medicsix Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I'm putting together a dual xeon server. The board can hold up to 8 Gigs of ram, I'm pretty sure XP will only see 3 gigs+, my question is am I correct to assume I would need to install windows server 2000 to get the full ram, the reason I say 2000 is I have a copy of that. Thanks, any advice would be appreciated as I'm new to server building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midi2k6 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 usually upgrading hardwares i would updates service packs and/or hotfixes to support current OS. (better and stable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicsix Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 I always update everything when installing a new system but I don't think that answers my question. I would rather put XP on it but I don't Think I will be able to use all the Memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStacks Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I think the ram limitations have to do with it being a 32bit operating system.If 2000 Server is 64bit, it might be able to adress those extra gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroshift Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 If 2000 Server is 64bit, it might be able to adress those extra gigs.AFAIK Win2k server is NOT 64-bit. Win2k3 is a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStacks Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 If 2000 Server is 64bit, it might be able to adress those extra gigs.AFAIK Win2k server is NOT 64-bit. Win2k3 is a different story Thanks for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntoMX Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 medicsix, you posted in the games section; I moved it to the hardware hangout .For what games you want to use this server? Dual Xeon CPUs is a bit overdone I would say, especially when it’s a dedicated server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmX.Memnoch Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 You are correct in that XP 32-bit can only "see/use" up to 4GB of RAM. The system properties will show anywhere from 3.25GB to 3.75GB depending on the number of PCI cards and the amount of RAM on the video card (if it's a dedicated game server I would hope that you're just using some low-end card).To see/use all 8GB you'd have to use one of the following:Windows XP Professional x64Windows 2000 Advanced Server with PAE enabledWindows 2000 Datacenter Server with PAE enabledWindows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition with PAE enabledWindows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition with PAE enabledWindows Server 2003, Standard x64 EditionWindows Server 2003, Enterprise x64 EditionWindows Server 2003, Datacenter x64 EditionWindows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise Edition with PAE enabledWindows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter Edition with PAE enabledWindows Server 2003 R2, Standard x64 EditionWindows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise x64 EditionWindows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter x64 EditionThe Service Pack level doesn't matter (although you should always use the latest and install all hotfixes). See this page for information on Page Address Extensions (PAE). It's basically a band-aid fix for 32-bit operating systems. To effectively use more than 4GB you need to make sure to go with one of the x64 versions.Dual Xeon CPUs is a bit overdone I would say, especially when it’s a dedicated server.Not true if you're hosting multiple games at the same time, especially with some of the newer games. As I understand it, Crysis can be pretty intense on the server side. Besides, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would much rather have more than enough power (extra CPU cycles in reserve) than not have enough to do the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerwin Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Really? I have a friend that has 12 Gigs of ram and with Windows XP Pro 32bit... But i think he did a lot of hacking of some sort, Unsure, But i saw it.. Windows XP 32bit With 12gigs of ram! believe it or not! (I would send a screen shot, But I don't have one of his system) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmX.Memnoch Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 He had to have done something. XP Pro 32-bit doesn't natively support more than 4GB RAM.http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platf...PAE/PAEmem.mspxWindows XP Professional and Windows Server 2003 Memory Support. The maximum amount of memory that can be supported on Windows XP Professional and Windows Server 2003 is also 4 GB. However, Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition supports 32 GB of physical RAM and Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition supports 64 GB of physical RAM using the PAE feature.PAE mode can be enabled on Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003 SP1 and later versions of Windows to support hardware-enforced DEP. However, many device drivers designed for these systems may not have been tested on system configurations with PAE enabled. In order to limit the impact to device driver compatibility, changes to the hardware abstraction layer (HAL) were made to Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1 Standard Edition to limit physical address space to 4 GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerwin Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yeah well, Thats Microsoft Im not lieing at all, Even all the programs that he downloaded to view how much ram he had, said 12 gigs and Windows XP pro.. I dunno.. hes a geek and a pretty good programmer too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmX.Memnoch Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Are you sure he's not running XP x64?Also, the second quote in my post above isn't correct regarding physical memory...well, it is but that quote specifically talks about page address space (virtual memory) and not physical memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerwin Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 No, its 32bit he hates 64bit for some reason, he said its slower than 32bit. but PC Wizard or other types of software said 32bit version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war59312 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) Most likely he simply converted Windows Server 2003 to look and behavior like Windows XP. Something like: http://win2k3.msfn.org/Anyhow, if you want real proof it can't be done read up on MSDN or simply ask Microsoft in the public newsgroups. WARNING: You might get cursed at pretty badly. lol Edited November 14, 2007 by war59312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluberti Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 AFAIK Win2k server is NOT 64-bit. Win2k3 is a different story Well, that depends. Windows 2000 did ship an ia64 datacenter version for Itanium (64bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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