What stuipid

[Hollenthon]

crackhead came up with the bright Idea that putting eaven more resourec hog's in it's OS?

An operating system should be plain simple and stable. No Themes or 3D effekts and so on.

Do one copy that is bare to the bone with the stuff needed to get it to work. If you want to use themes then youl have to buy another disk (+pack).

Paying 1000-3000kr(swedish kr) for a bunsh of thrash that youl manualy hav to remove with Nlite is a rip off

How ever start working on Vistas security and put all other work on visuialsion and such on suspend untill Vista is compleatly Secured.

[CoffeeFiend]

Ok, I'll bite.

What stuipid crackhead came up with the bright Idea that putting eaven more resourec hog's in it's OS?

Someone's feature is someone else's bloat. You're perfectly free to use Win3.11 which has like, no blat at all. Want new features? It comes with a price. And I'm not just talking about Windows, some people are saying the exact same about Linux distros. No one's forcing you to use it ya know.

An operating system should be plain simple and stable. No Themes or 3D effekts and so on.

That's what YOU think. It doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions/needs/preferences of others. Again, feel free to use Win9x, 2k, XP with classic "theme". It does just what you're asking for. For EVERYBODY else, there is 3D widget things coming: be it Aero Glass on Vista, whatever it's called on Mac OS X (well, not "coming" - it's "been there" for a while), or XGL on Linux. 99% of people seem to like this, some REALLY dig it. Just how much people you've seen complain about Mac OS X's accelerated desktop? (yeah, basically nobody). Lots of people will only buy/use a new OS if it has eye candy - they don't care of what's underlying, they wouldn't pay for that. Just look at how much people use Stardock's stuff and spend so much time making themes and such things (and even post screenshots on forums). The main downside is the need of a recent video card. It's really not THAT bad, and again, no one's forcing you to use it (BTW, you can even disable Aero Glass on Vista). No point in complaining.

Paying [whatever] for a bunsh of thrash that youl manualy hav to remove with Nlite is a rip off

Paying for an OS you don't want, and then try to convert it to something the equivalent of Win2k? Just because YOU don't want the new features doesn't mean everybody else has to positively absolutely necessarily remove almost everything new with nlite too. I won't be removing anything at all, and most people won't either. Don't want the new stuff? Again, no one's forcing you to buy and use Vista or anything.

How ever start working on Vistas security and put all other work on visuialsion and such on suspend untill Vista is compleatly Secured.

They have worked a LOT on security and a LOT of other GREAT stuff. Why should security and graphics be mutually exclusive? Just because you don't want/like pretty graphics? BTW, there is no such thing as - and there will never be - something known as "completely secured" (Windows, Linux or aynthing else included), unless it's not networked, or perhaps even turned off. Security is a process, NOT a product.

So much for "constructive criticism"...

[fizban2]

if that is the way you feel go ahead and get teh vista basic addition, and remeber, no one is forcing you to get this software, you make the decsion to buy it or purchase it

[Biohead]

Like everyone else has already said, feel free to use DOS if thats what you want! No one is forcing it upon you. If you want it plain and simple, just enable "Classic". I personally like the themes because I use the Sidebar a lot (Newsfeeds mainly). I'd hate it if it was as boring and bland as Win2k and would end up getting rid of it and losing the ease-of-use features (feeds, weather etc).

This is now the 21st Century - computers make up the majority of everyday life. They may as well make something with the option of being attractive if half the world will see it everyday! The same has happened with PDAs, Mobiles and even car interfaces (Dashboards, HUDs etc).

[Spooky]

just wondering; Have you tried to maximize the use of the features and new bells and whistles to your advantage? Or...have you just started out with a bad opinion of them from the beginning?

Personally I think everyone got a little of something they have been wanting in a MS OS for a while in some way. Tabbed browser, integrated firewall, basic security features, file system optimizations, improved memory management, fairly nice GUI's and desktop environment , etc....

Take for example all the complaints about security flaws in windows in the past. Well, of course its going to be more obvious in windows then say for example in Linux simply because windows is more widespread then linux. Virus and trojan makers would target windows because it offers the best chance for their crap to succed simply because it has more targets, not necessarily because the security flaws existed. Vista is trying to address those. After all, computer security is a multi-dimensional process, not a product, and thats part of the problem with computer security today with companies trying to sell it as a product instead of a multi-dimensional process. Vista has done a good job with trying to present it as a multi-dimensional process, at least basically. What other operating system has Phising prevention as part of its integrated security features instead of a 'stand alone' solution or just in a single part of the OS?

OS structure, design, content, and features today are being driven by the overall customer base and the complaints from the past about things like security holes and flaws/bugs. You have to remember that part of that customer base is people in this forum and others, and that 12 or 13 year old kid at home, or that need of business and enterprise, or that person who just wants things to work. Bringing all these together in a single OS platform, and addressing what has been said by and what is desired by the majority, is difficult if not next to impossible. Thus you end up with Vista in its different flavors to appeal to everyone in some way. It also has to appeal to those masses in terms of marketing.

Edited October 1, 2006 by Spooky

[prx984]

simple math can solve this

[math code]

2000/XP + nLite = Heaven

Vista = good to some + bad to others

so, therefore PC = what user does to it

[/math code]

[kartel]

You can switch to classic and get rid of all of it...........what's the problem?

Edited October 2, 2006 by kartel

[LLXX]

The point he's making is that GUIs don't have to be resource consuming.

There is an "OS" (actually, a DOS shell) that used to be popular with demosceners, called TzLXG. A full window manager, which looked somewhat like Win95 classic, in ~10Kb of code including a basic graphical shell. Unfortunately it seems to have vanished completely from the Internet (being from the late 80s/early 90s) but if you look through some archives you might find a copy...