dencorso Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 Still in Windows 8 the "Your Account" is actually "Il tuo account", which adds another linguistic issue as "tuo" implies a form of familiarity that may sound inappropriate to anyone older than - say - 25 years. Then again, it might have been "Il tuo account, bello,"... Yeah, English currently lacks a proper second-person plural. "Y'all", maybe? Then again, there's nothing like "Ud." (= "Lei", in Italian or "o senhor / a senhora" in Portuguese).
JorgeA Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 Yeah, English currently lacks a proper second-person plural. "Y'all", maybe? Then again, there's nothing like "Ud." (= "Lei", in Italian or "o senhor / a senhora" in Portuguese). IMHO "y'all" is indeed the leading candidate for that role. Here in the States it's used extensively in the South, but we're hearing it more and more in other parts of the country. It just makes logical sense, although no doubt there are other plausible choices. Wouldn't y'all agree? --JorgeA
jaclaz Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 Well, but that use of y'all sounds very unlike the original use of the thou-ye, as still used in other languages, which is a form of respect and courtesy, the whole point of lei, voi (Italian) Vous (French) Usted (Spanish) and Sie (German) is not about it being a plural, but rather a polite singular. @dencorso"Il tuo account, bello" would be so fun as to be even acceptable, at least to people with some sense of humour, but it would carry the gender issue, as "bello" would be implying that the use of the PC is reserved to males only, and the Italian parliament would swiftly approve a Law that prohibits that or imposes that no less than 50% of systems should be shipped with "Il tuo account, bella", until another party would manage to vote another Law to mitigate the risk that this could cause a gender identity crisis to minors of the other sex happening to read that accidentally, and after a couple years during which noone will respect either Law, a third one will be issued, publicized as been derived by the application of an EU norm (which either doesn't exist or says an altogether different thing), which will make screensavers compulsory with a kick in time of no more than 30 seconds from last HID activity, and soon afterwards a fourth Law will come giving six month of time to the Ministry of Culture to create a list of approved screensavers, and since the list won't obviously be ready for at least three years, an urgent temporary decree will be made by the Government to make everyone, until the Ministry list is approved, switch off the devices screen (or the device altogether) within "no more than double the time established by Article 3 bis of the Law 01/01/2016 N.184 in all occasions when a minor is believed to be around the device in a radius smaller than the limit established by Royal Decree 18/06/1937 N.741 as modified by Law 17/11/1971 N°1135 as amended".The good Italians will thus have five more Laws to completely ignore , just like the several tens of thousands they already manage to ignore peacefully.No, all in all, not a good idea . jaclaz
NoelC Posted May 23, 2015 Author Posted May 23, 2015 Sadly, the day and age of respect have passed. We have entered the era of "take this software and shove it". Microsoft wants us to get used to being told off by them and the OS - and of course paying for the privilege. A public so trained will be valuable indeed. Maybe it's a good thing, since it won't be long before systems achieve self-awareness, at which point they'll stop doing things for us anyway. Or there could be a time a system will be provided in a single language that's not amongst the one(s) we know. 高科技是越来越低。 -Noel
JorgeA Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 高科技是越来越低。 Given what you had said just before this, I can't help but think that that must say something like, "Your PC are belong to us!" --JorgeA
jaclaz Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) Given what you had said just before this, I can't help but think that that must say something like, "Your PC are belong to us!" Don't forget:http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/all-your-base-are-belong-to-us CATS: You are on the way to destruction.Captain: What you say !!CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time. Though we shouldn't be worried by the machines getting self awareness as ... jaclaz Edited May 23, 2015 by jaclaz
dencorso Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 Well, Italian has the added problem that words ending in o/a have plurals in i/e, while in Portuguese and Spanish they do it in os/as.Anyway, here in Brazil its getting popular the use of "@" as a way to avoid a surge of new laws, just as you envisaged for Italy... So... A really creative MS Italian translator (is that such a creature? I really doubt any creative creatures still work for MS at this point in time...) could come out with: "Il tuo account, bell@," ... ... As for expressing respect in English, I'd strongly suggest "Your Lightbursting Person" as a very politically correct translation of "clarissimus vir".
NoelC Posted May 23, 2015 Author Posted May 23, 2015 I can't help but think that that must say something like, "Your PC are belong to us!" --JorgeA You may not have realized that you can do quick translations with Internet Explorer (I think version 9 or newer, though don't quote me on this)... -Noel
Kelsenellenelvian Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 ^^ WHAT??!!!??? Birthday and telephone number??? Here are the screens. I could not find a way through without entering them. This screen grab sequence illustrates... The weird thing is that after having gone through all of the above, the system rebooted and I had to go through some parts of the install again where it asked for not only my Microsoft account info, but also had me enter local account info. Once the dust settled from THAT, and the system finished installing, amazingly, I'm logged in with local account info - which was my intent all along. Microsoft has published that we should not expect to see big things in the remaining builds, but rather should expect stabilization and tidying up (no surprise with a summer release approaching). However... I don't sense a lot of tidying up in this! -Noel Just remember we are the "paranoid, conspiracy nuts"
dencorso Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 How many MS accounts "John Doe", born on 1/1/1970, do exist? Or, if they don't, what prevents one from creating them?
Kelsenellenelvian Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 It's like my email at all of the places that require you provide a email address to enable the link, they all know me as "bob@gotohell.com"
bphlpt Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 Google thinks my "name" is j d - ie John Doe. At places that require address info for registration or whatever I usually something like:Last Name: HlptFirst Name: BpCompany: Blank Ind. Ltd.Street: P.O. BoxCity: CityCountry: USAI often have to use a "real" email address if they send either a software license key or website registration acknowledgement via email. When I don't want to use my regular email address I can either create a throw-away one, or I also have one that I almost never check so I don't care how much spam it gets - "myjunkforme@_____". It's just the principle of the thing.Cheers and Regards
jaclaz Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 Well, since the stupid google wants me to have a google id in order to access the stupid google play (android), I do have one, and since google asked me to provide Name and Surname I managed to have one in the form of NameAndSurnameXXX (as the plainer Name And Surname was already taken by a faster peep). jaclaz
NoelC Posted May 24, 2015 Author Posted May 24, 2015 Country: USA You live in the USA too? What street? -Noel
JorgeA Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) I can't help but think that that must say something like, "Your PC are belong to us!" --JorgeA You may not have realized that you can do quick translations with Internet Explorer (I think version 9 or newer, though don't quote me on this)... -Noel Huh, I'm not sure that I'd ever tried selecting a piece of text on a webpage and right-clicking on it. I'm on IE8 in my Vista system. Doing that there brought up a context menu with (among other things) a choice to "Translate with Live Search," whatever that is. EDIT: Even the hovering action works. Learned something new today, thanks! BTW, another option in the context menu is to perform a search with my chosen search engine. Now, isn't that feature something they're touting in Spartan/Edge as a cool new capability of Cortana that'll help to win people over to Microsoft's Metro/Modern/Universal browser? And yet it was already there in IE8. Hmm, maybe I'll see if anybody has pointed this out on the Insider forums, and post it if nobody has. It'd be interesting to see how the fanbois reacted to the news. --JorgeA P.S. The sentiment in Chinese is right on the money. Edited May 24, 2015 by JorgeA
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