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I Have changed all the PC HDD Cables and replaced with another PSU to one with more wattage, old one had enough but to be sure. Have checked all drives (not USBs) with MHDD scan in DOS all good this took time. Tried again with Partition F on the IDE controller it still has an issue hanging at Boot to second menu with Grub4Dos but Partition D doesn't have still. I have left it with Partition D for now, but prefer Partition F drive to on the IDE controller. Still I am sure there is something not correct with Partition F as Partition D has no issues with it. I used to think it may also have been 4GB USB but tried that as a normal NTFS 4k boot and again as no boot extended. And just before posting this forum it was FAT32 that I tried. Seems it is Partition F hope the results may show that. And now more extensive with your Scripts used more detailed about all the drives. Have downloaded a few tools you mentioned and your scripts for TinyHexerMBR. These results are all in the archive posted here. The Archive Password I will PM to you. Drives and USBs Results.rar

Drive0 Partitions C and E So can be done while XP3 is booted Ensure all data of drive E is backed up Using a Partition Manager Delete Partition E Create a new Partition E (4K NTFS) Copy data back to Partition E

My level of understanding MBRs and PBRs is not at a level that you are at, for understanding them. Is this also referring to Disk0 or other MBRs of disks Easier for now I think for me to start with a (near factory) fresh Drive0. 1. Secure Erase Disk0 using the G.Hughes secure disk erase tool 2. Partition the Disk0 using a Partition tool to as previous Partitions C and E 3. I have ATIH standalone backups for each partition. I will also make separate RAW images of both partitions in case ATIH fails. Restoring the Disk with ATIH little use as the partition structure would also be copied. So need to use copy files mode this may mean no disk signature is then regenerated which also would be needed. Unsure if partition tools do this or command to use for a disk signature if the XP Microsoft Install Disk has to do it. Would then Disk0 system Disk partition C be able to boot or something I have missed.

I have been testing the external HDD Controller Device Silicon Image 0680 ATA Cable and more. With Drives as listed above Drive 1 D and Drive 2 F swapped by cable to drive connect not cable to Device Connection. Booting Grub4Dos now doesn't hang during booting with geometry (it doesn't show or is to fast to notice) and goes on to show Grub boot menu quickly. But now doesn't go to the payload menu. If when at Grub Boot Menu I type uuid instead of 5 partitons listed I see 6 and also 3 invalid partitions. Which I assume could be RMPrepUSB on the USB. So I deleted USB back to no Partition and created a new one Basic Logical Extended NTFS 4k and viewed with RMPrepUSB Drive info and it shows 4 partitions still but on the first has any numbers data. Boot to Grub4Dos boot menu again > type C .> uuid and the same is showing with 4 invalid partitions. MAybe MBRs or other so I have attached here in an archive of all the drives MBRs and all Drive Infos from RMPrepUSB Drive Info and UI pictures of Disk Manager, Partition Master, and Check Disk GUI showing all the drives as they are now. The archive is password which I will send to your PM inbox. As I am not sure or informed enough to know if posting MBRs contains any drive information that could be used now or in the future to target a drive with Virus or otherwise. The archive contents may give you a better insight in to the system drive layout, all drives MBR and Infos and if they are correct or any have any problems. Drives CDEF and USB G.rar

That said I have an issue first that is I have a Silicon Image HDD controller which recently I added a drive that has been not used for a while. The controller is fine without te drive but with the drive it makes Grub4Dos work strange. The drive in question is this one as listed above and here. Disk 2 Bus Number 0, Target ID 0, LUN 0 (IDE Controller) Volume F I have seen various errors and one constant error but I believe it is not the problem. #1 When boot past the Grub4DOs (first) Boot Meu to the payload menu there is a long wait. And the error then says I need add [ geometry --lba1sector (130) ] (without [ ]) to first line in the menu.lst - I guess this would need to be on the grub4dos (first) boot side menu.lst. I did try this geometry thing on first line but never committed to it in menu.lst or Grub4DOs the next command it would need. As I didn't believe what I read further or what happens if do commit it to disk. #2 When I boot to the Grub4Dos (first) Boot Menu and press C button then root to (hd2,4) which is where this drive is always at in Grub4Dos. It then gives this error. FATAL! inconsistent data read From (0x2) 0+63 FATAL! inconsistent data read From (0x2) 1+1 FATAL! inconsistent data read From (0x2) 0+63 FATAL! inconsistent data read From (0x2) 0+1 #3 If I reboot then at Grub4Dos (first) Boot Menu Press C this time I type. map --status at the bottom it will say Int13 is OFF or similar. #4 If I reboot and Grub4Dos (First) Boot Menu I press C then type. Root (hd2,4) It will shows correct the drive as NTFS (0x7) as normal If I do wait long enough a few minutes the geometry (130) thing will finally pass and will then be at the Payload Menu.lst and able to run menu choices. Today I did XP3 OS (C:) drive backup but the speed and time it took twice as long as usual. I didn't read or write to this drive but other drives these two. Disk 0 Location 0 (0) Volumes C and E Backup C Disk 1 Location 0 (0) Volume D Save Backup image to D The drive That takes forever to be seen by Grub4DOs works with speed in XP3 (UDMA5) and also on live OS and other Live discs I run from CD or DVD. I wonder if it is the controller and without the HDD connected the controller is not an issue with Grub4Dos no Geometry (130) and no long wait occurs. Any ideas !

Yes I have been trying Firadisk And Winvblock yrt to try SVBus maybe that one could work. As you say the issue at hand is that the image file trying to load will always been seen to windows as an image file emulated OS. SO reason for tools to try trick the OS into thinking that the image HDD is a real OS HDD not image but physical. So it will load and map it to C drive. As you have mentioned to windows it doesn't matter if it is on a primary or extended as long as it is physical so a signature can be valid and so will allow to load. Is it Grub4Dos at fault - Maybe I don't know further how it could be. Is it Virtual Software - Well it can run and also install windows if need be so maybe no. I do have another thought how to proceed install to the the image as would a real physical Storage drive HDD or Memory Drive types. My though is rough and so far is this. Bootable CD > Run Grub4Dos Which mounts an empty .img file And XP Install CD Then Runs the disc after first install reset Bootable CD - Run Grub4DOs Which Mounts the .img File And Mounts XP Install CD > Run the .img > Which continues to install XP OS It is rough but if works XP installed and running with correct partitioning of image and correct drive letter C: assigned in XP Windows

jaclaz> Windows NT (and conversely 2K, XP, etc.) was originally designed to work and run from a logical volume inside extended jaclaz> To map an image (i.e. not booting from a volume/partition on disk, but rather booting from a volume/partition inside the image) you will need a special driver, namely firadisk, winvblock or svbus. MAybe it should be Grub4Dos sees the HDD image as the physical HDD. Then it would be a physical disk volume/partition , same as a normal bios does. Use firadisk, winvblock or svbus so it will see the HDD image as a volume/partition a Physical HDD booting from C drive for this project. This could also get rid of the 7B errors this does make sense. Some reading to do for now Firadisk, winvblock and svbus further details for and of them and their usage in Grub4Dos for this project. Also see how a basic NTFS basic floppy disk boot will change things, I will do this first. Embedded menu.lst I did try on boot drive without a menu.lst and yes embedded works booted to the menu.lst and shows the menu nice'n'easy Lots to look at and lots to try :)

Before I start to reply from a user point of view about grub4dos the error messages while been straight to the point do not help. I mean for example [ file not found ] error but what file does the error refer to could be any file. I think a rethink about adding extra info for errors when we get them. Such as [ filename.ext file not found at line ## ] appreciate those with multi commands on one line it may not help those but if they split the line down to many it knowing which filename.ext would help them also. This is not a problem just with filename not found but for many errors more info is needed. Thanks for all the information you have written above so far, you are correct that some of the information is more advanced than the project I have at hand although I will read later when project completed and running. I am saving the page for when it changes each time for later viewing.

The above is taking me a while to understand in that where does it look and what if there are more than one menu.lst or that there can only be one menu.lst allowed on any drive. Else it may invoke that. The above maybe looking at devices locations here if "%@root%"=="(ud)" && calc *0x82A0=*0x82b9&0xff What is (ud) ?? user drive ?? 0x82A0 saved drive (current root drive) 0x82b9 UD Partition Heads and Sector per track. Real Bios Drive 0xff The whole drive How is this emedded invoked To get to a menu.lst isn't hard to do many ways and probably there is many more. find --set-root (hdx,x) find --set-root /Name.tag find --set-root uuid () uuidnumber configfile /menu.lst This is taking me away from the issue I think. I'm wondering does booting an XP3 OS image need to be rooted and mapped to (hd0,0) for it to work correct. Or can it be rooted and mapped to say (hd3,0) and still work correctly. Does it know when it is run it isn't (hd0,0) does grub4dos hep us no matter where rooted and mapped it will always be seen to XP3 OS itself as correct so it runs correctly. If so maybe grub4dos should map itself to be at the end of a SCSI line. So it is mapped far out of the way, from real the PC use we need from it, Do we need to have grub4dos mapped to (hd0,0) at boot we never have a need to go back to it. Except reboot but we don't any thing else there we need with Grub4dos use. It is the other second menu we need for use. And if we fall from that to commandline or go there pressing button c. Then we can get back to it with configfile /menu.lst I have tried to get rid of (hd0,0) so XP3 OS image can be rooted and mapped to (hd0,0). Now I. thinking to try it as is where ever it maybe be mapped and who cares just to see what happens. After all it is virtual no harm can be done. Those times it has worked I got 7B errors whether because it knows it is not at (hd0,0) or Grub4Dos. 7B from past experience Acronis TIH usually means a drive issue, controller, driver or issue relating elsewhere to HDD. Qemu Testing images that fail with grub4dos Raw images just sit there at some point during booting constant read-write but only a few kb to 1mb transferring. Other types of images will boot but once get 7B then those that worked before and those that haven't all 7B for some reason unknown. Cache retain in memory or pagefile and PC needs a reboot before they will work again. If make a new Vmware project and put any image except Raw ,img into the new machine all will boot without 7B error Makes you wonder what the 7B error is all about. Qemu is a slug and no 64bit OS will cure it not that I have 64bit hardware except Qemu. It's problem is HDD PIO mode is there a known command for it to have UDMA mode working with older Qemu before 64bit that work with XP mainly for testing images. Qemu is just R&R between testing just to see what it does. That is with the actual Vmware original and conveterted virtual XP3OS images not yet with also Grub4Dos, as I am testing with Vmware.

Yes the name.tag will have a different name for the moment I'm using name.tag all lower case (case sensitive for NTFS that is information worth knowing.) Thanks for explaining the reason why it is shown as (hd1,4) Yes I was thinking of and did try UUID but didn't work so used the name.tag for now. UUID would get and root (hd1,4) . Will try further with UUID while testing getting it to work and figuring this out. unknowing guessing would this do it ? chainloader +1 /menu.lst or this chainloader (menu.lst) OK -FLAT non-growable also would be better for pagefile.sys when using OS that is located also on the same image. VHD I think are seen as SCSI HDD in Vmware. But it would be only one file which I like as is better than having two files for the same virtual image. Information of Goal: To Test using VMware with vitual HDDs to same layout of a physical PC and mounted HDDs. Physical HDDs mounted in PC layout as written above. When it works with Vmware then. I will copy what I did in Vmware and the same for real on a Physical PC. Goal: Bare Metal Boot with physical PC hardware without any virtual Vmware or other Virtual. The same as Boot from USB but instead same physical PC but using only Physical HDD's Bare Metal Boot is booting from a physical motherboard to an OS on HDD. Or to boot from disc to OS. Or from USB and so on. Without using a Virtual machine. Detail of a Boot: Using a currently in use Primary Active Windows XP3 OS HDD C: partition that has Grub4Dos boot files on it (grldr and menu.lst) and windows edited boot.ini. When boot the PC it goes to XP Boot menu using Boot.ini where is a Grub4Dos choice to select. When Grub4Dos is chosen it will look to the menu.lst on that same partition to know what to do next. Which is to search (find --set-root /name.tag) and set root where the name tag is found. There Grub4Dos will find a configfile menu.lst and invoke that and then on screen is shown contents of that menu.lst. When choose select a choice on the menu. The menu will load that image whatever it maybe. Also it can as a normal OS interact with other drives and read-write same as would be able when booted to an OS. My Grub4Dos knowledge isn't great at more a learning stage. So is the reason I have posted asking for help to do this. As I am stuck more at second menu.lst as what to put there. Such as run image of XP3 OS but for it not to interfere or know about the current XP3 OS that is on the initial boot drive the one I can select on the boot.ini with Grub4Dos boot files (grldr and menu.lst). Though by looks of it I may have more to learn along the way as you have found some things that don't make sense.

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Normally I can boot from USB that has all the Grub4Dos files and Images on it. Also it is able to boot from PC HDD C: partition using Boot.ini menu. I am trying now to setup using the boot.ini method to Bare Metal Boot images files Boot.ini > Grub4Dos > Image Files. Reason as have no need to use USB when at PC also get away from USB write Block wearing, also no more USB Needed. I am trying to do this first using Vmware to test if this is doable then later transfer to physical PC Vmware Both drives new - growable - Mounted to IDE 0:0 and IDE 0:1 Virtual vmdk drives (made with Partition Master CD in Vmware all other partition tools I tried failed to boot a new vmdk drive). Partition Details (hd0,0) Primary NTFS 4k Active (hd1,4) Logical NTFS 4k unknown why (hd1,4) always is seen as (hd1,4) (hd0,0) boots to boot.ini when select Grub4Dos then passes over to (hd1,4) menu.lst and lists that. Drive Contents (hd0,0) ntldr (copied from physical PC XP3 OS) ntdetect.com (copied from physical PC XP3 OS) boot.ini (copied from physical PC XP3 OS) grldr menu.lst boot.ini #Contents [boot loader] timeout=480 default=c:\grldr [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect c:\grldr="Grub4Dos" Menu.lst #Contents find --set-root /Name.tag configfile /menu.lst chainloader +1 commadline (hd1,4) #Contents all files from the Grub4Dos 0.4.6a-2022-01-18.7z archive , except grldr which is on (hd0,0) does this file also need to be on (hd1,4) name.tag minixp.vmdk or .img (image type decision needed) With testing MiniXP-Flat.vmdk converted with Starwind V2V image conveter to minixp.vmdk and also to minixp.img both growable are bootable with Qemu Also minixp.vmdk in a new Vmware project Would the image file for XP3 OS that works in Virtual OS (which has been no snapshots that is normally run in Vmware as an Independant NonPersistant Drive). Of course when run with in Grub4Dos would be read-write and if need can either make read-only from the image or read-only from Grub4Dos if when needed. What is the best image file for long term use and most stable a Vmware single growable vmdk image file without descriptor (the descriptor inside with growable drives). Or Vmware -FLAT non-growable drive. Or would converting with Starwind V2V Image Converter to raw img or bin file be better. I would like to boot to the Virtual XP3 OS and be seen and be used same as would physical PC XP3 OS on drive C. But also to totally ignore physical PC XP3 Drive Partition C while in use. No software or other able to communicate with it. If it is needed I can always reboot and go to it that way. Physical PC Basic Disks - All (PATA) (IDE) (NTFS 4k) Disk 0 Location 0 (0) Volumes C and E Disk 1 Location 0 (0) Volume D Disk 2 Bus Number 0, Target ID 0, LUN 0 (IDE Controller) Volume F Disk 3 Location 0 USB Removable Flash Drive (NTFS 4k) Volume J Disk 4 Location 0 USB Removable Flash Drive (Usually NTFS 4k - ATM it is FAT32) Volume G Other USB Volumes Take H and I possibly or are DVD drives internal and external which are not installed at the moment. Drives in Vmware are just two for testing.I can if needed make more virtual drives so emulate the above physical pc if needed. #1 Virtual image type would best for Grub4Dos Virtual OS XP3 use #2 Commands the the menu.lst needed to do this. #3 Commands in the menu.lst would be better if instead of [ find --set-root=/filename ] actually target exact hdd drive and image in case of files with the same name on any other drives.

Error 987a9b5c This error comes down to CD-DVD-BD optical drive that is no longer able to write to disc can be any type of disc but not necessarily all discs. I could still write to CD but not DVD or BD. Why have such a cryptic error message that no one not on the NET can be found what the reason the error is for. Would be better served with error message that tells us what the problem is instead. For a while I could bypass the error nut ha to use other software to do so. using ImgBurn to write complete image ISO but for BD that is of no use when need to session burn ImgBurn will finalize the disc so no more data can be append data which ever way you write it image ISO or file build mode. In the end even ImgBurn started to report errors unable to verify first sectors of a new written disc. I could see the problem on write where it skipped writing first few sectors with error retry. Also test didn't work so unable to test that way to tell or test further instead wasting of discs. I don't normally use ImgBurn not for long time because it cannot do session burning. That is continue with a new session later to add more data. I'm not promoting ImgBurn either he never supported multi session disc writing which I guess would be the reason the development may have stopped as BD had been implemented and so next thing would have been for ImgBurn to be capable of multi session data writing BD discs. I tried many softwares including the evil Nero (never used since v6 where it wrote to internal firmware and broke all new drives that they shipped with Nero v6.something). I did so as was using a backup one HDD and the disc burner only. All other softwares also failed, there are many disgusting softwares out there and not many apart from one that is of any use. I won't promote as said software may go payware or otherwise. Most burning have issue not able to load session correctly of discs burnt by other softwares. Or able to load but not show. Or ability to edit any previous session even to rename any files. Many have nasty one pane layout not left folder tree and right contents of the folder and files within the folder listed there. Nearly all cannot verify the session just written only. Some will verify whole disc, many just verify some files not necessarily the newest files. Some even don't verify anything even if selected t do so. All tools I tried were small size (as possible) the non bloated types all windows freeware ones, that work with Windows XP. This written with hope that next time I have the same error and of course have forgotten about it. I can search the NET and with hope this post has by then propagated and will be easy to find when search for the error number 987a9b5c Thanks for your help the broken drive has been replaced. Back to (multi sessions) optical BD disc data storage writing, working fine with no more disc issues as written above. When restored again backup windows returned to normal. Have gathered more recent files and since have gone back to a previous older backup before the error started, Just in case the more recent system still has registry changes so not to affect the current drive (if can happen). Hope this error helps others to know what the real issue is for error 987a9b5c. As of now I cannot find and there is no mention of this error saying it is a broken drive on internet search engines.

Go to this site http://www.carrona.org/ Maybe use this page http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html or others pages there. Use your browser search for the BSOD code, to see what is causing the BSOD.

Thanks I'll try ERUNT never come across it before. I dd compare the old registry hives with repaired hives but nothing so easy to see could I see to say what the problem was. After the XP3 CD Repair-Update thankfully fixed the problem CD-Drive remains the CD-Drive with any disc inserted. Nearly all services remained as is only M$ updates and the two Wi-Fi entries I think were the ones that defaulted their settings back. The issue came about with trying many DVD Burning softwares to get one that can do basic session writing with ISO+UDF the usual Free Burning softwares are all rubbish and the one I was using AnyBurn has time bombed and the developer seems to be no longer. Time Bombed in that all versions made I have tried so far all give an error before burning and many disc have been destroyed for that where it has written something a few k and then stopped with the same error. Looks like I will have to seek out old DVD drive discs for Nero which I stopped using when Nero 6 that came with one new drive broke the drive and so also the shops were saying all other drives with the same Nero version at the time. My next drive I bought then was v7 which I I have searched and see no problem was with that or other since then. Have a new OS backup will next try that and hope the drive doesn't get broken by using it. Nero Burning Rom only that is not the bloated the rubbish they have since I think maybe v9 or v11. Why is there so many burning softwares that are useless. It is a Great Shame that LightningUK didn't continue ImgBurn or maybe he stopped because he knew everyone would be needing session writing as discs had by then already got larger 25GB. And for some reason he disliked session writing even the most basic session writing. Or maybe that he could not code for session writing ability into ImgBurn for DVD and 25GB and greater discs. If he had f done it would the only software I'm sure we would be all using for disc burning.

Safe Mode Early Start - No Problem Will Try remove software to find the problem (hit and miss if registry entry it made/changed isn't changed back or deleted). That said this way could take a long time. And maybe could fail even if have some software tracked with an uninstall software. First I will since have a recent backup of the system will try XP Install CD repair mode (second repair option). Just prepping the system that is exporting the Services settings so able to manually restore them when system is repaired. They can be exported but no ability to import them. I can not remember what else gets changed, will see soon. If only there was a free reliable that is able to 100% restore always without fail every time an easy GUI to backup the registry hives and restore them. I have tried Hirens and others but they are all awkward not straight forward as a selection list choose hives, with one button for backup and one button to restorer. That are written in code or script that doesn't rely on other code to be installed (.NET, Visual Basic, Python, Java, or others). But restore reliability is needed. Also be able to work without needing to rely on system restore which itself is not reliable. Checked again PC is clear of any SPTD or Patin Couffin drivers. I don't use them ever worst drivers I have ever encountered. Full or problems and even can BSODs system or even stop system from starting with BSODs also. Note to Developers: Many people once found these problems will from then avoid these drivers like a plague, so never will install or use software with them, unless guaranteed they won't be installed or even copied to the system at all during install. Better to have two installers one with and one without many other drivers that can be used instead. After thought; Do the repair mode then do a registry hives backup and compare them to what I have now maybe able to see the registry. Then if found restore backup and edit registry to fix the problem. If not found continue with repaired OS.

The filters in use by the drive are Upper Filters - Redbook LowerFilters - Imapi Registry location HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Enum\IDE\DVD-Drive\xxx No filters upper or lower at registry location HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318} No change after uninstalling the device and controller. I did this when first noticed the problem after checking the registry for upper and lower filters.

After Windows XP is started and view inside 'My Computer' the DVD drive is seen as normal 'CD Drive' when I insert any data disc retail or other it then changes in 'my Computer' from 'CD Drive' to 'Local Disk' and then tray popup tells me running out of space on that drive. Unknown how this has happened but guess maybe someone has come across this issue before so ask what is the solution to fix it so stays always as 'CD Drive' as was previously. Tested the disc drive itself appears to be working correctly when load PC with MiniXP (boot from a Hirens CD image on USB). Tested also using a Debian live disc. The 'CD Drive' remained as 'CD Drive' with a disc inserted I'm assuming maybe some software may have changed the registry or I did and forgotten. Or a bad driver from some software maybe installed (less likely, but maybe) My C Drive Windows weekly backups don't go far enough back (1 months) to correct the problem. Any ideas to help fix this problem !

BTW Also I set the browser opening home page to about:blank which should be blank but has a moon logo on it. How do I remove the moon logo so the home page is blank.

Security Issue Newmoon - Palemoon Win32 SSE https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-28.10.3a1.win32-git-20210220-729367b92-uxp-2b6effbf2-xpmod-sse.7z Browser is always set for no cache = 0 After using version above on a commerce site I find after closing this browser In I find in C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Local Settings\Temp these files both of the same size. Each having E-Commerce details including login and email and transactions all security related all should never happen. Not even ever a temporarily file ever to be made which can be recovered by many means inc file recover means. Please fix. 980 KB (1,004,024 bytes) clipboardcache clipboardcache-1 I cannot post these files for the same security reasons. We need a fix since most all web sites now need this browser to view sites.

32bit SSE https://o.rths.ml/palemoon/palemoon-27.9.7.win32-git-20200201-6a75a56f2-xpmod-sse.7z Palemoon Help Shows Version: 27.9.7 (32-bit) (2020-02-01) Problems Google Captcha v3 (doesn't work with v3 captcha) I think it is v3 well the latest one that mega.nz uses to get register a free 50GB account. Google drive if can take a look seems to hangs a lot cpu maxing out also never used to do that. Googledrives the ones are public without needing login. I notice also listed on your site for awhile now Palemoon-28.9.0a1 for xp but not for sse-xp. Is the same version branch planned or in the works for sse-xp is there ETA release date or month. For now would be happy to have the browser work with the problems written above for Google Captcha that mega.nz is uses and for Googledrive. BTW the browser each version still crashes on nearly every close 90% of the time. No debug no bug report to follow. As I guess you are aware of the bugs as each version code will have been tested with Newmoon - Palemoon and other browsers.

Does using exFAT improve this over FAT32 or even maybe improve the read, write speed over NTFS

Just noticed if makes a difference the report windows are the wrong way round, swap them for which window appears first. [First Debug Window] = [Second Debug Window] [Second Debug Window] = [First Debug Window] Not that it this info is needed maybe! Posted just in case it does.

Dr.Mingw debug report hope this helps find the issue. [First Debug Window] plugin-container.exe caused a Breakpoint at location 100010bc in module mozalloc.dll. Registers: eax=00000000 ebx=00000001 ecx=002a0ed3 edx=00360ea8 esi=00000000 edi=00292425 eip=100010bc esp=0451f9b8 ebp=01a6bb4c iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na po nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs=0000 efl=00000206 Call stack: 100010BC mozalloc.dll:100010BC mozalloc_abort mozalloc_abort.cpp:37 006C06AA xul.dll:006C06AA NS_DebugBreak nsdebugimpl.cpp:398 0087A63E xul.dll:0087A63E mozilla::ipc::MessageChannel::OnChannelErrorFromLink messagechannel.cpp:1589 0087A5D8 xul.dll:0087A5D8 mozilla::ipc::ProcessLink::OnChannelError messagelink.cpp:406 00863C6D xul.dll:00863C6D IPC::Channel::ChannelImpl::OnIOCompleted ipc_channel_win.cc:488 00860895 xul.dll:00860895 base::MessagePumpForIO::DoRunLoop message_pump_win.cc:463 00860E41 xul.dll:00860E41 base::MessagePumpWin::Run message_pump_win.h:78 0086B035 xul.dll:0086B035 MessageLoop::RunHandler message_loop.cc:227 0086ADFF xul.dll:0086ADFF MessageLoop::Run message_loop.cc:201 0086F213 xul.dll:0086F213 base::Thread::ThreadMain thread.cc:173 00861549 xul.dll:00861549 `anonymous namespace'::ThreadFunc platform_thread_win.cc:27 7C80B713 kernel32.dll:7C80B713 GetModuleFileNameA [Second Debug Window] palemoon.exe caused an Access Violation at location 019276a9 in module xul.dll Reading from location 00000000. Registers: eax=0012fb00 ebx=0679d801 ecx=00000001 edx=034f23fc esi=06c3b420 edi=00000000 eip=019276a9 esp=0012fad0 ebp=034be830 iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na pe nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs=0000 efl=00000202 Call stack: 019276A9 xul.dll:019276A9 mozilla::ipc::MessageChannel::Call messagechannel.cpp:848 0199EE96 xul.dll:0199EE96 mozilla::plugins::PPluginModuleParent::CallNP_Shutdown ppluginmoduleparent.cpp:385 0251A782 xul.dll:0251A782 mozilla::plugins::PluginModuleParent::NP_Shutdown pluginmoduleparent.cpp:1905 024EBB71 xul.dll:024EBB71 nsNPAPIPlugin::Shutdown nsnpapiplugin.cpp:507 0250501C xul.dll:0250501C nsPluginTag::TryUnloadPlugin nsplugintags.cpp:607 024F3CE9 xul.dll:024F3CE9 nsPluginHost::UnloadPlugins nspluginhost.cpp:679 024F0DDB xul.dll:024F0DDB nsPluginHost::Observe nspluginhost.cpp:3367 017811FF xul.dll:017811FF nsObserverList::NotifyObservers nsobserverlist.cpp:100 017812BA xul.dll:017812BA nsObserverService::NotifyObservers nsobserverservice.cpp:338 017B9EA4 xul.dll:017B9EA4 mozilla::ShutdownXPCOM xpcominit.cpp:801 02AF0003 xul.dll:02AF0003 ScopedXPCOMStartup::~ScopedXPCOMStartup nsapprunner.cpp:1105 02AF0137 xul.dll:02AF0137 mozilla::UniquePtr<ScopedXPCOMStartup,mozilla::DefaultDelete<ScopedXPCOMStartup> >::operator= uniqueptr.h:278 02AF407F xul.dll:02AF407F XREMain::XRE_main nsapprunner.cpp:3875 02AF553D xul.dll:02AF553D XRE_main nsapprunner.cpp:3922 01785874 xul.dll:01785874 nsLocalFile::Append nslocalfilewin.cpp:1410 0178142D xul.dll:0178142D mozilla::TimeStamp::ProcessCreation timestamp.cpp:68 02AD8DE7 xul.dll:02AD8DE7 mozilla::StartupTimelineRecordExternal startuptimeline.cpp:37 02AD93D1 xul.dll:02AD93D1 XRE_StartupTimelineRecord startuptimeline.cpp:66 0040196C palemoon.exe:0040196C NS_internal_main nsbrowserapp.cpp:481 00402236 palemoon.exe:00402236 wmain nswindowswmain.cpp:124 00402CF9 palemoon.exe:00402CF9 __tmainCRTStartup crt0.c:255 7C817067 kernel32.dll:7C817067 RegisterWaitForInputIdle

Is the TRIM and overprovisioning also relevant for Flash Drives as it is for SSD ? For Flash Disk I will boot Live CD_DVD that has or boots to Mini Windows 7 (circa 2015 or greater). Mini Windows 7 loaded format the Flash Disk with NTFS 4k clusters (default). Use the disk as normal deleting files as normal set not to use the recycle bin. Every now and then boot to same Live CD_DVD with Mini Windows 7 and let it sit there for 15 minutes or so. Does any Live CD_DVD that has or boots to mini Windows 7 actually have the TRIM feature so able to housekeep the deleted files correctly. I have also been booting to Knoppix 7.2 (I think this is not warez) to do the same just in case no Live CD_DVD with mini Windows 7 doesn't actually do any TRIM at all. I have been doing this for a few years now for all the Flash Drives I have. Until today reading this forum didn't know about overprovisioning or the need for it. It does make sense for a XP OS partition XP, a PageFile partition and a partition for overprovisioning. But to have it 10% or 20% seems far to large maybe 1GB I would think would suffice. That said I haven't located or read the Samsung overprovisioning white paper yet.