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Post 42 has no url so i google it and it brought me back to mfsn where there was an MGDX mirror where i downloaded AP2007.EXE is this correct? i know ie 6 and dx9 can be DLed with a google search.
1 - read above post

2 - already included (get it and look it over) ;)

There's a lot of "extras" included. Many of which will need updated (again, look at the contents and learn some BAT scripting).

P.S. - AutoPatcher98 will not run from CD-ROM without modification (a different project). It's not necessary to actually run the Installers - they are created with Inno Setup and can be extracted with the Universal Extractor (links on MSFN somewhere or Google it). Just extract both then cut/paste contents of second over top of the first - Voila!

BTW, for those looking at the latest 98SE Service pack, you could compare the two to help decide (haven't tried it yet but looks promising...).

Note - UBCD does not include most "extras" - its intent is to just get you "up-to-date" (as of the last release). And a note... I wouldn't trust the contents of the Win98 folder - USE YOUR OWN!!!! (At first glance, it looks "fishy"...) I'll dig around (later... busy repairing relatives' PC's right now) and see what the difference is between it and the previous version (untrammeled)...

Edit - No OFFICIAL UBCD included the contents of WIN98 folder. v4.60 was a Full set. v4.61 was an Update and included the Driver Packs. v4.62 was an update. Apparently I missed v4.7. V4.8 was a full set. v4.8 mentioned above is apparently a conglomerate of "official" :unsure: (just mentioned) and some other files in the Win98 folder(?) so again, BE FOREWARNED! - Rather not beat up on UBCD too much until a later date. Just use it as an EXAMPLE for you project for now - Don't ask any further questions about this as I have no knowledge of the reason for the Topic being removed and Mods/Supervisors won't respond. CLOSED! -

edit2 - ANOTHER FOERWARNING! The WPI is a "special" version by Kel for this project. DO NOT use any other version!!!!

edit3 - (cough) additional modules (cough) that may not be trustworthy. Best bet... AVOID IT until further notice. Stick with the "Update" packages instead...

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If several people are interested I might start going through it this weekend and see what I have here, post a list, see what needs to be further updated and eventually upload stuff somewhere, I guess having a few downloads for official updates and linking to MDGx's site for unofficial stuff.

Count me in as one who's interested! We never know when we'll have to reinstall the OS.

BTW, many of the updates may be USA English.

It'll be helpful if all of the files in the package are in the same language and materials in other languages are separated out, to avoid surprises.

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It'll be helpful if all of the files in the package are in the same language and materials in other languages are separated out, to avoid surprises.

Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer, they're either USA English or some International version that includes USA English. I'd suspect mostly just USA English. As for users preferring or needing other languages, perhaps once we get all the info straight, someone could put together downloads for said languages.

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Okay, looking at this CD I have things divided up, Bear in mind this stuff was for 98SE

The first thing I did is install IE 6 SP1 (install separately)

Next, I have an update package that includes (listed in the order that I have the BAT file installing them):

811630USA8.EXE

823559USA8.EXE

323172USA8.EXE

273991USA8.EXE

259728USA8.EXE

256015usa8.exe

245729us8.exe

238453US8.EXE

q313829.exe

Windows98-KB891711-ENU.EXE

323255USA8.EXE

329115USA8.EXE

888113USA8.EXE

Windows98-KB896358-ENU.EXE

IE-KB891781-EN.exe

Windows98-KB908519-ENU.EXE

Windows-KB913433-ENU.exe

MSJav.exe

OE6.0sp1-KB837009-x86-ENU.exe

IE6.0sp1-KB916281-Windows-98-ME-ENU.exe

IE6.0sp1-KB918439-Windows-98-ME-ENU.exe

Windows98-KB918547-ENU.exe

Windows9X-KB917344-enu.exe

InstMsiA.exe

Then I have MDAC_TYP_281.EXE (install separately)

Then WMP 9 (install separately)

Then I have one more package with the following files

242975USA8.EXE

243450USA8.EXE

260067USA8.EXE

273017USA8.EXE

4756us8.exe

euro.exe

MSagent.exe

Nm30.exe

MDAC_Fix.exe

WindowsMedia9-KB917734-Win9x-ENU.exe

WM9Codecs9x.exe

wmp6cdcs.exe

vbrun60sp6.exe

VisualBasic6-KB896559-v1-ENU.exe

Jet40SP8_9xNT.exe

dotnetfx.exe

DXSETUP.exe (see note below)

START.WAV (see note)

unicows.dll (see note)

unicows.pdb (see note)

Note I have the DirectX setup extracted in this folder, DXSETUP.exe starts it.

The BAT file copies Start.wav to the Windows\Media folder and the unicows files to both the system and system32 folders.

I'm going to look through everything else I have and see if what's there is official or not.

I think these are official too:

KB904706-DX9-ENU.exe

gdidettool.exe

MSGAMES.cab (some kind of update for sol.exe, freecell, winmine, mshearts, and cards.dll)

IE6.0sp1-KB823353-x86-ENU.exe

273727usa8.exe

Microsoft xml CORE SERVICES (MSXML) 3.0 Service PACK 5

Microsoft xml CORE SERVICES (MSXML) 4.0

kb887606_msxml4.0_x86.exe

and a couple of vcredist_x86.exe (I believe the latest on the CD is 2005).

After going through this stuff, I realize that I later made some modifications and saved it on another CD that got destroyed, I could really kick myself. A few things that I can see:

MSAJAVA isn't necessary and should probably be removed from any system. The DotNet Framework is version 2.0, obviously not necessary and I believe there's at least a SP1. Start.wav came from the Start Sound Navigation Update, I found it easier just to copy the file then use the update. Same with Unicows, just easier to store in my zip and copy the files. Netmeeting should probably just get yanked from any system too, I'm sure using it is another necessary risk. I'm going to check the unofficial updates that I have and just link to MDGx's site (he'll probably have newer versions anyway).

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Okay, now the unofficial updates that are on the CD, I'm providing the updated versions where appropriate:

1. http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q918547.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/files/U918547.TXT)

2. http://www.mdgx.com/files/OLEUP.EXE (Polish and Italian updates here: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#OLE)

3. http://www.mdgx.com/files/DXM9X.EXE (Requires IE6 - Polish, Italian and IE5 available here: http://www.mdgx.com/dx.htm)

4. http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#HHU)

5. http://www.mdgx.com/files/RICHED9X.EXE (info and Polish download: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#RTF)

6. http://www.mdgx.com/files/TTFPAK.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TTF)

Some of these will be available in PROBLEMCHYLD's update of Gape's Service Pack

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Okay, now the unofficial updates that are on the CD, I'm providing the updated versions where appropriate:

1. http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q918547.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/files/U918547.TXT)

2. http://www.mdgx.com/files/OLEUP.EXE (Polish and Italian updates here: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#OLE)

3. http://www.mdgx.com/files/DXM9X.EXE (Requires IE6 - Polish, Italian and IE5 available here: http://www.mdgx.com/dx.htm)

4. http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#HHU)

5. http://www.mdgx.com/files/RICHED9X.EXE (info and Polish download: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#RTF)

6. http://www.mdgx.com/files/TTFPAK.EXE (info: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TTF)

Some of these will be available in PROBLEMCHYLD's update of Gape's Service Pack

All are included except IE6 updates.
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Post 42 has no url so i google it and it brought me back to mfsn where there was an MGDX mirror where i downloaded AP2007.EXE is this correct? i know ie 6 and dx9 can be DLed with a google search.

That will be the last full version of Autopatcher, from December 2007.

It should be a 286 MB file.

However there was a 45 MB update version subsequently released in December 2008, which was the last issued.

You need the full version installed before you can apply the update version.

:)

ahh i see they never got a around to making a ful version 2008.

Link for those wondering about post #42

http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#AP98

EDIT: i see NUSB is just under the updates, i tried a usb drive patch once it never really worked i had to reboot with the drive in and then after removing it would only work if reboot and if i was lucky enough to have the same drive letter assigned, as that drive letter was for ever stuck in my computer and would only work if things were just right. i was using a san disk cruzer. not sure f it was NUSB i used or not. never had the best of luck with usb drives on that machine with 98se.

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@PROBLEMCHYLD - Sorry to ask what is probably a dumb question, but could you please remind me why your newest pack does not include IE6 and its updates? Also, when I look at MGDX's site I get overwhelmed with all the choices, even though I appreciate having the options when necessary. That's why I really love the idea of your newest update pack project. So after using your pack, what other unofficial choices are left that you did not include and when would they be appropriate to use as well? Are there others that should NOT be used with your pack due to conflicts etc? I assume that 98SE2ME would not be appropriate, but Revolutions Pack? Is the latest KernelEX included? Can/should it be used with your pack? Sorry for the noob questions, but I've got a friend with a old system that this might be perfect for.

Cheers and Regards

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@PROBLEMCHYLD - Sorry to ask what is probably a dumb question, but could you please remind me why your newest pack does not include IE6 and its updates? Also, when I look at MGDX's site I get overwhelmed with all the choices, even though I appreciate having the options when necessary. That's why I really love the idea of your newest update pack project. So after using your pack, what other unofficial choices are left that you did not include and when would they be appropriate to use as well? Are there others that should NOT be used with your pack due to conflicts etc? I assume that 98SE2ME would not be appropriate, but Revolutions Pack? Is the latest KernelEX included? Can/should it be used with your pack? Sorry for the noob questions, but I've got a friend with a old system that this might be perfect for.

Cheers and Regards

That's not the goal of the update. Some people use IE6, IE5, and some don't. (IE is not mandatory)

The main objective of this SP3 is to have everything that is needed for future installations.

Therefore, you only have to check what is needed and have a fully updated system.

I'm working on a final build, but I need more feedback from others before I go any further.

Anything that requires KernelEX will NOT be added.

Things that won't be added

Internet Explorer

Visual Studio

Visual C++

Visual Basic

Microsoft Data Access Components

Jet 4.0

.NET Framework

VC_R_70.EXE

VC_R_71.EXE

VC_R_7X.EXE

VC_R_9X.EXE

VCREDI.EXE

VCREDIST.EXE

VS6SP6U.EXE

Things that are left to add (some will make it, some won't)

CMD.EXE

DCM9XCFG.EXE

DMA_ON.EXE

DST_9XME.EXE

HELPHLP.EXE

IEXPRESS.EXE

MAKECAB.EXE

MAKECAB.OVL

MSAGENT.EXE

NUSB.EXE

SCBASE.EXE

SETUP_C2171F2DDB41E6F39078294DFEFC909933E4A23C.EXE

TTFEXT.EXE

USB20DRV.EXE

WEXTRACT.EXE

WIA11.EXE

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Also, when I look at MGDX's site I get overwhelmed with all the choices, even though I appreciate having the options when necessary. That's why I really love the idea of your newest update pack project.

I have the same reaction to MDGx's site -- it's wonderful to have this available, but the impression I get when I go there is that there are far too many choices, each one seemingly telling me that it contains "all" of the latest "essential" updates, hotfixes, etc., plus unofficial updates. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that I'm wrong about the facts, but I am not wrong about the impression I get when I visit the site. It's just confusing -- there is a lot to sort out, and I don't know what's what.

Personally, I'd like to see one single pack that would take Win98 and/or Win98SE (I use both, on different computers) from its fresh-install state to the end of the official Microsoft Updates in July 2006 -- and then a completely separate single pack that contains whatever improvements and fixes that people outside Microsoft have come up with since then. (For all I know, these are already available there, but I can't tell for sure. Maybe the site just needs to be reorganized in an easier-to-follow manner.)

Ideally, the "up till 2006" pack would enable the user to selectively install updates, just the like original MS page did. (For example, I'm not necessarily interested in installing the Turkish or Korean language help packs.) But the most important thing is to have the official MS updates clearly labeled and kept separate from the unofficial updates.

--JorgeA

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JorgeA, I agree an all-in-one update would be nice. That's kind of what that AutoPatcher is that someone's mentionting is, but it totally screwed my system in the past. I don't necessarily think it's the best approach to take. The stuff mentioned in my post (#65) above were what I downloaded around the time MS stopped supporting Windows 98 SE.

I should mention Gape's service Pack has always worked well for me, but it doesn't have *everything*.

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