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Firefox - a promised land of privacy that never happened. Look elsewhere unless you're a coder with the ability to stop the enormous data mining.


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Do you use Firefox?  

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  1. 1. Do you use Firefox?

    • No, not interested.
    • Yes, like it.
    • Not even thinking about it.
    • Used in the past, no more.


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10 minutes ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

P.S. I obviously haven't voted yet and probably won't vote.

Same here.

Mainly, because I actually do not believe that "anybody" on MSFN actually uses FIREFOX.

FORKS of Firefox, yes.  But I really really really do not think we have any MSFN Members running "real" 'upstream' Firefox.

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I use Firefox as my non-default secondary browser.

And of course everything that was written on the previous page in this thread about privacy is removable from about:config because all firefox-based browsers remain the most configurable and privacy-friendly browsers.

Otherwise Tor browser would be derived from Chromium.....

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1 hour ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

because all firefox-based browsers remain the most configurable and privacy-friendly browsers

This is your OPINION.

Chromium-based is really no different than Firefox-based - both have Sh^TLoadS of telemetry that the END-USER must jump through hoops to prevent/disable.

default setup right out of the box for Firefox typically has HUNDREDS (PLURAL!) of telemetry connections on the FIRST RUN (if you know what you are doing, you do this FIRST RUN when not connected to the internet!).

default setup right out of the box for Chrome typically has LESS THAN TWO DOZEN.

"To each their own".  But you are deceived or blind to refer to Firefox as "privacy-friendly" when the end-user is faced with many many MANY more HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH to make it remotely qualify as "privacy-friendly".

Opt-Out is one thing.  But only a tiny handful of Firefox users even know that this "opt-out" even exists!

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/walsc6/why_do_people_keep_acting_like_firefox_is_a/?rdt=34771

This isn't 1990 when Firefox truly was "privacy-friendly".  ANONYMOUS DATA is still a privacy violation in my book!

I view Firefox + Opt-Out as no different than UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM = Chrome + Opt-Out

But either way you look at it, it is the responsibility of the end-user to "opt-out".

 

"My two cents..."

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1 hour ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

Otherwise Tor browser would be derived from Chromium.....

Misplaced trust.  It's not that difficult to become an "exit node".  I used to know two server-maintainers that set themselves up as "exit nodes".

Give yourself two months and due-diligence and you yourself can become an "exit node".

You cannot "tor" without an "exit node".  Look into "exit node eavesdropping".

There are ways to block certain exit nodes.  But it is another one of those things that only a tiny handful of users are even aware of.

It's the Firefox opt-out scenario all over again.  An about:config toggle is only useful if *ALL* users of Firefox know it's even buried in there.

I know Firefox users that have never heard of "about:config".  If this is a "majority" or a "minority" of Firefox users is totally unknown to me.  Same goes for those that "opt-out".

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It is more of a consideration.

Anything that bothers me on the privacy side I have removed from about:config + Policies + uBlock Origin (AdGuard MV3).

For me it is easy,maybe for many MSFN members it is difficult.
Look at this test:

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A few MSFN members manage,I hope, to partially block js in order to obscure filter lists.
 

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12 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

And of course everything that was written on the previous page in this thread about privacy is removable from about:config because all firefox-based browsers remain the most configurable and privacy-friendly browsers.

 

Not true, as usual. 

"Was NOT able to find a way to disable this, even in about:config."

"Automatic connections to some websites you've visited, including their trackers

Websites you visit most often are added to the New Tab panel. When you then open a new tab, Firefox will sometimes make requests to the sites in there, including some of their trackers. I haven't determined how it works yet. Sometimes it doesn't make the requests at all; other times you end up with hundreds of images, scripts, trackers, etc. loaded simply because you opened a new tab (without visiting any website explicitly). Was NOT able to find a way to disable this, even in about:config."

Original article.

 

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2 minutes ago, Karla Sleutel said:

So far, we've only seen you're on MS Edge in every topic, so why no screenshots?

We criss-crossed.  Yes, that was my observation also.

Granted, "bottom line", in my opinion, is that these "browser wars" have been going on for DECADES and will go on for DECADES MORE.

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:)

@NotHereToPlayGames

It's the same thing,do you want the Firefox image?
The merit in this case is a very simple rule written in uBlock Origin.

P.S.


That I will not post in this forum but in case there are requests I will only send it via MP.

Because of Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

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11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

Misplaced trust.  It's not that difficult to become an "exit node".  I used to know two server-maintainers that set themselves up as "exit nodes".

Give yourself two months and due-diligence and you yourself can become an "exit node".

You cannot "tor" without an "exit node".  Look into "exit node eavesdropping".

There are ways to block certain exit nodes.  But it is another one of those things that only a tiny handful of users are even aware of.

It's the Firefox opt-out scenario all over again.  An about:config toggle is only useful if *ALL* users of Firefox know it's even buried in there.

I know Firefox users that have never heard of "about:config".  If this is a "majority" or a "minority" of Firefox users is totally unknown to me.  Same goes for those that "opt-out".

Great post, sorry I'm out of reactions for today, I'll do it tomorrow. I like what you write, it's honest and unbiased.

To me, it seems too much of a hassle to make Firefox even remotely private.  

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Just now, Sampei.Nihira said:

The merit in this case is a very simple rule written in uBlock Origin.

True.  A simple rule that works in EDGE and in FIREFOX.

Again, I revert to this - it is up to the end-user to JUMP THROUGH HOOPS.

But again, those hoops exist for Chromium-based and for Firefox-based.

Neither one is out to protect your privacy out-of-the-box.  That responsibility falls on the end-user, always will!

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2 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

True.  A simple rule that works in EDGE and in FIREFOX.

Again, I revert to this - it is up to the end-user to JUMP THROUGH HOOPS.

But again, those hoops exist for Chromium-based and for Firefox-based.

Neither one is out to protect your privacy out-of-the-box.  That responsibility falls on the end-user, always will!

No,I am almost sure it works in all browsers,it depends more on uBlock origin than browser.

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1 minute ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

it depends more on uBlock origin than browser

BINGO!

That's my point.  Browser Wars are irrelevant "these days".  It is the add-ons we use that truly look out for our privacy.  Be it uBlock, be it uMatrix, be it Proxomitron - the point is, we have to jump through hoops (plural).

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@Sampei.Nihira, in your casually misleading post you implied that everything can be tuned up in about:config. I contradicted with an article from experts.

We are waiting for the answer, or you you'll just ignore, as usual?

https://msfn.org/board/topic/186450-firefox-a-promised-land-of-privacy-that-never-happened-look-elsewhere-unless-youre-a-coder-with-the-ability-to-stop-the-enormous-data-mining/?do=findComment&comment=1272449

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