installing to 110gb partition, couldn't find good info

[cdoublejj]

i installed just ubuntu on the entire drive and it maxed at 275.5gb free space. i had an idea of using hidden partitions maybe it would make the installers use one partition ie the windows partition then i could redo the hidden partitions in fat32. also think i'm gonna try manually partitioning it again but with the linux right next to the 98 partition does the swap need to be before or after the linux partition?

[LoneCrusader]

i installed just ubuntu on the entire drive and it maxed at 275.5gb free space. i had an idea of using hidden partitions maybe it would make the installers use one partition ie the windows partition then i could redo the hidden partitions in fat32. also think i'm gonna try manually partitioning it again but with the linux right next to the 98 partition does the swap need to be before or after the linux partition?

Linux will "see" all partitions on your disk whether they are hidden or not.

As far as I know, the location of the swap partition does not matter.

I know someone is going to disagree with this or say it's the "wrong" way, , but it is also possible to create a swap file instead of a swap partition if one so desires. I have a swap partition for my Linux on this machine, but I have started using a swap file on other systems I set up.

[cdoublejj]

i installed just ubuntu on the entire drive and it maxed at 275.5gb free space. i had an idea of using hidden partitions maybe it would make the installers use one partition ie the windows partition then i could redo the hidden partitions in fat32. also think i'm gonna try manually partitioning it again but with the linux right next to the 98 partition does the swap need to be before or after the linux partition?

Linux will "see" all partitions on your disk whether they are hidden or not.

As far as I know, the location of the swap partition does not matter.

I know someone is going to disagree with this or say it's the "wrong" way, , but it is also possible to create a swap file instead of a swap partition if one so desires. I have a swap partition for my Linux on this machine, but I have started using a swap file on other systems I set up.

i see. some one on the ubuntu forums suggested i install 98 on a small drive then mirror it on to my big drive.

EDIT: am looking through this atm, wow some good info i missed. scary stuff about corrupting your other partitions.

well looky there it supports dual layer dvd thats good cause i plan on installing one.I plan on upgrading this laptop to the max.

if i install the large hhd support driver will windows updates mess up or mess up the new large hdd driver? in short will it conflict with official updates?

did some reading today the drive is apparently only really 298gb i could have swore i had more my first several times partitioning it. i used partition logic on the laptop it's going on then in a tower both max it at 298 man i could have really used that 22gb. maybe the bios just sees it wierd since it's only like 10gb off seeing as it was 275gb or so free plus ubuntu plus the swap about 280gb.

Edited April 1, 2010 by cdoublejj

[Guest wsxedcrfv]

Windows 98 is limited to 137GB as well. A Patched Driver is needed to support larger Hard Drives.

You can't make a blanket statement like that.

That statement is only true (without qualifications) if the drive is an ATA-PATA (aka IDE) drive.

If the drive is SATA, then because win-98 did not come with SATA drivers, then windows 98 does not typically have size limitations using the SATA drivers that come with the SATA controller or SATA-equipped motherboard.

It is not safe to use your 320GB Hard Drive unless all FAT16 and FAT32 Partitions are entirely within the first 137GB of your Hard Drive, and your last (Non-FAT) Partition starts below 137GB.

Again, that only applies if the drive is PATA / IDE. If the drive is SATA, then no special modified drivers are required.

[rloew]

Windows 98 is limited to 137GB as well. A Patched Driver is needed to support larger Hard Drives.

You can't make a blanket statement like that.

That statement is only true (without qualifications) if the drive is an ATA-PATA (aka IDE) drive.

If the drive is SATA, then because win-98 did not come with SATA drivers, then windows 98 does not typically have size limitations using the SATA drivers that come with the SATA controller or SATA-equipped motherboard.

It is not safe to use your 320GB Hard Drive unless all FAT16 and FAT32 Partitions are entirely within the first 137GB of your Hard Drive, and your last (Non-FAT) Partition starts below 137GB.

Again, that only applies if the drive is PATA / IDE. If the drive is SATA, then no special modified drivers are required.

Windows 9X, using it's own Drivers, IS limited to 137GB.

Patching the Driver, or adding third party software can extend the limit.

With additional Patching, the Windows 9X Driver can also handle SATA.

The 320GB Drive cdoublejj is using comes in PATA and SATA versions. He does not say which kind it is.

If it is PATA, and he is not using a third party driver, my warning still applies.

Under some circumstances, Windows will attempt to install SATA Drives with the standard driver.

[cdoublejj]

it is indeed pata. the problem is now even after reformatting i can't get win 98 to boot it won't even try the bios acts as if it doesn't see any thing, so installed ubuntu grub error 18. maybe the drive is bad? i've install98 like 5 times now at least before i could get it to boot.

[Guest wsxedcrfv]

Windows 9X, using it's own Drivers, IS limited to 137GB.

Windows 9x IDE driver (esdi_506.pdr) is limited to 137 gb.

Windows 9x does not use esdi_506.pdr on sata drives when the motherboard is not performing SATA->IDE translation.

In that mode, win-9x will either use an installed SATA driver (if available) or will resort to DOS-compatibility mode (int 13h function calls). Both of which do not require patching to be win-9x compatible.

Under some circumstances, Windows will attempt to install SATA Drives with the standard driver.

If you mean that win-9x will attempt to use esdi_506.pdr to access a SATA drive that is not being remapped as an IDE drive by the system bios, I have never seen that situation happen.

[dencorso]

one as far as the bios i know with earlier 2805 models there is no bios patch for it and with this one there isn't a bios update that mentions any thing about hdd support

Either you get a modded BIOS that supports 48-bit LBA or you add a DDO. If you do neither, all your efforts will be wasted, sooner or later, unless you desist from using a > 137 GB HDD as the boot disk. That's all there is to it.

[rloew]

Windows 9X, using it's own Drivers, IS limited to 137GB.

Windows 9x IDE driver (esdi_506.pdr) is limited to 137 gb.

Windows 9x does not use esdi_506.pdr on sata drives when the motherboard is not performing SATA->IDE translation.

In that mode, win-9x will either use an installed SATA driver (if available) or will resort to DOS-compatibility mode (int 13h function calls). Both of which do not require patching to be win-9x compatible.

True, but then it is not using it's own Driver.

Under some circumstances, Windows will attempt to install SATA Drives with the standard driver.

If you mean that win-9x will attempt to use esdi_506.pdr to access a SATA drive that is not being remapped as an IDE drive by the system bios, I have never seen that situation happen.

I did say "some circumstances". This means IDE Mode.

IDE Mode is not a translation or remapping. It is one of the protocols supported by the SATA Controller.

[cdoublejj]

well i want 98 to run on 10gb or so partition but whats weird is i can't even get 98 to boot after install any more. maybe i just need to pull the battery for a little bit.

[cdoublejj]

well i managed to get ME install yesterday. when trying to over write with 98se it refused and told me i needed an upgrade. i used to be able to install98 and have it boot however it stopped booting after install so i tried the Toshiba me restore disk. is the any draw back from Me other than more ram usage? i think the ram usaged might make it or break it when trying to run cutting edge games of the time. the ram is maxed out at 384mb.