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We have upgraded server RAM and migrated from HDD to SSD. We apologize that MSFN was unavailable. MSFN

No problem @xper it's all good!

Over the past three days, MSFN has undergone a comprehensive and costly system upgrade. This process involved critical updates to our server environment—including MySQL, MariaDB, and PHP—as well as upgrading the core forum platform to version 5. Immediately following the upgrade, we experienced a critical hard drive failure. This forced us to replace the drive entirely and perform a complete reinstallation of the system from scratch. Due to these unforeseen hardware complications, a substantial financial investment, and a database size of approximately 6 GB, we encountered several major technical challenges. Regrettably, due to these issues, a few recent posts have been lost. Consequently, the forum has been reopened while final adjustments, primarily regarding user interface layout and widgets, remain in progress. We sincerely appreciate your patience and understanding during this transition. Thank you.

Invision Community Dropped Legacy Engine Support Modern versions of Invision Community (especially Invision 4.x and the newest Invision 5 infrastructure) are heavily built on modern JavaScript frameworks, CSS grid variants, and Progressive Web App (PWA) components. Pale Moon uses the Goanna engine (a legacy fork of Mozilla's older Gecko engine). Because Pale Moon does not natively compute or follow modern JavaScript ECMAScript standards at the same pace as Chromium or standard Firefox, interactive features on your forum will completely shatter. Features like the text editor box, notification drops, AJAX content loading, and login popups will continuously throw errors or appear blank to Pale Moon Running an Invision Community forum while catering to users on legacy or non-standard browsers like Pale Moon creates an impossible web development conflict. You should treat Pale Moon issues as an unfixable, client-side problem rather than something you need to resolve on your server. Turning features off on server to cater to one or two Pale Moon users strips security and optimization benefits away from the 99% of your community navigating via Chrome, Safari, or Firefox. I don't have time for arguing. End of discussion. You don't like it? You have other forums.

https://msfn.org/board/topic/187862-server-forum-upgrade/ What do you expect me to do? Because of old software, I had terrible problems with the server. Surely you don't expect me to develop compatibility for Pale Moon or any other browser? The development of the forum software is not in my hands. End of story. Period.

I've updated my old-fashioned youtube-dl.exe. It now includes the visionOS client information in the YouTube extractor. See this pull request. ./youtube-dl -v 6p7f7gAj4Uk [debug] System config: [] [debug] User config: ['--console-title', '--rm-cache-dir', '-i', '-o', '/dev/shm/test-ytd/%(title)s.%(ext)s', '-f', 'bestvideo[height<=1080][ext=mp4][vcodec^=avc]+bestaudio[ext=m4a]/best[ext=mp4]/best', '--no-mtime', '--embed-thumbnail', '--force-ipv4'] [debug] Custom config: [] [debug] Command-line args: ['-v', '6p7f7gAj4Uk'] [debug] Encodings: locale UTF-8, fs utf-8, out utf-8, pref UTF-8 [debug] youtube-dl version 2026.08.23 [debug] Lazy loading extractors enabled [debug] Single file build [debug] Python 3.10.12 (CPython x86_64 64bit) - Linux-5.15.0-190-generic-x86_64-with-glibc2.35 - OpenSSL 3.0.2 15 Mar 2022 - glibc 2.35 [debug] exe versions: ffmpeg N-125972-ge13b2e00e8-Nico-20260806, ffprobe N-125972-ge13b2e00e8-Nico-20260806, rtmpdump 2.4 [debug] Proxy map: {} Removing cache dir /home/nico/.cache/youtube-dl .. [youtube] 6p7f7gAj4Uk: Downloading webpage [youtube] 6p7f7gAj4Uk: Downloading VISIONOS API JSON [youtube] 6p7f7gAj4Uk: Downloading m3u8 information [youtube] 6p7f7gAj4Uk: Downloading thumbnail ... [youtube] 6p7f7gAj4Uk: Writing thumbnail to: /dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.jpg [debug] Invoking downloader on 'https://rr3---sn-u15hn5-cc.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1787486311&ei=B4yKatPKIdq6zPsP9dzOiQM&ip=<REDACTED> &id=o-AGjSrhMVDDk3_jKqNHQfGsrY2oWejYirD11QpTDBIkrK&itag=137&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&xpc=EgVo2aDSNQ%3D%3D&cps=210&met=1787464711%2C&mh=TD&mm=31%2C29&mn=sn-u15hn5-cc%2Csn-5hnekn7z&ms=au%2Crdu&mv=m&mvi=3&pl=19&rms=au%2Cau&initcwndbps=3891250&bui=AR3QkAkDt1_g3LCZjMXIxkCVc8-W0tGMIM_6sBK3NGAHf4yPJIihO2KPezPDpD_afM1QFfB8P3Cxk9Oq&spc=KBGBcsMQiLFWnlI5uJk7Z82SosMcEvnZawKZsT26x_MoqDnZ46KjcPK-kA&vprv=1&svpuc=1&mime=video%2Fmp4&rqh=1&gir=yes&clen=51343758&dur=310.000&lmt=1733645440420066&mt=1787464360&fvip=5&keepalive=yes&fexp=51565116&c=VISIONOS&txp=4532434&sparams=expire%2Cei%2Cip%2Cid%2Citag%2Csource%2Crequiressl%2Cxpc%2Cbui%2Cspc%2Cvprv%2Csvpuc%2Cmime%2Crqh%2Cgir%2Cclen%2Cdur%2Clmt&sig=AE0s2JYwRQIgEWnrYi-gVj6A-TlgvUVxNIayGFITp5jJNf36jd3XAwQCIQCIrHyshicOhH93LO0Pkt1mK7ETKK5gaTIy9QKnH9ls4w%3D%3D&lsparams=cps%2Cmet%2Cmh%2Cmm%2Cmn%2Cms%2Cmv%2Cmvi%2Cpl%2Crms%2Cinitcwndbps&lsig=APaTxxMwRQIhAIbAGUIA_MNMGaiw8vyLB-91zx2F4IWiqmaFGC4b7hBbAiAm2-OG5OjJ0CY1y4haN_bumVXGOfSky3M6Rmvc4oOkDQ%3D%3D' [dashsegments] Total fragments: 5 [download] Destination: /dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.f137.mp4 [download] 100% of 48.97MiB in 00:05 [debug] Invoking downloader on 'https://rr3---sn-u15hn5-cc.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1787486311&ei=B4yKatPKIdq6zPsP9dzOiQM&ip=<REDACTED> &id=o-AGjSrhMVDDk3_jKqNHQfGsrY2oWejYirD11QpTDBIkrK&itag=140&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&xpc=EgVo2aDSNQ%3D%3D&cps=210&met=1787464711%2C&mh=TD&mm=31%2C29&mn=sn-u15hn5-cc%2Csn-5hnekn7z&ms=au%2Crdu&mv=m&mvi=3&pl=19&rms=au%2Cau&initcwndbps=3891250&bui=AR3QkAkDt1_g3LCZjMXIxkCVc8-W0tGMIM_6sBK3NGAHf4yPJIihO2KPezPDpD_afM1QFfB8P3Cxk9Oq&spc=KBGBcsMQiLFWnlI5uJk7Z82SosMcEvnZawKZsT26x_MoqDnZ46KjcPK-kA&vprv=1&svpuc=1&mime=audio%2Fmp4&rqh=1&gir=yes&clen=5018775&dur=310.056&lmt=1733642532609993&mt=1787464360&fvip=5&keepalive=yes&fexp=51565116&c=VISIONOS&txp=4532434&sparams=expire%2Cei%2Cip%2Cid%2Citag%2Csource%2Crequiressl%2Cxpc%2Cbui%2Cspc%2Cvprv%2Csvpuc%2Cmime%2Crqh%2Cgir%2Cclen%2Cdur%2Clmt&sig=AE0s2JYwRQIhALLl9LTWrc7G3jETDRTX60ADlPUOzrUg4fp0VdJcojeKAiBXlb97WXpBCCIXzmqyx8TMqP6Dt5PcM6eu8AhYFi-atA%3D%3D&lsparams=cps%2Cmet%2Cmh%2Cmm%2Cmn%2Cms%2Cmv%2Cmvi%2Cpl%2Crms%2Cinitcwndbps&lsig=APaTxxMwRQIhAIbAGUIA_MNMGaiw8vyLB-91zx2F4IWiqmaFGC4b7hBbAiAm2-OG5OjJ0CY1y4haN_bumVXGOfSky3M6Rmvc4oOkDQ%3D%3D' [dashsegments] Total fragments: 1 [download] Destination: /dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.m4a.f140.m4a [download] 100% of 4.79MiB in 00:00 [ffmpeg] Merging formats into "/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.mp4" [debug] ffmpeg command line: ffmpeg -y -loglevel repeat+info -i 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.f137.mp4' -i 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.m4a.f140.m4a' -c copy -map 0:v:0 -map 1:a:0 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.temp.mp4' Deleting original file /dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.f137.mp4 (pass -k to keep) Deleting original file /dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.m4a.f140.m4a (pass -k to keep) [ffmpeg] Adding thumbnail to "/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.mp4" [debug] ffmpeg command line: ffmpeg -y -loglevel repeat+info -i 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.mp4' -i 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.jpg' -c copy -map 0 -map 1 -disposition:v:1 attached_pic 'file:/dev/shm/test-ytd/Βέβηλος _ Ακάθαρτοι συμμ. Ματούλα Ζαμάνη.temp.mp4'

Thanks @xper for all your work here to keep this place alive. ❤️

It will take few days to fix everything.

Firefox ESR 115.40 for Win XP. https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7-REWORK/releases/download/debug/firefox-115.40.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7-REWORK/releases/download/debug/firefox-115.40.0.en-US.win64.installer.exe The x64 installer does not work on XP and Vista, you need to extract the installer. Firefox 117.0a1 for Win XP. https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7-REWORK/releases/download/debug/firefox-117.0a1.en-US.win32.installer.exe https://github.com/e3kskoy7wqk/Firefox-for-windows-7-REWORK/releases/download/debug/firefox-117.0a1.en-US.win64.installer.exe The x64 installer is now working.

It cannot be completely disabled or removed. In version 151, the flag that disables AI in the address bar was removed, but you can disable it using the --disable-features=AiModeOmniboxEntryPoint Delete the files you extracted from the dwrite_xp_x86 folder in the webgl_hw_and_dwrite.zip archive.

Thanks for reminding me why I'm skipping this one, and here only out of curiosity/testings.

No freezing on Win7 in a VM is easily explainable due to the absence of hardware acceleration and GPU related rasterisation/compositing, which is the main cause of such Win7 hang-ups, when you run it in a VM - basically everything is done only on CPU, like on XP.

I can post and edit topics with links to official technical related web sites without troubles, example. https://msfn.org/board/topic/181987-list-of-software-that-doesnt-support-windows-7/?do=findComment&comment=1259497

Realm of Dread claims to require a 64-bit operating Windows 7/8/8.1 as the minimum, for me it didn't work. It didn't even start. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2159450/Realm_of_Dread/

Don't even start , I can write poems about how win7 sucks, we can go a long off-topic way. As for Supermium+Win7, win32 wrote it has "...widespread reports of freezing and instability on Windows 7". https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/230#issuecomment-1924401385

You lost me, so you do or don't use Supermium?

Better skip that one, and wait for another fix. https://github.com/win32ss/supermium/issues/228

But you check mine. Oh, that "famous" fixation on higher education ... what about my education?

I've just tried. I have zero troubles clicking on "Edit Topic" in my intro posts/topics. It allows me without any problems.

Recently @XPerceniolreported the same Forbidden issue in the below topic, several times he couldn't post with (copyright protected?) links. https://msfn.org/board/topic/182193-the-msfn-café-a-penny-for-your-thoughts/?do=findComment&comment=1259125 https://msfn.org/board/topic/182193-the-msfn-café-a-penny-for-your-thoughts/?do=findComment&comment=1259146 That said, all the links I want to attach or post, I have no troubles with doing so. I post from an unnamed Chromium browser based on v.119. (not Supermium)