What do we even do at this point?

[UCyborg]

The backup copy of Win10 install should work better, but longer cold boot on its own isn't too critical. It would just be nice to get to the bottom of what messed it up for once, despite being careful and not purposefully making the installation dirty. I only know how to reinstall / restore backup image, not diagnosing such issues.

That darned Win10 20H2 doesn't log boot times in Event Viewer for some reason. I usually just switch the Windows version at times like these, but there's nowhere to run to and reinstalling / restoring old image or downgrading isn't appealing just to solve boot time and ending up with the same old version or even older. I'd prefer something newer / better, but not aware of anything must-have in Win10 22H2 and Win11 doesn't seem suitable either.

[UCyborg]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:03 PM, UCyborg said:

Current install has been fine since late 2020, only recently getting some random BSODs on transition to sleep or hibernation. No idea if it got crooked on the software side and restoring fresher backup of said installation would help or it's just aging hardware, which subtle faults theoretically could be causing crookedness one way or another.

On 12/21/2024 at 9:25 AM, UCyborg said:

What not to do? Switching random devices / drivers to MSI mode.

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windows-line-based-vs-message-signaled-based-interrupts-msi-tool.378044/

GPUs may do fine in MSI mode, others, it depends.

I had onboard sound in MSI mode (stock Microsoft driver), installed a dedicated sound card in earlier December, when I tried MSI mode on Creative's driver, insta BSOD going to sleep that looked like the one above. Went back to default (MSI disabled) on both sound devices (onboard still enabled, but unused), going for 15 days without BSOD.

Will see what happens after about 1 month mark. I don't recall when I switched GPU and onboard sound to MSI mode. That would be helpful to know.

Edited January 1 by UCyborg

[ibay770]

On 12/17/2021 at 12:01 AM, sunryze said:

Windows 10 sucks and continues to suck and same as Windows 11 and its spiral out of control. I had hope but was demonstrated the second time that hope doesn't matter. I hate 10 and I hate 11, Linux never clicks in for me and macOS is not possible. What do I even do? I just want to use my computer and not have to think about how the OS I am using sucks so much. I have somewhat considered just stripping the hell out of 1607 or something, installing that on every computer I have and just leaving it like that forever. I just know that may not be practical... What do you guys suggest as an OS that works, is somewhat supported, isn't from a while ago and isn't hell to use?

Who says it's not practical? I have systems running win8 and they work great as a print/file server. You can make your changes and use a deep freeze software and you should be good to go. 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

I use a stripped-down version (WinReducerEx100) of 1607 on five home computers without any issues.

One is an ancient quad-core (may even only be duo, would have to look), one is an i3 laptop, one is an i5 laptop, one is a single-core desktop, and one is an i7 desktop.

Three of the five are used DAILY.  The fourth is used at least three times a week.  The single-core is for music out in the garage so is only when working in garage or in backyard.

VERY practical and NO ISSUES.  I don't doubt that these will not last "forever".  But I envision at least FOUR TO FIVE MORE YEARS before I have to worry about anything!  That's an eternity for computers already 8-16 years old.

[Klemper]

11 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I use a stripped-down version (WinReducerEx100) of 1607

Could you share the template? Thanks.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

I don't think this is the correct forum.  Everything within my template was obtained from here.  And a ton of trial-and-error.

I intentionally break/defuse/axe things like Windows Defender and Windows Firewall and Smart Screen and Action Center for the sake of PERFORMANCE over "security".

I strongly feel that if I get hit with malware/virus/trojan, then it is BECAUSE I WAS STUPID AND CLICKED ON SOMETHING I SHOULD NOT HAVE, INTALLED SOMETHING I SHOULD NOT HAVE, VISITED A WEB SITE I SHOULD NOT HAVE, et cetera.

I have NO INTEREST in my computer being CRIPPLED with background bottlenecks to "protect me from me".  I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY and BLAME MYSELF if I click on something I should not, install something I should not, et cetera.

If a new thread is started and there is enough interest, I may reconsider.  But in the meantime, there are other (better [due to membership subset]) forums for discussing these types of templates.

[ibay770]

6 hours ago, Klemper said:

Could you share the template? Thanks.

Personally I use this:

https://github.com/ionuttbara/windows-defender-remover

This is just a start,  at least for me. I delete autochk, werfault (to disable error reporting) and wrpinit (to get rid of windows resource protection) 

[ibay770]

6 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I use a stripped-down version (WinReducerEx100) of 1607 on five home computers without any issues.

One is an ancient quad-core (may even only be duo, would have to look), one is an i3 laptop, one is an i5 laptop, one is a single-core desktop, and one is an i7 desktop.

Three of the five are used DAILY.  The fourth is used at least three times a week.  The single-core is for music out in the garage so is only when working in garage or in backyard.

VERY practical and NO ISSUES.  I don't doubt that these will not last "forever".  But I envision at least FOUR TO FIVE MORE YEARS before I have to worry about anything!  That's an eternity for computers already 8-16 years old.

Do they charge for that version? Good to note! Another idea is to install whatever you want in a winpe and just boot that. 

Here is a guide for audio but the principles are the same. 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/64929-windows-pe-as-audio-os/

 

Edited January 6 by ibay770

[NotHereToPlayGames]

4 hours ago, ibay770 said:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/64929-windows-pe-as-audio-os/

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Over time I have observed that the audio quality of the PC is related to the number of processes that run on it and to the latency.
We all know that Windows Server has higher quality sound than Windows 10, and in Core mode even more, and if we also run it from RAM it increases much more.
These facts corroborate the above, as they are related to the number of processes that are executed in the OS while listening and with the latency, always lower in RAM.
To corroborate these statements I have checked how many processes are running on each OS (clean) mentioned above, and the results are as follows:

1. WINDOWS 10: 126 processes (104 applying Windows Debloater powereshell script and disabling Windows Defender)
2. WINDOWS SERVER 2019 GUI: 104 processes (with defender installed) (87 with defender uninstalled)
3. WINDOWS SERVER 2019 CORE *: 71 processes (54 with defender uninstalled) (*) with AppCompatibility FOD installed.
4. WINDOWS 10-11 PE: 27 processes.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

My Win10 is ALREADY TWEAKED DOWN TO ONLY 27 PROCESSES !!!  (the screencap shows 28 because I had to open the Task Manager process, lol)   

This is technically from inside a VM but my HOST is IDENTICAL.

To be perfectly fair and honest and not hide anything, the process count is 29 and 31 on two laptops but this is due to sound and graphics drivers for higher resolutions than default generic drivers.

This tweaked-down version of Win10 (1607) is the result of two years of trial-and-error all while still running XP as my only OS.  I could NOT bring myself to migrate away from XP until I was able to get Win10 to my liking.

And as one might suspect, it was web browser and billpay access HEADACHES in XP that was the "last straw".

Once I did finally end up a Win10 User, I REGRET NOT DOING IT SOONER - Win10 *is* much BETTER once you tweak out the BS!

Edited January 6 by NotHereToPlayGames

[ibay770]

Curious how you got so low. 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

WinReducerEX100.  https://forum.winreducer.net

And the "base" OS is Win10 1607 (year = 2016).

I do have a tweaked version of Win10 1809 (year = 2019) but it's still at trial-and-error due to a very long blank screen during cold boot.

1809 doesn't gain me anything over 1607 and I'll likely never need 1809 but would jump to 21H2 next.  Only time will tell.

I used XP for twenty three years.  Perhaps I'm being naive, but I have my fingers crossed that I can get at least half that (call it twelve years) and sail along just fine with 1607!

"Support" from Microsoft is MEANINGLESS to me.  I don't even install "updates" to 1607!  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!  

[NotHereToPlayGames]

3 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

1809 doesn't gain me anything over 1607

I guess this isn't technically accurate.  1809 does have a better Task Manager that will display GPU usage.

But that is only important if you rely solely on Window's native Task Manager as I get GPU usage from System Informer 3.1.24333.0 and use it over the native Task Manager.

[Guest]

The new business is phishing:

https://www.netskope.com/press-releases/netskope-threat-labs-phishing-clicks-nearly-tripled-in-2024-ubiquitous-use-of-personal-cloud-apps-and-genai-tools-require-modern-workplace-security-to-mitigate-risk

,just yesterday I saw a movie “The Beekeeper” that deals with the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beekeeper_(2024_film)

 

I notice that the forum has stalled again.
I in the meantime have treated myself to a vacation in Sharm for 2 weeks.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

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Edited January 8 by NotHereToPlayGames