jaclaz Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Just for the sake of the discussion, let's say that Vista is the bestOSever.Can we say that even if it is the best one and has no matches, it could be made even a tiny bit better? Are we allowed to "whine" a little about the, rest assured very very few, things that might have been or that can be made better? jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deda Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 If the market was reverse, MAC 90% MS 2%, the topic will be too!The move to Intel plataform is a try to get market, by piracy, believe me! The same way that happened with Windows 3.0, 3.1, they were almost free, became a natural choice and along the time a "habit" (I love it!) and the PC platform made the (big) difference. A lot of hardware to choose, not overpriced; software idem; no users worried about "social status"; The platform is just fair, affordable, easy, encourager, etc.Please, don't compare monkeys and bananas, they belong to different slots Of course, English isn't my native idiom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Please, don't compare monkeys and bananas, they belong to different slots Of course, English isn't my native idiom.The English form is "to compare apples with oranges", but it has been scientifically debunked:http://www.improb.com/airchives/paperair/v...1-3-apples.htmljaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Can we say that even if it is the best one and has no matches, it could be made even a tiny bit better? Is that a rhetorical question? Of course nothing is truly perfect (nor 100% future proof). Everything can be improved.Are we allowed to "whine" a little about the, rest assured very very few, things that might have been or that can be made better?Everybody has their own complaints about any version of Windows -- sometimes very good points actually. Personally, my main complaint about Vista is about Aero Glass. I was hoping for something more like compiz fusion (viewports/virtual desktops, on a cube if possible, with various "task switchers", a expose-like thing, window grouping, windows that can roll up and all that, and why not some nice animations too?) But instead it needs a recent video card (plus more RAM for desktop composing) for truly fugly transparent title bars, some thumbnails in the taskbar, and Flip3D seemingly. So I use the Vista Basic theme instead. It's funny how people all said Vista was just eye candy, and that's the one place where it actually fails to deliver...But, some people (like one poster whose nick I won't even mention) don't really have any real points, other than the same old whining that we've been hearing since, well, forever pretty much. Nothing will ever make them happy, and they'll always be whining. It's not the same thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaclaz Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) @crahakOK, so are we allowed to say that the bestOSever has Aero Glass that sucks?GOOD. Can we also say that everyone has a right to express his opinion about the bestOSever, or is it considered whining if it touches anything you personally like (or think is superior as compared to ...) in Vista? jaclaz Edited June 30, 2008 by jaclaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Can we also say that everyone has a right to express his opinion bestOSeverSure. But up to the point where all some members seem to do on this forum, is bashing Vista (without having a point either)? There's having some complaints, and there's incessant compulsive endless bashing...is it considered whining if it touches anything you personally like (or think is superior as compared to ...) in Vista? It's not about what I like. It's about "not being the same old whining we're all tired to hear", and having actual valid points instead for a change.They were saying the EXACT SAME crap about Win3.x, and Win95, then 98, (ok, criticism of ME is forgiven ), then 2k, XP, and now Vista. That whining got old YEARS ago.There's plenty of things that could be improved/be better, and lots of little issues with various things -- no shortage of it, like for any previous version of windows.What some people seemingly want, is an older version of windows ("simple" -- as in "without the new stuff", and "super duper lightweight" as in "an older version"). I think they should just use MS DOS 3.3 or CP/M if that's what they're looking for, and stop the endless whining and negativity for once.Edit: And it's not just a Vista thing. I get just as annoyed by people doing the same old whining about XP, but they've mostly stopped by now. Hell, I can't wait for v7 to come out now, just so they change their whining to "Windows 7 sucks!" -- just for a change. And we already know what they'll be whining about too...Edit2: actually, for a different analogy: I don't like new games, I think they're too complicated, the focus is too much on the graphics instead of the game play, and then I could whine about vid card requirements too (hey, doom ran on a 486 without a 3D accelerated card, so no game should need this surely? I mean, it just displays stuff, right?) But guess what? I don't register on gaming forums, to whine about those things everyday. In fact, you won't ever hear me whine about that (besides this time, as an example). You want new games? You buy the new vid card and live with the new ways. You don't like them like me? Than you just don't play them -- NOT go on forums whine non-stop about how much they suck, how the FPS sucks on a 500$ vid card, how the old ones were more fun, and how games should be exactly like they were 10 years ago and only then would people like it and want to buy them, that you need a PC less than a year old to run them, that new games are too expensive, etc. Edited June 30, 2008 by crahak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredledingue Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Xzian, What I wanted to say was not to go back to w98. Of course that trying w98 on new hardware is a nightmare if not totaly impossible (we know it too well at the w98 forum! -LOL-). I talked about an Windows XP/Vista as simple and as fast as w98.It doesn't mean without driver support or without all the cool stuffs.W98, as a concept is much simplier for a home user than XP or Vista. In fact, it can't be simplier to use and maintain.About coding, yes, when one piece of code doesn't change anything since the time gain is counted in milliseconds, sure there is no point losing time optimizing it. Maybe, with Vista all piece of code taken separately looks fine as their ineficiency is irrelevant when the process is run alone, but weight on the performance when everything is bundled together?The worse about Vista and XP too, is that much of the poor ferformance doesn't come from the code itself (AFAIK there is nothing to tell about it) or from the bloat, but from default settings.If M$ can't iptimize the code in a realistical manner and is pathologicaly allergical in reducing installation size, they could at least try to set system default "for good performance".Crahak,Vista fares much worse than XP, althought numbers would seem to tell otherwise.XP was out barely two years after w2000 and 3 years after 98SE (yes 3 years, seems short isn't it?). But the world has been waiting Vista for 5 years and half.If Vista was so advanced a technology, we would expect everyone massively switching from obsolete XP to Vista.That didn't happen.In term of pure sales numbers, the market is many times larger today than 5 years ago. Also every new computer (PC and Laptop) were being shipped with Vista pre-installed practicaly as soon as it was released. That was not as radical for XP.Talking about apples and oranges...Know I have a question:Why everytime we critic the last Windows release, there are poeple like you who, version after version, repeate exactely the same things again and again, to tell how the last is the best, how the old one was a PoS and how our words makes no sens.It's boring, because we can never have a normal discussion on what is good and what is bad with Windows.We are not here to bash Vista! (Did I bash Vista?) We are here to express our ideas as to how to improve it.This constant and obsessive defense of the last windows version commercialised, starts to grow old.I can already hear, when windows 7 will be out, how you will tell us that Vista was such PoS, that w7 does so many more things and so on... edit:I don't like new games, I think they're too complicated, the focus is too much on the graphics instead of the game play, and then I could whine about vid card requirements too ....But guess what? I don't register on gaming forums, to whine about those things everyday.Well, you should! Edited June 30, 2008 by Fredledingue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Vista fares much worse than XP, althought numbers would seem to tell otherwise.Like you say, numbers say otherwise. You have nothing to back that up.If Vista was so advanced a technology, we would expect everyone massively switching from obsolete XP to Vista.And indeed they are, the adoption is much faster than XP.Why everytime we critic the last Windows release, there are poeple like you who, version after version, repeate exactely the same things again and again, to tell how the last is the best, how the old one was a PoS and how our words makes no sens.We don't say it was a POS for the time it was out -- I don't at least. XP is still a fine OS. But by today's standards, some of the older OS'es sure are POS'es.It's boring, because we can never have a normal discussion on what is good and what is bad with Windows.You don't typically have the "normal" argument. You keep saying nobody uses it even the numbers say otherwise, that no apps run (again, blatantly false), that it needs a PC you built like an hour ago to run it (false again), etc. And you're surprised when people refute those claims. You're really asking for it.We are not here to bash Vista! (Did I bash Vista?)Non-stop, yes. And MS ain't listening to you on how to "improve" Windows either.This constant and obsessive defense of the last windows version commercialised, starts to grow old.You see how it feels after merely a week or so? Because the whining got old 10 years ago. Stop spreading lies about it (like how "Microsoft dropped support for its platform" and such nonsense), then people won't defend it.Well, you should! Hell no. That comes down to "being a whiner" or not like I mentioned before. I'm NOT the type that likes to whine and complain non-stop about everything. Besides, that would accomplish exactly NOTHING, except annoying the hell out of everyone. Edited June 30, 2008 by crahak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluberti Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 The flaming will stop, based on rules 7a and 7b of the forum rules. Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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