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MERCURY127

Win9x vs GTX 1070 - VDD initialization crash, protection error

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Yes. It is all. The End. The Great End. 

No graphics. Just text message on black screen of death. Even with standard VGA driver. Even in safe mode. 

Have any ideas?

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Did you try Tihiy's SVGA patch in safe mode?

 

Edited by deomsh
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No, and i think, this cant help - i try just remove vga.drv/vgafull.3gr/vbemp.drv/vbe.vxd from system folder, and see no diff-es.
ie, machine crashed exactly in vdd.vxd module, before loading any video *.drv.

also, win2k with own standard vga.sys work ok, but vbempnt - not, have code 10.

also, this card not support any CGA/EGA graphics modes. only support VGA 640x480 x4 bits, MCGA 320x200 x8 bits, and vesa svga 640x480+ x8/16/32 bits.
ie, Alley Cat game, for sample, here is not run...

here is some technical details about card:

  Video
     Monitor Vendor:           BenQ
     Monitor Model:            BenQ BL2411 (BNQ 8011)
     Video Chip Vendor:        Nvidia Corp
     Video Chip:               Unknown Device
     VESA OEM String:          NVIDIA
     Video Memory Size:        16 MB
                               
                  +-----------------------------------------+
                  |             PCI/AGP Devices             |
                  +-----------------------------------------+
  PCI/AGP
     PCI Bus Version:          3.0
     Number of PCI Buses:      6

  Bus: 01h, Device: 00h, Function: 00h         
     Vendor (10DEh):           Nvidia Corp
     Device (1B81h):           Unknown Device
     Subsys Vendor (10DEh):    Nvidia Corp
     Subsystem ID (1B81h):     Unknown
     Class (03h):              Display
     SubClass (00h):           VGA
     Revision:                 A1h
     Interface:                00h
  Device Properties
     Device Timing:            Fast
     Memory Access:            [X]
     I/O Access:               [X]
     Bus Master:               [X]
     66 MHz Speed Support:     [ ]
  Device Resources
     ROM Address:              F7000000h
     Memory Address:           F6000000h - F6FFFFFFh
     Memory Address:           E0000000h - EFFFFFFFh
     Memory Address:           F0000000h - F1FFFFFFh
     Base I/O Port:            0000E000h - 0000E07Fh
     System IRQ:               11
     Interrupt Pin:            INTA#
  PCI-E Capabilities
     PCI Express Version:      2.0
     Device/Port Type:         Legacy PCI-E Endpoint
     Link Speed:               8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s)
     Link Width:               x16 (Current: x16)
     Link Port Number:         0
     Physical Slot Number:     0
                               
  Bus: 01h, Device: 00h, Function: 01h         
     Vendor (10DEh):           Nvidia Corp
     Device (10F0h):           Unknown Device
     Subsys Vendor (10DEh):    Nvidia Corp
     Subsystem ID (1B81h):     Unknown
     Class (04h):              Multimedia
     SubClass (03h):           Hi-definition Audio
     Revision:                 A1h
     Interface:                00h
  Device Properties
     Device Timing:            Fast
     Memory Access:            [X]
     I/O Access:               [ ]
     Bus Master:               [X]
     66 MHz Speed Support:     [ ]
  Device Resources
     Memory Address:           F7080000h - F7083FFFh
     System IRQ:               10
     Interrupt Pin:            INTB#
  PCI-E Capabilities
     PCI Express Version:      2.0
     Device/Port Type:         PCI-E Endpoint
     Link Speed:               8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s)
     Link Width:               x16 (Current: x16)
     Link Port Number:         0
     Physical Slot Number:     0
                               
                  +-----------------------------------------+
                  |                  Video                  |
                  +-----------------------------------------+
  Video
     Video Chip Vendor:        Nvidia Corp
     Video Chip:               Unknown Device
     Subsystem Vendor:         Nvidia Corp
     Video Memory Size:        16 MB
     Bus Type:                 PCI-E
     VESA OEM String:          NVIDIA
     VESA Version:             3.0
     Vendor Name:              NVIDIA Corporation
     Product Name:             BIOS-P/N@N11313 Chip Rev   
     OEM Software Version:     134.4
  VESA Power Management
     VESA PM Version:          1.0
     Standby:                  [X]
     Suspend:                  [X]
     Off:                      [X]
     Reduced On:               [ ]
  PCI-E Capabilities
     PCI Express Version:      2.0
     Device/Port Type:         Legacy PCI-E Endpoint
     Link Speed:               8.0 GB/s (Current: 2.5 GB/s)
     Link Width:               x16 (Current: x16)
     Link Port Number:         0
     Physical Slot Number:     0
  VESA Modes
     Number | Mode  |Resolution|Colors| bpp| Features
     -------+-------+----------+------+----+----------
       101h | Graph |   640x480|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       103h | Graph |   800x600|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       105h | Graph |  1024x768|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       107h | Graph | 1280x1024|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       111h | Graph |   640x480|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       112h | Graph |   640x480|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
       114h | Graph |   800x600|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       115h | Graph |   800x600|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
       117h | Graph |  1024x768|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       118h | Graph |  1024x768|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
       11Ah | Graph | 1280x1024|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       11Bh | Graph | 1280x1024|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
       145h | Graph | 1600x1200|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       146h | Graph | 1600x1200|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       14Ah | Graph | 1600x1200|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
       14Bh | Graph | 1920x1200|   256|   8| Bank + LFB
       14Ch | Graph | 1920x1200|   64k|  16| Bank + LFB
       14Dh | Graph | 1920x1200|   16M|  32| Bank + LFB
                               

 

Edited by MERCURY127
MCGA false negative

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I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine...apart from the usual graphical artefacts.

What are your PC specs? Can you try the 1070/98SE on different machines?

 

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Is win31 Enhanced mode working with XGA (640x480 16 colors)? XGA uses the older 3.0 vga-driver.

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34 minutes ago, deomsh said:

Is win31 Enhanced mode working with XGA (640x480 16 colors)? XGA uses the older 3.0 vga-driver.

Hmm...

640 x 480 x 4 bpp - it is VGA. XGA is 1024 x 768 x 8 bpp - very old IBM vc. 

Are u sure, that talk about XGA?

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38 minutes ago, MrMateczko said:

I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine...apart from the usual graphical artefacts.

What are your PC specs? Can you try the 1070/98SE on different machines?

 

It is strange. My machine is exactly that, as on previous years - core i7 3770, 8 Gbytes ram. I just add gtx 1070 yesterday...

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Win31 in protected mode, likely, also cant run...
show garbaged logo, then fall in dos... instead decktop.
yes, i limit memory to 128 MB before run Win31...

2 hours ago, MrMateczko said:

I haven't had any issues with my GTX 1050 Ti, the standard VGA driver in 98SE worked fine...

which ur card vendor and model? my is Palit GTX 1070 Super Jetstream...

can u dump ur VBIOS from C000?

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It's the Inno3D GTX 1050 Ti Twin X2.

I'm not at home, can't test it for you, will be back in probably a month or two.

But I do remember running 98SE with it with no problems.

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4 hours ago, MERCURY127 said:

Hmm...

640 x 480 x 4 bpp - it is VGA. XGA is 1024 x 768 x 8 bpp - very old IBM vc. 

Are u sure, that talk about XGA?

 

Win31 XGA 640x480 16 colors.jpg

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Ok, i just mixed XGA and 8514/a... :D

Anyway, XGA is not run. As with VGA and modded SVGA - i just see garbaged 3.1 logo and immediate after this - blinking cursor on black screen.

if i try WIN : (run w/o logo) then i get just blinking cursor, w/o any vmode switching.

ie all look exactly as VDD* initialization problem.

Edited by MERCURY127

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Are you using Dblbuf.sys in win31? I once had to use it with a GF 650ti before I could enter protected mode.

Try:

1)

DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D (is equivalent to DEVICE=SMARTDRV.EXE /Double_Buffer (loads DBLBUFF.SYS too, '.EXE' is needed in Device-statements).

2)

DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D+ (or: DEVICE=SMARTDRV.EXE /Double_Buffer+).

3)

DEVICE=ANSI.SYS

DEVICE=DBLBUFF.SYS /D (or /D+)

DEVICE=ANSI.SYS

(so ANSI.SYS loaded directly before AND after DBLBUFF.SYS)

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No, I don't use dblbuff in 31 nor 9x. And before installing 1070 both os was work good :)

 

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I "try Tihiy's SVGA patch in safe mode"... 

Now machine do reboot when load vddsvga.386.

Ie, again, problem appear when loading VDD modules. 

Why? What these modules do such horrible?

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