web/20170304053612/http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download
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With respect , the maintainer of that page has already warned visitors that the original functionality of the test page is now broken, for reasons outside his control: where by "test cases" he actually means the embedded HTML5 video clips... You should move to an alternate HTML5 video playback test site, e.g. https://tekeye.uk/html/html5-video-test-page http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5 http://web.archive.org/web/20190805082454/https://www.youtube.com/html5 (currently web.archive.org is DOWN for me... )
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... And their download page states (both Free and Pro editions): ... Makes one think they have purposely excluded (omitted?) Windows Vista from their support list... It's only when one digs further and visits the dedicated product page, https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html and then scrolls close to the bottom of it, to the Technical Specification section, that one finds Windows Vista is indeed supported... Given the recent debacle about the Comodo IceDragon browser, detailed in another thread, I've started to grow weary of the System Requirements software authors put up on their sites, especially in what concerns Windows XP and Vista; for the record, ICBB to install and verify true Vista support in MTPW...
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
It's because of the recent change in the hostname; "o.rths.cf" => "o.rths.ml" -
... and I honestly hope that isn't a recent screengrab, because the Engine Version and AV+AM definitions are very outdated ; http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/defenderupdates latest Engine Version: 1.1.16400.2 latest defs version: 1.303.1880.0
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Hello again ; I have never used the Android (mobile) version of Firefox, Quantum or pre-Quantum, so can't really tell if an import HTML bookmarks feature ever existed there; however, casual on-line searching dictates that the only way to import bookmarks from a desktop (Firefox) browser version is through Mozilla Sync. I guess you can still achieve what you want - if you limit your syncing to only a transfer of Serpent 52 bookmarks to mobile Firefox - if you use Firefox ESR 52.9.x on your Windows XP desktop as a sort of man-in-the-middle; you can still keep Serpent 52.9.0 as your daily browser, but only use Firefox ESR 52.9.x (with a simple default profile, without extensions) when you want to transfer bookmarks... Transferring Serpent 52's bookmarks to FirefoxESR 52 should be a trivial and straightforward process; I think both the HTML and JSON formats are supported (export to HTML file is the obvious route, but you can also create a bookmarks back-up file in JSON format, which can then be loaded/restored in FirefoxESR 52). Once you have successfully migrated your Serpent 52 bookmarks to FxESR 52, you can then use your Firefox Account credentials to log-in to Mozilla Sync, and then selectively sync the bookmarks present there with your Android Firefox version on your phone/tablet - should work! Of course, you are at the mercy of Mozilla, as I suspect at some time not far away they'll disconnect old & unsupported versions of the Firefox browser from their Sync servers... Greetings -
Of course @burd is the one to clarify things, but I've seen this orange colouring of the MSE tray icon (in my sister's Win7 x64 laptop) when a System (quick) Scan hasn't been performed for a certain while - in an otherwise fully updated MSE installation; manually initiating the scan and after its successful completion, the icon colour should return to green (barring any issues found) ... Not very surprising if that is just a remnant of a prior Dropbox installation, at a time when the OS was still supported; for a brief period after the end of official support, the following post by @WinClient5270 was relevant: but that hack soon ceased to work ; if you look closely at the screengrab posted by @burd: you'll notice the dropbox tray icon being grey, meaning the desktop client can't connect to the service... But then I could be way-off-base... Regards For reference: https://www.dropboxforum.com/t5/Installs-integrations/When-will-Vista-no-longer-be-supported-by-Dropbox/td-p/261493
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... Commiserations . Had you taken diligent preventive measures in your OS (e.g. a reputed anti-malware/anti-virus third party suite, coupled with a responsible browsing behaviour), chances are you wouldn't have been infected - but then again, no Security Suite is foolproof... Out of curiosity, was Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) even installed and updated? Just to get this out in the clear, BORA is a ransonware with very strong encryption, so be prepared to part ways with your personal ENCRYPTED files... Slim chances do exist you can restore at least some of them, but... Every anti-malware software author has compiled at least one remove-BORA-infection tutorial on the net, this is what a simple G-search would reveal: https://www.google.com/search?q=bora+file+extension+virus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Follow your favourite one - be advised the more you use your infected computer, the less percentage of your original files you'll be able to recover (as they are being overwritten in your HD). Restoring an image back-up of your system and files (should that exist) is your safest bet - as far as I am aware, a simple System Restore (if enabled) won't "restore" personal files (like documents, e-mails, photos, etc...).
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
What one likes to do and what is actually feasible is, sadly, often quite different things... This issue has been brought up several times in the past, most recently in another XP thread: My own reply there: https://msfn.org/board/topic/180280-automatic-user-agent-spoofing-in-firefox-51/?do=findComment&comment=1171254 TL;DR: if you'd like to sync between the android version of Firefox (now in Quantum version 69?) and roytam1's Serpent 52.9.0 on a Windows [XP] PC, then it simply isn't possible anymore! You can reportedly still sync between Mobile Firefox and Firefox ESR 52.9.1 and, at least in theory, between Mobile Firefox and Serpent 55.0.0 If a mobile version of current Pale Moon 28 were officially available, you could, in theory, sync between Mobile PM28 and official Basilisk (52)/official Pale Moon 28 (desktop) - and New Moon 28; since Serpent 52.9.0 has retained support for WEs, sync between it and PM28 might only be partial ; but official mobile PM28 doesn't exist; please read these following relevant exchanges in the official PM forum: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=174199#p174199 (and the posts after that one...) https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=21179 Regards -
My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Could you clarify, please? Do you mean it doesn't launch at all under Windows XP with an SSE-only CPU, or that it doesn't offer the option to install the SSE-only flavour of the New Moon 27[9.6] browser? If it's the latter, I'm sure @i430VX will, at least, consider implementing this useful for you option in the near future; just keep in mind this is a volunteer project offered as-is and maintained during one's own spare time - not to mention managing a server to host it and the cost of the associated bandwidth... -
My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Confirmed ; here's what Web Console in Serpent 52 shows: @roytam1, could you have a look? -
Actually, I never said that; what I said was: i.e. I couldn't be sure off the top of my head whether VP9 support is present in Fx 48; I had to search about this, Implement VP9 video decoder in Firefox suggests VP9 codec support landed in Fx 28, ergo is indeed present in Firefox 48 . In any case, I've instructed you how to tell the video codec used in the clip reproduced in youtube's HTML5 embedded player; based on your report (and my search), VP8+VP9 ones should be OK; h264 (avc1) wouldn't play How one's own clips have been originally encoded and packaged (in what media container...) prior to uploading them to youtube is kind of a moot point, because once the original encodes reach yt's servers, they are being re-encoded (re-coded and/or trans-coded) to several different formats/resolutions, to be able to meet yt's dynamic streaming requirements; you can easily check this fact by using one of the several "youtube downloading" apps (e.g. the CLI youtube-dl) and see how your originally uploaded video (in a defined resolution, bitrate, container, etc) is now available in several "qualities". Google have recently (Aug 9th 2019) removed their very useful youtube/HTML5 test page, http://web.archive.org/web/20190805082454/https://www.youtube.com/html5 which was invaluable in troubleshooting HTML5 video playback in browsers (they've replaced it with https://www.youtube.com/supported_browsers and I suppose the reasoning behind the original's removal is that Google now only support latest versions of Firefox, Google Chrome, Edge, Opera - all these browsers had been, since long ago, passing the tests extant in that previous page with flying colours; of course, they don't care about older unsupported versions of browsers on unsupported OSes... ). As I said, the procedure outlined in the first post of this thread was tailored, tried, and known to successfully work in Firefox ESR 52, the last released for XP (but with an SSE2 capable processor); Fx 48.0.2 is not Fx ESR 52.9.1, so there might be other factors why the procedure doesn't yield the expected result in your case (???...) Perhaps some of the documented about:config prefs need to be modified for Fx 48? Some other(s) missing? ... Hard to tell; it would help if other SSE-only XP users could test and report back (to rule out it just isn't you..); @looking4awayout, would you possibly care to oblige, please...? Firefox 48 was at a peculiar spot with regards to Adobe Primetime CDM; Adobe had signaled Mozilla that their closed-source module wouldn't be able to be used on XP for its original purpose, i.e. decrypt DRM content, and that they (Adobe) would only continue its development targeting Vista onwards... The module itself had some unresolved bugs on XP machines that Adobe weren't inclined to fix; Mozilla OTOH did not have at the time a concrete plan what to do with it; they swayed between leaving it visible and enabled on XP (and Vista OEM) for MP4 decoding purposes, not downloading it by default on XP, hiding it completely on XP (just like they did with WidevineCDM) etc... So, as to what extent was/is AP CDM supposed to work in Fx 48, I can't honestly be sure... The module was at one stage upgraded from version 15 to 17 (16 was only an interim update for 64-bit Firefox), and then EOL'ed in favour of WidevineCDM; v17 had lesser bugs on XP, Mozilla decided to keep it alive a bit longer, until Fx 51; Fx 52 did not come with official support, nor would it download it by default; finally, the underlying support code was completely removed from the codebase in Firefox 53.0. Pending reports from other SSE-only users, I'd speculate that your failure is caused by the CDM's inferred dependency on a SSE2 CPU; while the browser itself may be fine with just SSE, the module might be needing SSE2 instruction set to function properly... I tried to find documentation to sustain my claim, but, sadly, Adobe have now removed almost everything related to the CDM ("help.adobe.com/en_US/primetime/drm/HTML5_CDM" now redirects to a recent page ); I stumbled upon a blog article by some Russian guy, https://weekly-geekly.github.io/articles/373803/index.html it's quite long, but inside it there's this part ... which I interpreted to mean: "set this pref to false, unless you have an SSE2 CPU and the Adobe Primetime CDM installed" ; so my bet is on Primetime requiring SSE2... It's quite a long shot, but perhaps you might try the previous version of the module, version 15, accessed via https://cdmdownload.adobe.com/firefox/win/x86/primetime_gmp_win_x86_gmc_30527.1.zip (if it doesn't need SSE2, then you might have a chance...) You are not left without other options ; several members here on SSE-only processors use @roytam1's Firefox ESR 45.x.x fork (but I'm not sure whether he has modded it for h264 support under XP) and New Moon 27-SSE; the latter does indeed come with h264+aac support, courtesy of custom LAV files you have to download separately and place inside NM27's main folder - just be sure to download the SSE-only flavour of the LAV .dlls (and I'm sure you know already, but security-wise, official Firefox ESR 45.9.0 is more secure than Firefox 48.0.2 ). Hope I've helped a little...
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This assumption couldn't be more wrong... Youtube (i.e. Google) employ a variety of streaming methodologies and combinations of video+audio codecs, there's not a one-size-fits-all philosophy here... The older VP8 video codec is natively supported in Firefox, so is the newer VP9, but I'm unsure about its support in Fx 48 that you're using ; Firefox also supports natively the very widely used h264 (AVC1) video codec, but only on Vista SP2 (with platform update supplement); h264 support in Firefox implies Windows Media Foundation (WMF) framework, an OS feature absent in XP; the use of Adobe Primetime CDM in Firefox under XP is meant exactly to mitigate this missing OS feature, since the CDM comes with its own h264 decoder, which the browser can then use to decode unencrypted MP4 video... Right-clicking the Youtube embedded HTML5 player and then choosing "Stats for nerds" will tell you what codecs are being used in the streamed video; Additionally, MPEG-DASH streaming in Youtube (notably the high resolutions) requires the browser to support Media Sourse Extensions (MSE), but not all Youtube videos use that, some use the older "progressive download" type of streams; OTOH, live Youtube streams (may) use AppleHLS streams; so no, if one clip plays, it's not a given all the rest would also play... @vipejc is correct; YouTube have completely killed their Flash embedded player; I suspect those "older" clips that do play are in the older VP8 codec, supported natively in Firefox... If you head to about:addons/plugins (and even about:plugins), can you spot an entry for the Adobe Primetime CDM? if yes, is it always enabled? If there isn't an entry for it, something's gone awry in its proper installation... Any reason why not using Firefox ESR 52.9.1 (on which the procedure is known to work)?
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... More rather a belated release to patch a vulnerability made public in September! https://borncity.com/win/2019/10/03/internet-explorer-cumulative-update-kb4524135-10-03-2019/ I'd still look out in the Catalog come next Patch Tuesday (Oct 8th 2019) for a newer IE9 cumulative update...
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VistaLover replied to Dave-H's topic in Pinned Topics regarding Windows XP
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... The majority are not! Both New Moon 28 (27 too?) and Serpent 52.9.0 now use the Pale Moon Sync infrastructure (not compatible with latest Mozilla Sync ); I recall official Basilisk was the last to switch to PMS (and this change was decided upstream, i.e. by MCP), because of incompatibilities between UXP and Mozilla Sync; I never use MozSync/PMS, so I might be wrong, but I believe Serpent 55.0.0/Moebius still has the Mozilla Sync functions left intact; if it's now still able to connect to Mozilla Sync servers is another matter, though ( I think Mozilla have hardened their access list (client keys) to limit connection to official Mozilla apps, only...).
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Apologies, but I don't quite get the gist of your question... The "Forget about this site" context menu entry in a history entry actually has the following functions: (... from https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/delete-browsing-search-download-history-firefox ) ============================================= Remove a single website from your history 1. Click the Library button , click History and then click the Show All History bar at the bottom to open the Library window. 2. Search for the website you want to remove from your history by typing its name in the Search History field in the top-right corner and then pressing Enter. 3. Then, in the search results, right-click on the site you want to remove, and select Forget About This Site. All history items (browsing and download history, cookies, cache, active logins, passwords, saved form data, exceptions for cookies, images, pop-ups) for that site will be removed. Finally, close the Library window. ============================================= In what way(s) do you want to modify the above functionality? Also, info about a related query: What is the difference between "Delete" & "Forget about this site" when deleting a single item in the 'History'? FWIW, if you don't want NM to store any info about specific sites you visit, there's always a NEW PRIVATE WINDOW (or New Private Tab, if you're willing to install an additional extension) ... Regards -
... It looks as though the BETA channel has lagged behind the stable release one... https://desktop.telegram.org/changelog#beta-version By visiting their official GitHub repository, https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/releases the latest stable release posted there is at version 1.8.11 (updated a mere two hours ago...) That same version can be obtained by visiting the main site: https://desktop.telegram.org/ At least on their GitHub repo, https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop#supported-systems suggests Windows XP as being still supported Though not a Telegram user, I decided to conduct some tests here, on Vista SP2 32-bit; I fetched the "portable" 1.8.10 package from GitHub, it had no issues launching: As you see, I, too, was greeted by the red header with the warning, but the behaviour of the app itself contradicts that warning, as it's automatically downloading (in the background) the update to the newer version; once I click UPDATE TELEGRAM, the app is restarted to latest version 1.8.11: Are you saying this is no longer possible under XP? In any case, if I choose to hide the red header here (by clicking the white X), this option is honoured and it isn't displayed anymore in future relaunches of the app... Generally speaking, when still running XP or Vista, it's a dead certainty that currently working software will cease to function sometime in the near (or, hopefully, not so near) future; this will soon-ish become also true for Windows 7, though I suspect the deprecation of this very popular Win OS will come much slower compared to Vista and, to a lesser extent, XP... OT: I have British and Greek friends in the UK with whom I communicate frequently ; I was under the impression DAB broadcasts used as high a bitrate as 192kbps, but employing the less efficient audio codec MP2... Anyhow, FM analog broadcast in the UK is slated for the ax... WRT Capital London: On occasion, I also like to listen to this commercial radio station (although I shouldn't really be listening from overseas... ); their public online stream is indeed abysmal, only HE-AACv1@48kbps (adequate, I guess, for mobile devices and poor laptop speakers); there's a higher quality - non public - stream of theirs at http://media-ice.musicradio.com:80/CapitalMP3 This is in high contrast to BBC Radio streams which, if inside the UK, are offered as AAC LC@320kbps Cheers
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@3dreal: Please UNINSTALL the German language pack first, restart the NM27 browser and then proceed with resetting it! The cause of the error reported is that the last official language packs for Pale Moon 27.9.4 are no longer fully compatible with latest New Moon 27.9.6 Arctic-Fox changes imported by @roytam1 (specifically, implementation of service workers in Tycho, a feature not present in the original platform maintained by MCP) introduced new strings in the about:support internal page, which are missing in official (and no longer maintained) PM27 language packs - in order for the outdated PM27 LPs to be compatible with latest NM27, they have to be updated with the missing strings! Regards -
... What makes you say that, actually? Is there an official announcement to support the claim x86 release builds are to be discontinued? FTR, 1.7.20538 is the latest STABLE release, has been out since Sept 19th, 2019; if you head to vendor's (official) download page, https://potplayer.daum.net/ both links (32-bit DOWNLOAD + 64-bit DOWNLOAD) yield version 1.7.20538 installers... This change has been documented in the latest Release Notes: As you, I don't see the reasoning behind this change ; only fairly recent CPU+GPU combinations support hardware decoding of h265/HEVC (and only on Vista SP2 +) . This, in essence, means downgrading PotPlayer ; another way to tackle this is to install (if not already) the Open Codec bundle and then, via the player's GUI, change h265/HEVC decoder to the one from ffmpeg.dll: Regards
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My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Actually, den, we haven't tried to do "that" at all ; what was in fact done, thanks to personal effort by @Mathwiz , was to simply redirect "upstream" references (links, mostly) found inside the forks' (NM+Serpent) interface from the official locations (e.g. support forums) to, as an interim solution, primarily this very MSFN thread, to be replaced in the future by a more dedicated help site, if/when @roytam1 finds personal time to set up such a facility... Those steps were taken as a stop-gap solution to deter "clueless" (this was my own personal characterisation) fork users from (accidentally?) seeking support through the official upstream channels (which is a thing known to vex immensely the upstream devs) ... What Matt A. Tobin has always asked for, from the very start, was proper rebranding of the forked browsers/applications, especially where it concerns the forks derived from the official Binary Outcast repository (i.e. from official Interlink & Borealis Navigator apps); proper rebranding entails the complete change of the "generic" fork names (currently New Moon & Serpent, citing only MCP apps), accompanied by new artwork for each fork, different to the existing "generic" fork artwork currently put in place by the upstream team... More like calling New Moon "Sophia Loren" and Serpent "Marcello Mastroianni" , with appropriate artwork changes... -
My Browser Builds (Part 1)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@Matt A. Tobin: This is the first time I have "liked" one of your posts here, and that was because no "insanity" whatsoever was contained in it, no name-calling, no other profanity, no looking down on unbranded fork users etc. I, for one, have been very careful not to call the "forks" by their upstream names, whenever I mentioned Pale Moon and/or Basilisk here (i.e. official branding), I was explicitly referring to them... Of course, the chasm that exists between this community and you, basically because of "what" was exchanged in the past (from both sides ), will be difficult to bridge, and I am still uncertain whether you have any intent yourself towards this goal... However, at least for me, future contributions like your last one, with insightful and helpful content, will be welcome! Greetings