rupert86

Sometimes the temperature sensor chip gives a great pain. Try touching the heatsink at different temperatures to know if the temp is being reported correctly or not. Another idea may be that an HDD ribbon cable may be covering the CPU fan. The problem must be managed as is. Water cooling is only an escape. Try research on your system.

Mr Mutahir, My name's Ahsan, rupert86 is the ID. Even if bugdet is not a problem, I myself like to make a cost-performance ratio. I'd recommend an AMD. Its the best cost-performance ratio. An AMD Athlon XP 2500+ w/ Asus A7N8XE-Deluxe. I don't know if you're an overclocker or not, but whenever you feel like tired of your system, just push the FSB to 200, from 166; great, you've got a 3200+. Usually Asus' boards are expensive due to all that bundled software. You may get a nicer deal at somebody else, (like Soltek SL-75FRN2-L) of course if you do not need free software (like me, I know I'd have to travel at least 3000km for a legit CD). If the budget is no real problem, you can opt for the AMD Athlon 64 3500+ for the socket 939 & Asus A8V Deluxe. Personally I think 64 bits is really no use today (for gaming etc.) except in the case that you want a Linux server. The best time to buy a 64 bits CPU would be around Feb '05, to get a Win64 OS, and PCI-Express. After all the years of repititive Win98/ME/2k/XP installation, I've come to one conclusion: MHz is to fool you. There are thousands of factors determining anything's performance, and MHz is not surely the best one. My advice: Don't go over the FSB thingy. Usually more the MHz, greater the chance of data corruption, and consequently that of process repitition. Sorry but info abt Athlon/Opteron etc would make it really very long. To prefer AMD has more reasons: Intel needs HT in order to achieve maximum performance, which means lack of support for the extremely popular OSes like Win98/ME. Simplify it man, simplify! The next is that everybody is aware that Intel's own chipsets are best for their CPUs. And due to that Intel Advanced Hub Architechture bottleneck, Intel's chipsets (e.g: 865G) takes more than thrice the time for installation than an AMD based system (e.g: even the old KM400). Also, for the Tomcat, that AMD Thunderbirds & Palominos indeed get very hot, but Thoroughbreds and Bartons are actually cooler than their Intel counterparts. Hey Alanoll, Intel themselves have released a 31 page .PDF at http://www.intel.com/design/pentium4/specupdt/30235203.pDf about the problems in Prescott. I have it but even zipped makes it 250k, so I can't post it here. Also, tomshardware.com says that the Pentium 4 560 (3.6 GHz) continuously approaches its 72.8 degrees C limits and crashes up. That's with the bundled cooler. Who knew Intel owuld go like that?? Since I myself use socket 370 coolers on socket 462's due to their superior performance and unfailing fans. Anyway, Intel is doomed for know, we hope it gets better. Just back for wditing: I myself am waiting for the Socket A Sempron, since it has SSE2 support, and is altogether a revamped core, and possibly unlocked multipliers.

Just back after 24hrs, but no time to RE:. Guess I'll be back in abt 7 hrs. So plz wait.

I'm new here (2nd post ). I'm newbie in hardware enthusiasm and work on a PC repair store. I've worked on some >5000 configs. Now everybody knows the problems abt Prescott etc. But people really want to fall in the hole. They want Intel, even if they have to die for it. Now my opinion is: everybody has ups & downs. Intel's been a great company (the P6 archit & impelemntation of SSE, for e.g), but now there are problems. AMD has been a bad company, but the last three years saw good products. Maybe in some time Intel would come to top, but its not now. And please for those non-respectable people, who keep saying Intel/AMD is good and everything else is crap, go and voice your opinion somewhere else. I'm starting a productive session, not a biased one. ________________________________________________ ;config.tXt ;27.06.2004 ;21:05 PST Graphic Card: Matrox Millenium G450 DualHead (32 MB DDR) Model #: G45FMDHA32DB Sr #: PBG19967 Driver version: 6.83.017 in Win98, 5.92.006 in WinXP PD version: 6.83.017 in Win98, 6.92.004 in WinXP VT version: N/A MGA Bios version: 1.4.004 Hardware rev.: 133 CPU: AMD Athlon 600 MHz (AMD K7600MTR51B) @687MHz (FSB114) Chipset: VIA Apollo KX133 (VT8731 + 82C686A) Motherboard: SL-77KV Motherboard Bios: L5 PCB ver: M5 Motherboard chipset patches: AGP GART 1.80a from VIA Hyperion 4.51v RAM: 1x Kingston 256MB KVR133X64C3/256 (@148MHz) OS: Windows 4.10.2222A & Windows XP 5.1.2600.1106 SP1a Desktop resolution and color depth: 1024x768, 32bpp DirectX version: DX9.0b, 4.09.0000.0902 in Win98, Win2000 Hard Drive: Seagate Baraccuda 7200.7, ST380011A; firmware v3.06 SCSI card type: NIL Sound card and driver version: Integrated VIA AC'97, drv v5.40a in Win98/WinXP Hardware rev.: 032 Monitor brand: Philips 105S2 CD-ROM Drive (make/model): Asus S520/A, firmware rev. 2.0L Network card: NIL Fax MODEM: Amigo AMI-2019E, (also called AM HW 3056) (PCI slot 3 of 5) Driver Version: 3.37 Hardware revision: 001 IRQ settings and other devices: ----------------------- Ahsan Zaheer Shaikh Student H.S.C.-II Adamjee Govt. Science College, Karachi.

Try upping to latest BIOS. Also, some of the intake fans installed at the front just do nothing except circulating the air. That's a five year old research by AMD. Hence these fans ADD up to the heat (their motors are running too). Try unplugging each of the fan and then checking the temp. Also, if you;ve maintained the airflow using fans, no space should be left for intake (e.g drive bay covers). ____________________________________________________ ;config.tXt ;27.06.2004 ;21:05 PST Graphic Card: Matrox Millenium G450 DualHead (32 MB DDR) Model #: G45FMDHA32DB Sr #: PBG19967 Driver version: 6.83.017 in Win98, 5.92.006 in WinXP PD version: 6.83.017 in Win98, 6.92.004 in WinXP VT version: N/A MGA Bios version: 1.4.004 Hardware rev.: 133 CPU: AMD Athlon 600 MHz (AMD K7600MTR51B) @687MHz (FSB114) Chipset: VIA Apollo KX133 (VT8731 + 82C686A) Motherboard: SL-77KV Motherboard Bios: L5 PCB ver: M5 Motherboard chipset patches: AGP GART 1.80a from VIA Hyperion 4.51v RAM: 1x Kingston 256MB KVR133X64C3/256 (@148MHz) OS: Windows 4.10.2222A & Windows XP 5.1.2600.1106 SP1a Desktop resolution and color depth: 1024x768, 32bpp DirectX version: DX9.0b, 4.09.0000.0902 in Win98, Win2000 Hard Drive: Seagate Baraccuda 7200.7, ST380011A; firmware v3.06 SCSI card type: NIL Sound card and driver version: Integrated VIA AC'97, drv v5.40a in Win98/WinXP Hardware rev.: 032 Monitor brand: Philips 105S2 CD-ROM Drive (make/model): Asus S520/A, firmware rev. 2.0L Network card: NIL Fax MODEM: Amigo AMI-2019E, (also called AM HW 3056) (PCI slot 3 of 5) Driver Version: 3.37 Hardware revision: 001 IRQ settings and other devices: ----------------------- Ahsan Zaheer Shaikh Student H.S.C.-II Adamjee Govt. Science College, Karachi.