randiroo76073 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Link 21, have you ever thought about seeing a Dr. , I'm sure he would admit you for surgery immediatly as you are in dire need of a rectalencephalectomy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDude Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) Sorry to resurrect, but this guy Link really p***ed me off....Dude, in the link you sent in the first or second post, EVERYONE TELLS YOU THE SAME THING.Oh yeah, and if thye pulled ALL SUPPORT for 98SE AND ME in 2002 WHERE THE HELL WOULD YOUR PRECIOUS WIN2000 BE NOW?!?!It is 2007, and I bet you probably still wish some new piece of code could run on your W2k box.You may have the general gist correct, though... The software compoanies shouldn't be tied down by their customers... I mean, who the hell do the CUSTOMER think they are??? Demanding a product that they can USE.Sheesh...Listen... just stop for a second here pal... You have a good general idea, let an old OS die already. But you have to take into account the REAL WORLD.Microsoft would LOVE to kill 98SE off, and any other 9x cores... And yes, they tell us that it is needed to support newer technologies.I am *not* arguing that those types of statements come out of MANY developers of commercial software...BUT.THE REAL WORLD. Yeah, not the business world. The REAL world. I am the administrator at 5 different businesses, all of them are FORCED to run 9x. Most of them would LOVE to upgrade.Find a way to jack a TRUE DOS, WITH 100% ACCURATE RS232 EMULATION. If you are so stubborn on your views, then why not find a way to actually **HELP** your views come to pass?It would be quite easy for someone that can invest apparently 3 years to bash a 'dead' OS..Just make all the software that so many commercial factories are forced to run (you know, CnC Machining, etc.) actually WORK on a Win2K system.Do this, and you will have the holy grail... This is the ONE reason why 9x can **never** die. I didn't say it CAN'T die, I said it can **never** die. We can't allow it to die. How much industry would be stopped in its tracks?Yeah, 9x is soooo horrible. We got soooo much better OSs out there to use now. But dude, your 2 year old posts show your age and your brainwash level.Methinks you should watch the pirates of silicon valley... You see, us in this forum are more like the Steve Jobs in that movie... or mebbe Steve Woznyak (spelling), since we don't do acid here... but if you do, fine... just keep your frizzled, rainbow aura ramblings to yourself.Bill Gates is evil. Please ignore that sentence; don't flame that particular statement.Because we are *forced* (for whatever reasons, personal, financial or other) to use the older OS, we demand assistance. It isn't our fault (or my clients, for that matter) that M$ has a MUCH more ambitious upgrade plan that us (or even you, for that matter).Back in the 80's when many of these businesses I work with was founded, DOS was the king. The CnC machines run a modified DOS 3.3 core. It is impossible to upgrade the machines' OS.These guys paid over $75,000 for EACH machine. What does that cost now? $275,000. Will the 'new thing' work on NT-based stuff? NOPE.Do these people upgrade the woftware on the interface computers? NOT THE OS... Hell no, can't touch that... The creation software is upgraded... and it STILL has 'modest' requirments... The '3D Printer' machine software will run on a P133, 16Meg, 20MegHD... The most intensive software, the actual object creator module, it requires at least a 350Mhz, 64Meg, 250MegHD. And we *have* tried newer hardware than those specs... it isn't any faster dude. Why upgrade when you get absolutely NOTHING?Dude, you also need to think about the first point in this post... If we killed off 9x *that soon*, what would keep M$ from making is SHORTER? What does the word MONOPOLY mean to you? Rethink that definition... If we give M$ the power to shorten OUR OPERATING SYSTEM to a life of 5 years OR LESS... then 85% of the computer-using world wouldn't be users! You think money is just magically there to buy all new hardware in every business, every situation, just to use the newest version of a bug-riddled OS?Did you ever think that some of us on 9x may have made that choice based on the track record? How long before XP is opened enough for similar projects to be undertaken...We got people here trying to write hardware drivers. We got people CREATING updates. WE GOT PEOPLE PATCHING M$ MISTAKES BETTER THAN THEY COULD.Why the hell would the people of THIS FORUM... THIS ONE, the 9x ones... Why would we give up all of our community driven projects that PROVE older M$ software is still usable and sometimes MORE STABLE WITH OUR UPDATES? Why start all over again? And as long as projects like KUP keep going, we could use 98 well past XP's lifespan.Oh yeah, and if you think I am some uber 98 lover... I use XP Media Center *everyday* on my own computers... and the only thing I prefer in 9x over others is the fact that if it runs at all, it is running at max speed. Why the hell does 2k and XP have some crappy IDLE? Because the newer hardware can't actually run at the speeds they advertise... it does BURSTS... not continuous. Older stuff doesn't do BURST so much... older stuff grants the USER access to USE THEIR HARDWARE.That's how I'll end this...Sorry for the rant, and all that... but this thread was all about this guy, and I really couldn't bite my tongue after actually reading his posts on other sites... this is one of many responses from another site that supports the REAL WORLD... not a bunch of teenagers that just got washed and rinsed by the Gates militia... *** 04-09-2005, 08:08 PM***hu********e *** ***There are still millions of systems running those OS's and for that reason alon ethey should still be supported..******Just like SJConsultant said I also have a large number of customers whose software is perfectly fine and in fact over kill for what they are doing on systems that ***are 6+ years old..******manufacturing is a prime example... If a machine just needs to move from point a to b then why change but if it need so talk to printer c then .............Dude, in a perfect world it would be perfect. This ain't perfect. Instead of spending YEARS complaining, why not become part of a solution? I *know* all of us would *love* to not ****NEED**** to use 9x... Fix ALL OF THE PROBLEMS that each individual person (which adds up to at least 120 in my circle of friends) has with upgrading. Surely, someone who is so wealthy to create such a load of crap in their spare time has enough money to buy them all the newer hardware they NEED to WORK. Edited January 23, 2007 by DeadDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy_Rivers Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 well said like whos gonna buy vista to run a old dos based program?bussiness dont spend money on that.u use what works and is cost affective .enuff say pass the spliff overhere dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadDude Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 and this statement proves your ignorance of how the Microsoft business model works...03-27-2006, 03:43 PMSuper Mario Limp GawdSuper Mario is offlineQuote:You really advocate yanking support a full year after a viable new OS has hit the market? (I say viable because 2000 wasn't a viable OS for gamers.) No, thanks.No I didn't say that about any OS. I was referring to that about WIndows 98/ME because they suck. However, Windows XP deserves to stick around for a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG time after Vista is released because Windows XP is still an NT based OS and NT based operating systems are fine and still native to the same OS heritage Vista will be based on.END QUOTE____You see, you don't realize that if we give in on 9x, then the next is 2k, then XP....You can't condone or cry out for the quick death of an inferior OS... eventually YOUR OS will be next, and your choices in condoning the actions of today dictate the actions you won't have a choice in in the future...BTW, inferior is a personal value... you can't expect ANYONE to share that same personal value... take some basic psychology, and you'll open your eyes a bit more my brother...The world is not what you believe it to be... don't become part of the machine that is destroying us all in the name of advancement. Think of who actually will get to reap the benefits of the world you hint at... how will certain goods be manufactured if over 60% of the factories just stopped working because of an old OS at the helm? You speak of stability issues... well, the industries still use it regardless of your/the world's ideas. Who would swoop in and take over for them? NO ONE. What would happen? Some form of ANARCHY would.Your views match many others in history... albeit in a round-about way...Hitler (supreme race... um... supreme OS correlation? death to unworthy OS? death to unworthy Jews?)Bush Jr. (we will rush into Iraq and kill their existing governement because we don't agree with it... let's put our own in place! The people don't like it? tough sh*t, we got more numbers... sounds like your argument on the other board...)Brother, you got open eyes... now just start to look AROUND you... don't believe the d*mn hype and media... use that big ol' brain you got in there... Evolve or die doesn't apply anymore... we have surpassed what we require for our societies, now where do we draw the line on the advancements? A famous person once said something to the effects of:"Old ideas + old tech = old problems (we know about)""Old ideas + new tech = unforseeable events"Substitute "ideas" for "ways of doing things", and it applies better here... the larger point on this issue is that we have all we need for business... now why should we kill it off in the name of progress?? **WHOSE** progress???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy_Rivers Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 hell ya i,d used 98se 4ever if i could dont understand why nt so hyped anyway .sure i cant run the lasted msn live etc but who cares bout smiles or winks just a boat load of bloat.and security who cares i mean i dont do banking online or order ebay and if i ghost a image even if the dreaded spyware fairy hits me all of 8 minutes to be up and running.it cracks me up we discontinue support for 9x so upgrade because your pc is proaned to attacks and xp aint hell i hear vista spyware makers are all reved up raring to go as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zxian Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Does anyone have anything productive to say here? There's a whole lot of flaming and not much discussion.@DeadDude - Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean that you need to get "p***ed off" about what someone else says. This is not a place to tell people off - it's a discussion board. People are allowed to have opinions and you need to respect that.Since there hasn't been anything productive about this thread (and I doubt there will be), I'm closing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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