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Any chance?

Not one bit. I tried forcing the 900+ unified drivers for 2K/XP on 98SE, and it just BSOD'd.

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In regards to 'fixing' driver installs...

In my experience, most of these 'checks' simply look at your Windows version.

I don't know how to manually change it, I've already asked in another post... but shouldn't that be the first step to make these work?

Editing the INF file can also release the lock under 98- as far as install executables, doesn't WDM support loading the files directly through Device Manager? You should be able to bypass the EXE files that way, and avoid most of the 'lock'.

A **lot** of the newer Intel chipsets can gain minimum functionality using an older INF version... I got a new Gigabyte board using an older INF file, and the only things missing are SATA and HD audio (both built-in)... And even then, using a W2K driver fixed the audio issue... The sound is an AC'97 based driver, with FULL HD support in FULL SURROUND. Hell, even the dinky little environment program loads and runs properly.

With DX8 or higher installed, **all** the HD audio functions work flawlessly. You read that right. F L A W L E S S ! !

At this point, you might get stuck on no SATA support... well, who gives a ****? You heard right, it doesn't matter! As long as you don't use a RAID setup on the drives, they still work flawlessly under 98. You see, the BIOS has 'legacy' support. Enabled, it allows all the SATA drives to be seen under 98SE as standard IDE drives.

Please don't get TOO excited, though. From experience, I got lucky. Just take from this the knowledge that you could luck out like me. Don't stop trying just because of fatigue; it took me 2 days of fiddling to discover all this works on these rigs.

If possible, I suggest using a gigabyte board- their site has a table of files and Win versions for drivers... this discovery made my fiddling a LOT easier.

GOOD LUCK!!!

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Built-in video issues? Try minimizing the ram allocatted for the video.

On some systems, Win9x has *major* issues depending on where the BIOS steals the RAM from for the video.

I *know* there is a 'generic as all hell, standard SVGA, no acceleration, no windowed video' Intel driver somewhere...

I know Linux people that use one similar for testing purposes... (I know, Linux ain't 9x compatible... but it was *based* off the original universal driver)

I don't think this info will really help though, as I think y'all are looking for FULL functionality.... but it is something to keep an open eye for in your searches...

See if you can find out what original chipset your particular chipset was expanded from... an older driver for the 'original' chipset might work on the newer chipset.

Just to be clear, PCI-E IS NOT 9x COMPATIBLE!!!

If it is, *please* prove it. You would make ****many**** people happy.

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And even then, using a W2K driver fixed the audio issue... The sound is an AC'97 based driver, with FULL HD support in FULL SURROUND. Hell, even the dinky little environment program loads and runs properly.

With DX8 or higher installed, **all** the HD audio functions work flawlessly. You read that right. F L A W L E S S ! !

May I know what motherboard you have used a exactly what drivers?

At this point, you might get stuck on no SATA support... well, who gives a ****? You heard right, it doesn't matter! As long as you don't use a RAID setup on the drives, they still work flawlessly under 98. You see, the BIOS has 'legacy' support. Enabled, it allows all the SATA drives to be seen under 98SE as standard IDE drives.

Unfortunately there are many BIOSes without this legacy support. I've found a good one (combined) just in Gigabyte motherboards.

Petr

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Browsing around whilst waiting for my driver stuff to arrive has anybody managed to create a stub for the kernal mode routines to extend the symbol table in ntkern.vxd. Or could the extended version used in winme be implanted and then a stub created to rectify any missing functions into our 98se systems. This and rectifying the unicode string differences in DriverEntry might be a start in using available latter day wdms.

Thanks

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And even then, using a W2K driver fixed the audio issue... The sound is an AC'97 based driver, with FULL HD support in FULL SURROUND. Hell, even the dinky little environment program loads and runs properly.

With DX8 or higher installed, **all** the HD audio functions work flawlessly. You read that right. F L A W L E S S ! !

May I know what motherboard you have used a exactly what drivers?

At this point, you might get stuck on no SATA support... well, who gives a ****? You heard right, it doesn't matter! As long as you don't use a RAID setup on the drives, they still work flawlessly under 98. You see, the BIOS has 'legacy' support. Enabled, it allows all the SATA drives to be seen under 98SE as standard IDE drives.
Unfortunately there are many BIOSes without this legacy support. I've found a good one (combined) just in Gigabyte motherboards.

Petr

I believe this is a link to the proper board I am referring to...

http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboar...8I865GME-775-RH

This board was highly recommended from all over the place... I would have thought it was prolific enough to be understood by specs... I'm sorry...

Absolutely everything works without a hitch... I had a little bit of a run around with the installers on 2 out of 5 towers, but I pushed on and got them all running beautifully.

These boards run 3.2 Ghz Pentium ?M? processors...

For some strange reason, I have problems with a particular program (HPJOBBER, thread somewhere else here about it) printing totals on invoices... and I can't update W98SE and expect HPJOBBER to run at all near properly...

but every other program, etc runs beautifully...

The sound driver that came with the system actually does the deed just fine... but I downloaded a driver off of driverguide.com for Win2K that claimed to have more environments and a larger sound bank or something... That driver installed without a hitch, and was like 120megs downloaded...

Edited by DeadDude

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if is here somebody i may send him some drivers which are supporting windows 98 and higher to study differences and maybe develop new DevLoaders (ntkern.vxd) for windows 98... i think this possibility exist...

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And even then, using a W2K driver fixed the audio issue... The sound is an AC'97 based driver, with FULL HD support in FULL SURROUND. Hell, even the dinky little environment program loads and runs properly.

With DX8 or higher installed, **all** the HD audio functions work flawlessly. You read that right. F L A W L E S S ! !

May I know what motherboard you have used a exactly what drivers?

I believe this is a link to the proper board I am referring to...

http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Motherboar...8I865GME-775-RH

This board was highly recommended from all over the place... I would have thought it was prolific enough to be understood by specs... I'm sorry...

This board has Realtek ALC653 codec, this is not HD audio codec but 6-channel AC'97 codec only.

Petr

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the driver install program clearly recognizes it as " AC'97 HD AUDIO CODEC "

If it is wrong, I apologize, as I was simply going off of the install labels...

(both the original install CD as well as the W2K driver called it this)

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I checked out that link....

So I guess PCI-E installs are similar to forcing a PCI driver upon an AGP card or vice versa?

My only experience was a total failure...

Does PCI-E use a miniport driver or something like that (can't remember the name, AGP uses it)?

I guess perhpas ATI has one thing going for them... drivers. I'm a NVIDIA guy.... hence, I didn't think it *could* work... I got 7900gs.. no 98 possible.

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the driver install program clearly recognizes it as " AC'97 HD AUDIO CODEC "

If it is wrong, I apologize, as I was simply going off of the install labels...

That's strange. But in the device manager you see "Realtek AC'97 Audio", right?

I did search thru the installer and did not found the string "AC'97 HD AUDIO CODEC".

But no problem, the most important thing is that everything works as expected.

Petr

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I checked out that link....

So I guess PCI-E installs are similar to forcing a PCI driver upon an AGP card or vice versa?

My only experience was a total failure...

Does PCI-E use a miniport driver or something like that (can't remember the name, AGP uses it)?

I guess perhpas ATI has one thing going for them... drivers. I'm a NVIDIA guy.... hence, I didn't think it *could* work... I got 7900gs.. no 98 possible.

On my computers worked with Windows 98 SE the following PCI-E graphics adapters: Nvidia Geforce 6200, Nvidia Geforce 6200 Turbo Cache, Nvidia Geforce 6600 (one only), ATI X300SE, ATI X550. All of them successfuly finished 3DMark2001SE and 3DMark03:

3DMark03 results:

Nvidia Geforce 6200 (NV43V, GPU Clock 300 MHz, DDR RAM 256 MB 128-bit 500 MHz)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4589845 Score: 3956

Nvidia Geforce 6200 Turbo Cache (NV44, GPU Clock 200 MHz, DDR RAM 128 MB 64-bit 400 MHz)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4582474 Score: 1760

Nvidia Geforce 6600 (NV43, GPU Clock 450 MHz, DDR RAM 256 MB 128-bit 500 MHz)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4582739 Score: 5957

ATI Radeon X300SE (RV370, GPU Clock 325 MHz, DDR RAM 128 MB 64-bit 400 MHz)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4609648 Score: 1788

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4594683 Score: 1770

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4593911 Score: 1767

ATI Radeon X550 (RV380, GPU Clock 398 MHz, DDR RAM 256 MB 128-bit 500 MHz)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4604819 Score: 3170

3DMark2001SE results:

Nvidia Geforce 6200

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8882899 Score: 11564

Nvidia Geforce 6200 Turbo Cache

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8880433 Score: 6770

ATI Radeon X300SE

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8893309 Score: 6263

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8884994 Score: 6227

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8885384 Score: 6223

ATI Radeon X550

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8890773 Score: 11180

Petr

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so, i have extracted some drivers from ViaHyperion pack... I replaced their w98 drivers by drivers for w2k...

USB root hub is for w2k, USB controller, and AGP to CPU controller are using sys files throught ntkern.vxd. No trouble at all. If any trouble graphics shall be corrupted. but it works without any error.

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