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hi ptv, a list of SB's that are included in Rollup 1_v2 can be found near the bottom of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891861 a list of KB's included in the same at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900345 822831 is not included in either list, so based on MS data, I would assume it's still hot. Also, it appears to me that Nonno Fabio tears these things apart pretty good as well. You did the same, so i'm clueless -- a true n00b. I do note, for the edification of other n00bs like me, that there are several surprising and unexpected relationships about Microsoft update patches and their KB numbers ... 1st: although it would seem reasonable to assume that a given KB number would have a one-to-one relationship with a particular update file, or with specific dll sets, etc., ... BUT that is in fact NOT the case. The relationship is one KB-to-many Files, and it can also be many KBs-to-many files. Very annoying. Any given KB number may refer to any number of different download pages and different patches. In certain circumstances, a KB number by itself can be almost meaningless. Full identification requires system components installed, and the vulnerabilities involved. For example, 822831 may replace several dlls, depending on components and vulnerabilities, whereas a "superceding" or "replacing" KB, like Rollup 1_v2, might replace only one of the dlls. As to that one dll, Rollup "replaces" 822831. But not as to other components and vulnerabilities that 822831 installed, Rollup does not perform, and thus 822831 might still be hot. 2nd: although it is reasonable to assume that by itself a given file name would be unique, such is NOT the case. MS uses the same file name several different files. As a n00b, that was a really tough one for me to grasp. Again, it depends on components and vulnerabilities treated. The relationship can be one-to-many. To fully indentify an update patch, a circular reference is almost required. For starters, as a n00b, it took me a while to figure out that there are several kinds of KBs. A KB_outer (as I call it) points to an SB. The SB then points to several "familyIDs," depending again on components etc. In some cases up to 20 and more. Each familyID points to a specific download page, which points to a filename, whose subdirs can be constructed from the familyID. The DL page also often points to another KB, which I call KB_inner. To identify a patch fully, one could propose the following sequence: KB_outer > SB > component & vulneratility > DL familyID > KB_inner and filename. Filenames, by themselves, and KB_inners, by themselves, are not necessarily in a one-to-one relationship, KB to filename, though in most cases they are. It's a gigantic hairball, many-to-many relationships all over the place, and I have no doubt that it is intentionnal. Also, KBs don't follow any logical sequence, except what appear to me to be magic number tom foolery (don't ask me to explain). Most important for fellow n00bs like me, was learning that KBs do NOT follow date sequence, and date sequence is what is important when installing.

am going to try AP on a fresh install. It looks like a very well thoughtout collection, that will help to keep 98 going. I'm trying a 2k install, and cannot for the life of me figure out what use groups, and user accounts are. none of that useless commotion will keep Echelon pirates off my hdd, it only confuses the heck out of me -- I install open office, and then can't run macros in 2k that work great in 98! arghh. I was wondering, do I (a) install 98se, then run AP.Dec2007full (to update 98se), then run AP.Dec2008update (to update 98se), or do I (b) run the install 98se, run AP update (to update APfull itself), then run AP full (to update 98se)? I'm going to try installing 98 on a intel chipset core2duo with 2g and a 500g ide-sata. I'll probably partition the hdd with 4 fat extended parts at 120g and 2 10g primaries, one hidden.

Kurt -- as a n00b, I can only say how much I appreciate your w2k tutorial. As to nuts and bolts, it is the clearest yet. since you are one of the main service pack builders -- you may find some of the information at Windows 2000 updates lists compared hopefully helpful, or at least surprising/interesting. in your tutorial linked above, you rename regular patches to put them in sequence in the nLite listbox. I was thinking of building a batch file using the SetFileTime feature in Nir Sofer's open source NirCmd to set the date created and date modified on the update files back to their original dates of release. Patch lists could then be sorted by date of publication (rather than by name, or date downloaded). The list of patch files could then be copied in proper date sequence into the nLite listbox, and we don't have to change their names. That assumes that nLite slipstreams them in the same order as they appear in the listbox, top to bottom. None of the other nLite tutorial writers catch that point. I also wonder how HFSLIP does it, as it uses filenames alone. KB filenames are clearly not in date sequence. I seem to remember several cases where an earlier KB-higher number was superceded by a later KB-lower number. Back to the main point -- Do you know of a tutorial where I can learn how to build nLite service packs/addons for IE6 alone? for .Net alone? etc. Can we make this a tutorial that other nLite nOObs like me could follow, or is that pretty far out there?

johnhc -- I tried running iesetup.exe to no avail. A codebox of the Last Sesssion.ini follows. Sorry but the new upload feature doesn't work on my machine. It hangs my otherwise rock solid W98se + Gape's USP 2.1 + Mozilla, with both javascript and java turned on just to be sure. No big deal, as it's a tiny file -- for proofing I ran only this one install. I think Kurt's right -- IE6 to be compiled into a service pack or an addon. That's what I'd like to learn how to build. HFSLIP does it with batch code, so it's probably doable. An addon just for IE6sp1, or for .Net x, or whatever nLite needs. so they can be added 1 by 1, and the builder can choose his extras. user note: put iesetup.exe from IE6sp1 admin install package in nLite hotfix list box 1st msg box [(X) Internet Explorer 6 setup] Command line option syntax error. Type /? for help. 2nd msg box [nLite] iesetup.exe - This is not expected type of hotfix. Last Session.ini follows: ==== [Main] Env = 1.4.9.1 - 2.0.50727.42.Microsoft Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Target = Windows 2000 Professional SP4 - 5.0.2195.6717 - English (United States) [Tasks] Hotfixes and Update Packs [Components] ;# Compatibility # [KeepFiles] msconfig.exe [RemoveFiles] clock.avi yahoo.bmp swtchbrd.bmp [Options] ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings" TargetPath = "WINNT" temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp AdvTweaks [Patches] [Services2] [Tweaks] [Unattended] ComputerType = Automatic CustomLocales MaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 12 RestorePointLife = 30 DesktopTheme = Default|| AutoUDay = 5 AutoUHour = 15 ProgFilesPath = "\Program Files" [NetAdapter1] connname = "" macaddress = "" ipaddress = "192.168.0.1" subnetmask = "255.255.255.0" defaultgateway = "" dnsserver1 = "" dnsserver2 = "" winsserver = "" netbiossetting = "0" ipxnetworknumber = "00000000" ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF" [GuiRunOnce] [Drivers] [Hotfixes] D:\win2000\Microsoft\2-CoreComponents\IE6sp1_2kXp\ie6setup.exe

thanks for the helping hand a last session ini, if I follow directions, could only contain type 1 and 2 patches updating a w2k-sp4-oem file set. the leadin exe for IE6 installer (iesetup.exe) appears to be a type 2, but it really isn't. it's only the lead file for a whole set of exe, ini and cab files. For all of the tutorials and manpages on the web, I can't find any instruction on how to tell nLite where the IE6 cab sets are. (the IE6 "admin install" is loosely a collection of inis and cabs, which are instantiated from a "iesetup.exe". "iesetup.exe" itself looks like a type 2 -- when expanded it contains a ie6wzd.exe, a type 1 exe.) Kurt Aust on his page, implies that the IE6 install cabs have to be user compiled into an nLite update package or addon package. Most of the packages come with god knows what else, and I'd prefer to roll my own, just the same. I looked for instruction on how to build an IE6-w2k addon for nLite (it can't be that hard) but can't find one. Vier's has a video "tutorial" but on opening his avi in WMP9 in w98se, it MP searches for some webpage somewhere and then returns an error message, "unregistered," but doesn't say what. Kurt Aust's w2k page: http://www.msfn.org/board/HOWTO_fully_date...DVD_t97047.html Vier's CreateurAddOn Pack Maker: http://siginetsoftware.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10 I'm kind of a low risktaker, and usually prefer to follow instructions. Since I haven't seen any instruction on how to nLite the IE6 cab sets, I'll just go ahead and try treating IE6 iesetup.exe as if it is a standard type 2 (which I'm pretty sure isn't). I'll put the related ini, exe and cab files in the same directory with it, and give it a go. Maybe the standard switches will work??? Be back in an hour or so...

a search on nLite and IE6 produced one post, from a few years ago, which asks the same question (but got no answers). from what I can make of it (I am total n00b at NT-think) nLite can't integrate IE6 sp1. Not as a cab file set from Microsoft's admin install for Windows 2000. (I found a video on how to convert a cab set to an addon, but it wouldn't run in my 98se system. couldn't find a html tutorial.) Can I use nLite for updates/upgrades, and HFSLIP for IE6? In that case, could I use nLite to integrate updates from SP4 to Sept 2005 (IE6sp1 release date), then use HFSLIP for IE6, then return to nLite to finish ... in which case I assume the source dir for one will be the output dir for the previous integrator? (Nothing against HFSLIP, but nLite seems simpler and more convenient in that it let's me preserve my database and file structure for updates, upgrades, component addons, etc.) thanks if you can help. big thanks, if nLite can integrate IE6sp1 cab set into 2000!

total noobie^2 here -- I know (or ... think I know!) how to point nLite to OS files (CD dump) (first nLite screen, or so) but where do I tell nLite where the IE7 fix is -- does it go in with all the regular "hotfixes"? If I might ask, what does the IE7 "fix" you are using look like? Is it a single msi, or a group of cab files like the admin install for IE6sp1?

I have [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\G52373<:=] name = %sãú value = cd cd f0 cd might it be put there by the wga validation program, which generates the little cut and paste to download wga stuff? (reactOS is lurking large in the future ...)

Windows 2000 update lists compared Thought it might be of interest to some of the listkeepers. It is not intended as a list for building a system. It was compiled from snapshots of lists taken about 2 months ago, and is slightly out of date (on purpose). Some listkeepers had fewer than 60 updates. Others had over 100. All together they produce 233 links. Some of the QFE hotfixes in Nanno Fabio's list are interesting. seq listkeeper. SB_num KB_num pub_date FileName, or comment component 001 ........M.. --na-- 110806 --/--/-- replaced by 913507 .Net redistributables 002 ....N...... --na-- 180410 --/--/-- (submit request) 2000sp4_environment 003 ....N...... --na-- 282784 01/16/02 Q282784_W2K_spl_X86_EN.exe 2000sp4_Qfecheck 004 ..........R --na-- 290887 03/29/04 VB6.0-KB290887-X86.exe VB6sp6_RTEs 005 .....T..... --na-- 316992 --/--/-- (list only) WMP 006 ....N...... --na-- 324446 08/05/04 FIX125036 (SP5) 2000sp4_Terminal Services 007 .....T..... --na-- 326489 --/--/-- (list only) IE6sp1 008 ........M.. 02-050 329115 --/--/-- replaced by (planned for SP4) IE6sp1 009 ........M.. 03-008 814078 03/19/03 js56nen.exe 2000sp4_script engine 010 ....N...... --na-- 815316 10/24/03 PKG47820 (SP5) 2000sp4_Atapi 011 ....N...... --na-- 818383 10/23/03 PKG45427 (SP5) 2000sp4_power mgmt 012 ....N...... --na-- 822831 08/13/03 Windows2000-KB822831-x86-ENU.exe 2000sp4_oem drivers 013 ....N...... --na-- 823442 10/24/03 PKG49523 (SP5) 2000sp4_WMI 014 ...C.T..... --na-- 823490 09/09/04 msxml2.msi 2000sp4_MSDE 015 ....N...... --na-- 823658 11/07/03 FIX62550 (SP5) 2000sp4_RIS 016 ....N...... --na-- 824025 01/30/04 FIX48772 (SP5) 2000sp4_audio 017 ..........R 04-030 824151 --/--/-- replaced by 04-012.828741, then by 891861 (Rollup1_v2) XML WebDAV 018 ....N...... --na-- 827475 05/10/06 FIX50520 (SP5) 2000sp4_NTbackup 019 ..........R --na-- 828026 02/10/04 WindowsMedia-Q828026-x86-ENU.exe WMP_scripts 020 ....N...... --na-- 830460 05/11/04 FIX100643 (SP5) 2000sp4_multithreading 021 ....N...... --na-- 831375 --/--/-- replaced by 891861 (Rollup1_v2) 2000sp4_CHKDSK 022 ....N...... --na-- 831694 03/31/04 FIX92228 (SP5) 2000sp4_IDE controller 023 ....N...... --na-- 831740 11/13/03 FIX49191 (SP5) 2000sp4_backup 024 ....N...... --na-- 832004 11/26/03 FIX60670 (SP5) 2000sp4_date time 025 ..........R --na-- 832353 04/21/04 WindowsMedia-KB832353-ENU.exe WMP (all versions) 026 ...CN...... 04-004 832414 --/--/-- replaced by 887606 XML_HTTP 027 ........MFR 04-028 833989 09/20/04 IE6.0sp1-KB833989-x86-ENU.exe IE6sp1 028 ....N...... --na-- 836726 04/21/04 FIX92665 (SP5) 2000sp4_FileProtect service 029 ....N...... --na-- 838141 --/--/-- replaced by 891861 (Rollup1_v2) 2000sp4_Route.exe 030 ..A.N.....R --na-- 839228 11/21/06 Windows2000-KB839228-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_winsock 031 .......S... 04-024 839645 --/--/-- replaced by 891861 (Rollup1_v2) 2000sp4_Shell API 032 ....N...... --na-- 840172 04/16/04 FIX94637 (SP5) 2000sp4_docking 033 JGACNT....R --na-- 842773 02/22/05 Windows2000-KB842773-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_BITS+HTTP 034 ....N...... --na-- 843503 06/16/04 FIX109065 (SP5) 2000sp4_Intel chipset 035 J.......M.R 04-028 867460 08/30/04 NDP1.1sp1-KB867460-X86.exe .Net 1.1 036 ..........R 04-028 867461 08/30/04 NDP1.0sp3-KB867461-X86-Enu.exe .Net 1.0 037 J.......... 04-028 873374 08/30/04 gdidettool.exe 2000sp4_GDI+ tool 038 ....N...... --na-- 873437 07/20/04 FIX117109 (SP5) 2000sp4_CHKDSK 039 ....N...... --na-- 883528 08/17/04 FIX126169 (SP5) 2000sp4_USB printer 040 .........FR 04-028 886179 10/11/04 JournalViewer1.5_KB886179_ENU.exe Windows Journal Viewer 041 ..A........ 05-004 886903 --/--/-- replaced by 07-040.928366 .Net 1.1 sp1 042 ...CNT..... --na-- 887606 10/23/04 msxml2sp6-kb887606-x86-enu.exe XML 2 sp6 043 .....T..... --na-- 887606 06/23/05 msxml3.msi XML 3 sp5 044 ..........R --na-- 887606 12/09/04 msxml4sp2-kb887606-x86-enu.exe XML 4 sp2 045 ....N...... --na-- 888111 10/03/05 UAA_HD_Audio_OOB_update (XP_SP2) UAA HD Audio 1.0 046 J.ACNT..M.R --na-- 890830 12/09/08 windows-kb890830-v2.4.exe Malicious Software 047 J.ACNT..... --na-- 891122 05/04/05 WindowsMedia9-KB891122-x86-Global-ENU.exe 2000sp4_DRM+MFR9 048 JGACNT..M.R --na-- 891861 09/13/05 Windows2000-KB891861-v2-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_rollup1v2 049 ....N...... --na-- 892211 05/18/07 Webfldrs-KB907306-ENU.exe WebDAV folders, see 907306 050 ....N...... --na-- 892294 01/17/05 FIX149906 (SP5) 2000sp4_WMI 051 ....N...... --na-- 893627 03/10/05 Q893627 (IE6_SP1) IE6sp1_admin 052 JGACNT.SMFR 05-040 893756 08/08/05 Windows2000-KB893756-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4 053 JG.CNT....R --na-- 893803 09/02/05 WindowsInstaller-KB893803-v2-x86.exe Installer 3.1v2 054 .........F. 05-024 894320 05/09/05 Windows2000-KB894320-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Explorer 055 ..A.N...... --na-- 894395 11/14/05 Windows2000-KB894395-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Japanese 056 ..A.N...... --na-- 895181 04/02/05 windowsmedia-kb895181-x86-enu.exe WMP9_MGEG4 057 JGACNT.SMFR 05-026 896358 06/13/05 Windows2000-KB896358-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_HTML Help 058 ..A....SMFR 05-027 896422 06/13/05 Windows2000-KB896422-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_SMB 059 JGACNT.SMFR 05-043 896423 08/08/05 Windows2000-KB896423-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Print spooler 060 .........FR 05-033 896428 06/14/05 SFU35-KB896428-X86-ENU.exe SFU3.5_Telnet 061 ..........R --na-- 896559 04/27/05 VisualBasic6-KB896559-v1-ENU.exe VB6_Common Controls 062 ....N...... --na-- 896674 05/16/05 FIX158975 (SP5) 2000sp4_NTFS 063 ....N...... --na-- 898465 09/22/05 FIX160433 (SP5) 2000sp4_SCSI 064 ....N...... --na-- 899019 05/04/05 FIX157671 (SP5) 2000 Exchange server 065 J.......... --na-- 899283 08/12/08 messenger.msi Messenger 5.1 066 .....T..... --na-- 899456 05/10/05 MDAC_TYP.EXE MDAC 2.8 sp1 067 JGACNT.SMFR 05-042 899587 08/08/05 Windows2000-KB899587-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_PKINIT 068 JGACNT.SMFR 05-046 899589 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB899589-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CSNW 069 JGACN...MFR 05-041 899591 08/08/05 Windows2000-KB899591-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_RDP 070 JG.CNT.SMFR 05-049 900725 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB900725-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Shell+Explorer 071 JGACNT.SMFR 05-048 901017 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB901017-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CDO 072 JGACNT.SMFR 05-036 901214 07/12/05 Windows2000-KB901214-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CMM 073 ....N...... --na-- 904711 08/09/05 FIX167373 + FIX165130 (SP5) 2000sp4 as server 074 JGACNT.SMFR 05-045 905414 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB905414-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_NCM 075 J.ACNT..MFR 05-044 905495 10/10/05 IE6.0sp1-KB905495-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe IE6sp1_FTP client 076 ..........R --na-- 905590 09/30/05 FIX163812 (SP5) 2000sp4_Filter Manager 077 JGACNT.SMFR 05-047 905749 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB905749-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_PnP 078 ....N...... --na-- 906952 09/09/05 FIX161095 (SP5) 2000sp4_Terminal services 079 .G......... 05-048 907245 10/10/05 Windows2000-KB901017-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CDO 080 ....N...... --na-- 907306 05/18/07 Webfldrs-KB907306-ENU.exe Web Folders client, see 892211 081 JGAC.T....R 05-043 908506 10/19/05 Windows2000-KB908506-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Print Spooler 082 JGACNT.SMFR 06-002 908519 01/09/06 Windows2000-KB908519-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Web Fonts 083 JGACNT.SMFR 06-015 908531 04/25/06 Windows2000-KB908531-v2-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Explorer 084 J.ACNTK...R --na-- 909520 11/29/05 Windows-KB909520-v1.000-x86-ENU.exe Base Smart Card CSP 085 ....N...... --na-- 909916 01/27/06 FIX172646 (SP5) 2000sp4_FAT files 086 JGACNT.SMFR 06-025 911280 06/27/06 Windows2000-KB911280-v2-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_RASMAN 087 J.ACNT.SMFR 06-006 911564 02/13/06 WindowsMedia-KB911564-x86-ENU.exe Media Player Plugin 088 ........M.. 06-005 911565 02/13/06 WindowsMedia9-KB911565-x86-ENU.exe WMP9 089 ....N...... --na-- 911589 05/08/06 FIX180798 (SP5) 2000sp4_profiles 090 ........M.. --na-- 913507 07/01/03 DALG.exe .Net deployment 091 JGACNT.SMFR 06-018 913580 05/09/06 Windows2000-KB913580-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_DTC 092 JGACNT.SMFR 06-036 914388 07/10/06 Windows2000-KB914388-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_DHCP client 093 JGAC...S..R 06-030 914389 --/--/-- replaced by 08-068.957097 2000sp4_SMB 094 ....N...... --na-- 915365 03/01/06 FIX178537 (SP5) 2000sp4_NetDDE 095 ....N...... --na-- 915985 03/23/06 FIX177682 (SP5) 2000sp4_file compression 096 JGACNTKSMFR 06-044 917008 08/07/06 Windows2000-KB917008-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Mgmt Console 097 J..CN...... --na-- 917275 11/22/06 WindowsRightsManagementServicesSP2-KB917275-Client-ENU-x86.exe 2003 server_DRMS 098 J.......... 06-033 917283 --/--/-- replaced by 07-040.928365 .Net 2.0 099 ....N...... 06-051 917422 --/--/-- replaced by 07-035.935839 2000sp4_kernel 100 ....N...... --na-- 917423 03/28/06 FIX180668 (SP5) 2000sp4_COM calls 101 JGACNT...FR 06-034 917537 07/10/06 Windows2000-KB917537-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_IIS 5.0 102 JGACNTKSMFR 07-013 918118 02/12/07 Windows2000-KB918118-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_OLE+RTF 103 J.ACN...MFR 06-022 918439 06/07/06 IE6.0sp1-KB918439-Windows-2000-XP-x86-ENU.exe 2000sp4+IE6sp1_AOL art 104 ....N...... --na-- 918622 05/02/06 FIX178762 (SP5) 2000sp4_Terminal Server 105 ....N...... --na-- 919862 07/21/06 FIX183943 (SP5) 2000sp4_WMI 106 JGACNTKSMFR 06-068 920213 11/13/06 Windows2000-KB920213-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_MS Agent 107 JGACNTKSMFR 06-050 920670 08/07/06 Windows2000-KB920670-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Hyperlinks 108 JGACNTKSMFR 06-041 920683 08/07/06 Windows2000-KB920683-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Winsock, DNS 109 JGACNTKSMFR 06-053 920685 09/11/06 Windows2000-KB920685-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Indexing Service 110 JGAC.TKSMFR 06-045 921398 08/07/06 Windows2000-KB921398-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Explorer 111 JGACNT....R --na-- 922582 09/11/06 Windows2000-KB922582-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_FSRM 112 ....N...... --na-- 922667 07/14/06 FIX185874 (SP5) 2000sp4_COM+ rollup 113 J.......... 06-056 922770 --/--/-- replaced by 07-040.928365 .Net 2.0 114 ....N...... --na-- 922823 07/13/06 FIX185534 (SP5) Callback telephony 115 JGACNTKSMFR 06-057 923191 10/09/06 Windows2000-KB923191-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Explorer 116 .GAC...S..R 06-063 923414 --/--/-- replaced by 08-063.957095 2000sp4_SMB rename 117 ....N...... 07-005 923723 05/08/07 StepByStepInteractiveTraining-KB923723-x86-ENU.exe Step-by-Step Training 118 JGACNTKSMFR 07-055 923810 10/08/07 Windows2000-KB923810-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Kodak Viewer 119 JGACNTKSMFR 06-066 923980 11/13/06 Windows2000-KB923980-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Netware Client 120 .......S..R 06-061 924191 10/19/06 Windows2000-KB924191-v2-x86-ENU.EXE XML 2.6 (2sp6) parser 121 JGACNTKSMFR 06-070 924270 11/13/06 Windows2000-KB924270-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Workstation Service 122 ..A.N.....R --na-- 924432 01/09/07 Windows2000-KB924432-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_COM+ 1.5 123 JGACNTKSMFR 07-012 924667 02/12/07 Windows2000-KB924667-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_MFC component 124 ..A.N.....R --na-- 924867 10/17/06 Windows2000-KB924867-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_application stack 125 ..A........ --na-- 925168 10/11/06 ndp1.1sp1-kb925168-x86.exe .Net 1.1 hooks in Vista 126 JGACNTKSMFR 06-078 925398 12/11/06 Windows2000-KB923689-x86-ENU.EXE WMP 6.4_ASF-ASX parsing 127 ........M.. 06-061 925673 --/--/-- replaced by 08-069.954459, 07-042.933579, 06-071.927977 XML 6 core services 128 ....N...... --na-- 925783 09/28/06 FIX188717 (SP5) 2000sp4_Telephony API 129 JGACNTKSMFR 07-017 925902 04/03/07 Windows2000-KB925902-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_GDI 130 J..C.T...FR 06-077 926121 12/11/06 Windows2000-KB926121-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Remote Install Service 131 J.A..TK.M.. 07-039 926122 --/--/-- replaced by 08-003.943484 2000sp4_ADAM 132 JGAC.TK..FR 06-074 926247 12/11/06 Windows2000-KB926247-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_SNMP service 133 ..........R --na-- 926356 11/28/06 WindowsDesktopSearch-KB926356-V2-x86-ENU-6.0.5414.0.exe 2000sp4_Desktop Search 134 JGACNTKSMFR 07-011 926436 02/12/07 Windows2000-KB926436-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_OLE dialogs 135 .........F. 08-070 926857 --/--/-- replaced by 957924 VB6 Runtime Extended 136 JGACNTK.MFR 07-009 927779 02/12/07 MDAC253-KB927779-x86-ENU.exe MDAC 2.5sp3 137 .........F. 07-009 927779 02/12/07 MDAC281-KB927779-x86-ENU.exe MDAC 2.8sp1 138 J.ACNTK...R --na-- 927891 05/22/07 Windows2000-KB927891-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_update services 139 ..........R --na-- 927891 10/17/08 windowsupdateagent30-x86.exe MS Update Agent 3.0 140 ........M.. 06-071 927977 --/--/-- replaced by 08-069.954459, 07-042.933579 XML 6.0 core services 141 J.......MFR 07-040 928365 07/10/07 NDP20-KB928365-X86.exe .Net 2.0 gold 142 J.A.....MFR 07-040 928366 07/10/07 NDP1.1sp1-KB928366-X86.exe .Net 1.1sp1 143 .........FR 07-040 928367 07/10/07 NDP1.0sp3-KB928367-X86-Enu.exe .Net 1.0sp3 144 JGACNTKSMFR 07-008 928843 02/12/07 Windows2000-KB928843-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4 Help files 145 JGACNTKSMFR 07-021 930178 04/09/07 Windows2000-KB930178-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CSRSS 146 JGACNTKSMFR 07-022 931784 04/09/07 Windows2000-KB931784-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Kernel 147 ..A......FR 07-028 931906 05/08/07 CAPICOM-KB931906-v2102.exe CAPICOM and BizzTalk 148 ....N...... --na-- 932590 03/08/07 WindowsXP-KB932590-x86-ENU.exe (XP only?) MS applications 149 J.ACN.....R 07-042 933579 --/--/-- replaced by 08-069.954459 XML 6.0 core services 150 JGACNTKSMFR 07-058 933729 10/08/07 Windows2000-KB933729-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4 RPC and NTLM 151 JGACNTKSMFR 07-035 935839 06/11/07 Windows2000-KB935839-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_win32 API 152 JGACNTKSMFR 07-031 935840 06/11/07 Windows2000-KB935840-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Schannel 153 J.........R --na-- 935843 04/18/07 Windows2000-KB935843-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_GDI 154 ..A........ 07-029 935966 --/--/-- replaced by 07-062.941672 2000 server DNS RPC 155 J.ACN..S..R 07-042 936021 --/--/-- replaced by 08-069.955069 XML 3.0 core services 156 J.A.N.....R 07-042 936181 --/--/-- replaced by 08-069.954430 XML 4.0 core services 157 .G......... 07-042 936227 --/--/-- see 936021, 936181, 933579 XML 3, 4, 6 158 J.ACNTK..FR 07-047 936782 08/14/07 WindowsMedia9-KB936782-x86-ENU.exe WMP9_"skin" scripts 159 ....N...... --na-- 937450 05/22/07 FIX201347 (SP5) 2000_Offline Files 160 .GAC.T..M.R 07-065 937894 --/--/-- replaced by 08-065.951071 2000sp4_Message Queuing 161 ..AC......R 07-050 938127 --/--/-- replaced by 08-052.938464 IE6sp1_VML 162 JG..NTK.MFR 08-052 938464 09/08/08 IE6.0sp1-KB938464-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe IE6sp1_GDI+ 163 .....T..... --na-- 938720 07/07/08 legitcheckcontrol.cab XP_WGA validation failure 164 JGACNTKSMFR 07-051 938827 09/11/07 Windows2000-KB938827-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_MS Agent 165 ..A........ 07-046 938829 --/--/-- replaced by 08-071.956802, 08-021.948590 2000sp4_GDI+ 166 J........FR 07-053 939778 09/11/07 SFU35-KB939778-X86-ENU.exe UNIX 3.5 services 167 ...C....... 07-056 941202 --/--/-- replaced by 08-048.951066 OE6sp1_NNTP 168 ...C....... 07-064 941568 --/--/-- replaced by 08-033.951698.DX7 2000sp4_DirectX7 169 ...C....... 07-064 941568 --/--/-- replaced by 08-033.951698.DX9 DirectX9 170 J.ACNTKS.FR 07-068 941569 12/10/07 Windows2000-KB941569-x86-ENU.EXE Media Format Runtime 171 J.AC....... 08-001 941644 --/--/-- replaced by 08-037.951748 2000sp4_Kernel TCP/IP/ICMP 172 J..C....... 07-062 941672 --/--/-- replaced by 08-037.951746 2000 Server SP4 173 .GAC...S..R 08-025 941693 --/--/-- replaced by 08-061.954211 2000sp4_Kernel 174 ...C....... 07-042 941833 09/27/07 msxml4-KB941833-enu.exe XML 4.0 SP2 (Vista) 175 J.......... 07-054 942099 09/11/07 Install_MSN_Messenger.exe MSN Messenger 6.2 & 7.0 176 JG.CNTK..FR 08-005 942831 02/11/08 Windows2000-KB942831-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_IIS 5.0 177 J.ACNTKSMFR 08-008 943055 02/11/08 Windows2000-KB943055-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_OLE 178 ...CN....F. 08-003 943484 --/--/-- replaced by 08-060.957280, 08-035.949014 2000 Server_Active Directory 179 JG.CNTKSMFR 08-002 943485 01/07/08 Windows2000-KB943485-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_LSASS 180 J..CNTKSMFR 08-022 944338 04/08/08 Windows2000-KB944338-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_VB&Jscripts 5.1&5.6 181 JGACNTKSMFR 08-020 945553 04/08/08 Windows2000-KB945553-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_DNS client 182 .....T..... 08-003 946538 --/--/-- see 08-003.943484 2000 Server_Active Directory 183 .........FR 08-052 947739 09/09/08 NDP1.0sp3-KB947739-X86-Enu.exe 2000sp4_.Net 1.0 sp3 184 JG......MFR 08-052 947742 09/09/08 NDP1.1sp1-KB947742-X86.exe 2000sp4_.Net 1.1 sp1 185 J.......M.. 08-052 947746 09/09/08 NDP20-KB947746-X86.exe 2000sp4_.Net 2.0 gold 186 .G....K..FR 08-052 947748 09/09/08 NDP20SP1-KB947748-x86.exe 2000sp4_.Net 2.0 sp1 187 ...C....... 08-024 947864 --/--/-- replaced by 08-045.953838, 08-031.950759 IE6sp1 188 .G......... 08-008 947890 --/--/-- see 08-008.943055 2000sp4_OLE 189 ........M.R 08-040 948109 07/08/08 SQLServer2005-KB948109-x86-ENU.exe SQLsrvr2005sp2ExpEd_AdvServ 190 ..........R 08-040 948110 07/10/08 SQLWMSDE-KB948110-x86-ENU.exe 2000sp4_MSDE 2000 191 JGACNT.SM.R 08-021 948590 --/--/-- replaced by 08-071.956802 2000sp4_GDI+ 192 .G........R 08-034 948745 06/09/08 Windows2000-KB948745-x86-ENU.EXE 2000 Server sp4_WINS 193 ...C....... 08-023 948881 --/--/-- replaced by 08-032.950760 IE6sp1_ActiveX 194 .....T..... --na-- 949104 10/30/08 windowsupdateagent30-x86.exe Windows Update Agent 195 ..A.N...... 08-038 950582 08/11/08 Windows2000-KB950582-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Explorer autorun 196 JGA.NTKSMFR 08-028 950749 05/12/08 Windows2000-KB950749-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Jet 4 DBE 197 J...N..SMFR 08-032 950760 06/10/08 Windows2000-KB950760-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Speech API 198 JGA.NTKSMFR 08-049 950974 08/11/08 Windows2000-KB950974-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Event System 199 J.A.NTK.MFR 08-048 951066 08/11/08 OE6.0sp1-KB951066-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe OE6sp1_URL parser 200 JG..NTK..F. 08-065 951071 10/13/08 Windows2000-KB951071-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4 201 .....T..... --na-- 951072 --/--/-- Time Zone changes: XP, 2003, Vista, ... XP, 2003, Vista, etc. 202 J.A.NTK.MFR 08-033 951698 06/10/08 Windows2000-KB951698-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_DirectX 7.0 203 .........F. 08-033 951698 06/10/08 Windows2000-KB951698-v2-DX9-ENU.exe 2000sp4_DirectX 9.0* 204 .G.......FR 08-037 951746 07/07/08 Windows2000-KB951746-x86-ENU.EXE 2000 Server SP4_DNS Server 205 JGA.NTKSMFR 08-037 951748 07/07/08 Windows2000-KB951748-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_DNS Client 206 .........F. 08-076 952068 12/09/08 WindowsMedia41-KB952068-x86-ENU.exe 2000 Server SP4_MS 4.1 207 ......K..F. 08-076 952069 12/09/08 Windows2000-WindowsMedia-KB952069-x86-ENU.exe 2000sp4_MFR 7.1/ 9.0 208 JGA.NTKSMFR 08-046 952954 08/11/08 Windows2000-KB952954-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_CMS of ICM 209 JG..NTK..F. 08-062 953155 10/13/08 Windows2000-KB953155-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_IPS 210 .G......... 08-035 953235 --/--/-- see 08-035.949014 2000 Server sp4_Active Directory 211 ..A.N.....R 08-045 953838 --/--/-- replaced by 08-058.956390 2000sp4_IE6sp1 212 ..A.......R --na-- 953839 08/12/08 Windows2000-KB953839-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_ActiveX 213 JG.......F. 08-053 954156 09/08/08 WindowsMedia9-KB954156-x86-ENU.exe 2000sp4_Media Encoder 9 214 JG..NTK.MF. 08-061 954211 10/13/08 Windows2000-KB954211-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_Kernel 215 .....TK.MF. 08-069 954430 11/10/08 msxml4-KB954430-enu.exe XML 4 core services 216 .....TK.MF. 08-069 954459 11/11/08 msxml6-KB954459-enu-x86.exe XML 6 core services 217 ..........R 08-052 954593 --/--/-- see 938464, 947739, 947742, 947748, 954606, 954765, 957096 2000sp4_GDI+ 218 ......K..F. 08-076 954600 12/09/08 WindowsMedia64-KB954600-x86-ENU.exe 2000 Server SP4_WMP 6.4 219 ..........R 08-052 954606 09/08/08 SQLServer2005-KB954606-x86-ENU.exe SQL 2005 sp2 GDR 220 .........F. 08-052 954765 09/09/08 ReportViewer.exe Report Viewer 2005 SP1 221 .....TK.MF. 08-069 955069 11/10/08 Windows2000-KB955069-x86-ENU.EXE XML 3 core services 222 ..A.N...... --na-- 955417 08/04/08 Windows2000-KB955417-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_PStore 223 .........F. 08-050 955702 08/12/08 messenger.msi 2000sp4_Messenger 5.1 224 JG..NT..M.. 08-058 956390 --/--/-- replaced by 08-073.958215 2000sp4+ie6sp1 225 ....NTK.M.. --na-- 956391 10/14/08 Windows2000-KB956391-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_ActiveX 226 ......K..F. 08-071 956802 12/09/08 Windows2000-KB956802-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_GDI 227 JG..NTK.MF. 08-063 957095 10/13/08 Windows2000-KB957095-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_SMB 228 .....TK.MF. 08-068 957097 11/10/08 Windows2000-KB957097-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4_SMB 229 .G......... 08-060 957280 10/13/08 Windows2000-KB957280-x86-ENU.EXE 2000 Server as Domain Controller 230 ..........R --na-- 957924 12/08/08 VB60SP6-KB957924-x86-ENU.msi VB6 Runtime Extended 231 ......K..F. 08-073 958215 12/09/08 IE6.0sp1-KB958215-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe IE6sp1 232 .....TK.MF. 08-067 958644 10/22/08 Windows2000-KB958644-x86-ENU.EXE 2000sp4 233 .........F. 08-078 960714 12/17/08 IE6.0sp1-KB960714-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe IE6sp1 (out of band) In the table above, columns 5-15 identify the various listkeepers by a key letter: J = Jean Carle, Windows Update Downloader MSFN forum G = theGuy, MSFN forum A = Anton Kaladis, Autopatcher forum C = tomCat, HFSLIP DL webpage N = Nonno Fabio, ryanvm forum T = TommyP, HFSLIP Green page K = Kurt Aust, MSFN forum S = Shavlik, HFNetChk and Google Desktop Gadget (free) M = Microsoft's MBSA, "Baseline Security Analyzer" F = Frogwalk by me of Microsoft's monthly SB summaries R = Referrals from other sources, MS bulletin "Others downloaded ..." for example The Shavlik NetChkProtect and Microsoft MBSA programs needed the following pre-installed: Update Rollup 1v2 (Windows2000-KB891861-v2-x86-ENU.EXE) Internet Explorer 6 sp1 AdminInstall Microsoft Installer 3.1 v2 MDAC 2.8 sp2 (wga) MSXML 6 sp2 .NET Framework 2.0 sp1 Visual C++ 2005 sp1Redistributable Package SQL server 2005 Express Edition with AdvancedServices SP3 SQL Native Client SQL Management Objects Collection VMware Virtual Disk Development Kit Baseline Security Analyzer 2.1 tool MBSA offline Security Update catalog (wsusscn2.cab) Windows Update Redistribution catalog (wuredist.cab) Authorization catalog (muauth.cab) Windows Update Agent 3.0 v 7.0.6000.381

I couldn't find a description, or how to, for the "insert special item" feature, during editing: Center Topic Link Port Link CodeBox Spoiler Acronym What are their typical uses, and would there be a typical example? Do any of them function like a tooltip on mouseover?

When I try to install Microsoft SMS Extended Security Update Inventory Tool, available at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894193/ http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en using the instructions given in the .doc file for installing on a local machine: [start][run]"C:\Temp\SMSEXT_SCAN-ENU.EXE /pkgsource" on a recently clueless noobie installed w2ksp4 machine, with only one logon, that of administrator, it returns a message box: Unable to write to the destination directory "\\SYSTEM2008\C$\Program Files\SmsExtSecUpdInvTool". Please change the permissions of this directory or select a different directory. If the destination directory can't be accessible via the default administrative shares (e.g. C$), please manually enter the full UNC path (e.g. \\MYCOMPUTER\MYSHARE\). What does it mean, to change permissions on a directory, that it is trying to install to? If I feed it an existing directory, created while logged on as administrator, it asks if I want to install to an existing directory and then gives me the same m-box. How do I create a full UNC path? I tried every combination and permutation I could think of. The computer is named "SYSTEM2008" \\SYSTEM2008\C$ ; \\SYSTEM2008\C:\Temp ; \\SYSTEM2008\C$\Temp ; etc. All blocked for want of admin permissions? Is there a special reason for the $-sign in C$? When I go into Computer Management Console (never been there before) and right click on C$, a message box pops up with "This has been shared for administrative purposes. (who am I them?) The share permissions and file security cannot be set." What is that saying? Sorry if I am socially retarded, but I am. When I look at Process Tree, at the top it says "Access Denied" (As I see it, it means access to owner denied. Access to Norton permitted.) I tried to upload a png screenshot (the board's upload utility hangs with Mozilla on w98se, and crashes my ie6sp1, which I never use). I installed Norton SystemWorks 2003 for some of its utils, and it installed itself in this supra-administrative area, that is access denied to the ... to the ostensible administrator-owner of the machine! There must be a logical reason for this ... The Process Tree starts out [-]Access Denied[0] [-]Unknown[8] [-]smss.exe[196] ---csrss.exe[224] [-]winlogon.exe[220] [-]services.exe[276] ---svchost.exe[464] ---spoolsv.exe[492] ---svchost.exe[524] ---GhostStartService.exe[544] ---NPROTECT.EXE[580] ---nvsvc32.exe[620] ---arghh sorry for the dumb-donkey noobie questions ...

thanks! fdv that helps alot. when I found out that xml4 doesn't replace xml3 .net2 doesn't replace .net1.1, etc., i grew suspicious of my ignorance, and began to wonder whether or not some (or all) of the other components were upgraded the same way. I rooted around MS for hours, and frankly only got more frustrated. wikipedia was some help, but it's nice to have a confirmation. in general then, "slipstreaming an update" means replacing an old version dll with a higher version dll, with the same name. but that also means that installing a new version wouldn't necessarily pull old-version dlls off the system. since they are no longer used, they in effect become "sleeper dlls," which lie outside maintenance scruteny. we have registry cleaners to remove hkeys that point to no dlls, but I don't know of any utility to remove sleepr dlls that aren't protected by a registry key (?) as you suggested, if there is any forum on the planet that would have focused on this and nailed it down, this is it, so I should stop worrying ... (When I took my first class, in the early 60s, using Fortran version 0.1 beta back when, (lol), one of the first things we were taught about was about memory rollovers. (the computer was itself as big a small room -- it was an IBM ??? -- and memory was a huge 8-bits!) for one of our first lab exercises, we had to program an overflow, using punch cards and paper tapes, and submit a report analyzing the result ... Although today's click and go culture is quite different, the overflows are the same, as are the illusory "profits" from monopoly, universal humiliation by false accusation, and programming lackadaisia. The predicates of this whole multimedia-push culture are the biggest learning curve for me.) thanks, again.

In the course of trying to build a w2ksp4 machine (I'm an NT=Noobie Total -- and I am SO clueless!) (To me, the 98se model is so much more sensible, but let's not go there ...) In anycase, I naturally started off by comparing the W2K update lists maintained by tomcat, theguy, autopatcher, jcarle, and ryanvm. And naturally, there are differences which I don't understand -- with no insult intended to the HARD work of the listkeepers. (I'm only comparing pre-Aug 07 KBs, since different lists have different cutoff points.) To try to resolve the differences myself, I decided to TRY to frogwalk the Microsoft update system, from sp4 forward. I'll post the results of my frogwalk through hell as soon as I'm done (assuming I don't go completely crazy before hand!!) I've databased 209 of the 276 known records so far, and I'll have to go back and check early stuff, since I didn't know what I needed to put in the DB when I started out (and still don't!!) In the process, it seems that I have learned that in order to "secure" LOL! an updated system with most recent supported components installed, I will have to track each version of the following components that is installed -- that is that installation of a higher version (of XML, BITS, .NET, MPcodecs, for example) does not remove open vulnerabilities in the dlls of the prior lower versions, since the dll and reg entries are not removed:-- W2K_SP4 BITS1.2 (=w2ksp4?) BITS2.0 IE5.01 (w2ksp4=IE5.00.3700.1000) IE6 (SP1=IE6.0.2800.1106) OE5.5 (w2ksp4=OE5.50.4807.1700) OE6 (IE6SP1=OE6.0.2800.1106) XML 2.0 (=w2ksp4?) XML 3.0 (=ie6?) XML 4.0 XML 6.0 DirectX 7 (=w2ksp4?) DirectX 9c WMP 6.4 (=w2ksp4?) WMPcodec 6 (=w2ksp4?) WMP 9 WMPcodec 9 MDAC 2.5SP3 (=w2ksp4?) MDAC 2.8sp1 .NET FW 1.1 (=w2ksp4?) .NET FW 2.0 UpdateAgent 3.0 Installer 3.1 Can anyone confirm or advise on this list -- am I missing any? -- going too far> (no need to answer that one!) 1. My biggest noobie question concerns IE5. When IE6SP1 is installed (by hfslip/nLite cabs, or by exe manual), do the old reg hkeys and hdd dlls for ie5.01 get removed? In other words, if I install ie6sp1, (a) do I still have to manually remove ie5 first, or (b) do I have to maintain updates for vulnerabilities for ie5 as well, since its dlls and reg keys are still in the system? Has anyone ever confirmed that ie5 is totally removed, when ie6sp1 is installed? 2. It looks like the other components build upon each other, so that xml(n) requires installation of xml(n-1), etc. If that is wrong, this is one clueless noobie, tangled up in a monopolistic hairball bigger than any sane person could ever imagine, who would sure appreciate some guidance. (Now that I've sunk my teeth into this task, I'm not pulling out now -- just need some guidance ... on frogwalking the update hairball ... or should I say moonwalking it?) TIA ...

I have to be the world's worst searcher ... a search on +FAT32 +versus +NTFS +2000 produces one result, which immediately degenerated into a rant on w98se versus XP. A search on +FAT32 +versus +NTFS produces a thousand pages, none of whose topics focus on this question. So, I am taking the leap... I am thinking of building a w2k system and am thinking of using FAT32 rather than NTFS. It's a hard choice to buck the "popular system" or the Micorsoft approved method. a) I understand NTFS changes a folder date whenever anything under it is changed. As a personal preference, and as a folder-date dependent person, that would drive me crazy. (Is that true?) B) having "my" (lol) NTFS system does not make "me" any more or less secure. Certainly not to the data-sucking Al-CIAda/Echelon creeps who tunnel "their" data out that little wire that goes out the back of our machines. And given the virus-worm-rootkit problems that NTFS system owners are famous for, and the proven absense of virus problems I have had with FAT32, over decades of clueless, adventurous and tireless downloading -- not that I understand it, but that's my observation. Maybe script kiddies are having more fun giving NTFS "owners" a virus problem. c) NTFS is proprietary -- the rumor is that its outward appearance has been "fully reverse engineered." But at its innermost working levels, NTFS is still top secret (for no reason which can be good to the "owners"). d) FAT32 disks (pata to sata, 0 to 500g) are native to machine level command prompts, produced by free as in speech operating systems like dos and linux. One odd thing about the reported security of NTFS -- with a freely available NTFS driver, w98se (now running off 3.5 gig of DDR2, with 500 g sata raids) can now read and write to an NTFS drive seamlessly, as though it were attached to USB. And a w98se/FAT32 system reportedly reads and writes to an NTFS drive with original privileges -- which may exceed those of the Microsoft-devined "administrator" privileges, which for "proprietary" reasons are intentionally limited by Microsoft. e) FAT32s have their FAT file problems, such as when power supply units get overloaded and memory chips get funky, etc. But, wouldn't that also be true of an NTFS drive during a current overload/voltage drop? Other members have noted, in comments tangential to numerous threads, that they prefer FAT32 to NTFS for xp and 2000. Can they expand? Is there a good engineering reason to NOT chose one over the other, such as software designed for w2k won't work on FAT32, because specific calls in their programing require an answer from NTFS, and they crash when they encounter a FAT32 hdd?

question on the above list re: preserving our index.dat files Can anyone who has tested any of the above image programs confirm that an image restore operation did not preserve (did not carry forward) the personal data that was accumulated in the index.dat[amining] files, that are programmed into "our" operating systems for reasons that can be valide only to creepy Madison Ave. monopolists. (...or... who knows! maybe WE, the freedom lovers, are the real Al Qieda babies! lol!) It is my suspicion that the "big-name" Microsoft-embraced brands, Norton, Acronis, etc., will do whatever it takes to preserve their embedded relationship with Mr. Big, which means their image restore operations will restore everything else, but their beloved datamining files on us. Thus, the Microsoft-protected index.dat files would not be restored back to original image, or "out of the box," condition. Instead, they would be carried forward, everything else was restored, giving the illusion a complete image restore.

UE 1.5 works great on w98se -- usually. however, the setup exe for Object Fix Zip (http://www.objectfix.com/products/objectfixzip/) crashes 1.5 -- UE15 reports "testing inno setup installer" then "test [OK]" then "extracting files from: Inno Setup Installer" then (X) I don't know autoit, but that's an odd arrangement of quotation marks in the command string. There's an even number ok, but I can't pair them up sensibly. Would love to see the w98 switches turned on during compiles of v1.6 if possible. 98se ain't dead yet.

just to be sure ... what would be the max hdd size that the ME defragger +scandisk installed by MDGx's scanfrag.exe can handle, in a 98seSP2.1, with the 48-bit lba patch installed? I need to transfer 80g of files to a 120gig partition on the back side of a 160 WD eide. It was formatted by Partition Magic 8 in w2k, into a 20g pri-fat32-hidden part in the front, and a 140g logical-fat32 part in the back. It is connected cable select on the second IDE channel on an ASUS CUV4X mobo -- the Award bios is dated Aug, 2000 +/-. In Device Manager, the WD is identified as a working GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE80, with the DMA option checked. (The primary IDE disk (a 120g maxtor) with 98seSP21 in primary, is identified as a TYPE47?) Now that I've transferred my data files and then deleted a bunch, I like to defrag it ... I tried norton speed disk (from NU 2001). It scans the hdd, builds an image, and recommends defragging. But, pressing go causes it to cough up -- is says it cannot defrag and instructs me to see readme.txt -- from NU 2001 readme.txt: Through out the readme file, it is apparent that NU 2001 doesn't like w2k, and it might be some signature w2k put in the MBR. So, I'm not freaked out about the balk by Norton Utils. But I wanted to make sure that the 98se2me defragger works with lba hdds (as long as the 48-bit patch is installed, and the bios can handle lba.)

sorry to take so long to get back @ Flip1001 -- that's a great link and it solved the immediate problem right away @ James A -- ah hah! I needed to search in the slipstreaming forums as well! that link brings up a major point, about reinstalls on 48-bit hdds Just to be sure about slipstreamed vs. normal, by "normal" does he mean format with 28-bit fdisk, then install from MS original CD, and then install each KBxxxxxx.exe or tweak, or whatever, 1 by 1? By slipstreamed, does he mean build a new install CD, to replace the original MS CD? e.g. roll up all the updates and tweaks and build a new ... "slipstreamed" cd, using hfslip or nlite. So, "slipstreaming" refers to a cd -- and not to an operating system! good God, I'm slow! I have DL'd what looks like a reasonable w2k update list (thanks to all who maintain the lists -- it is such a hairball, I don't know how they do it). Now I have to choose between nLite and hfSlip, to build a "slipstreamed" cd. Without stepping on anyone's toes, how do I to choose between them? Before installing from a "slipstreamed cd," I take it I will still need a command prompt to (a) format 48-bit hdds and (B) to slipstream a new cd to install with. I take it, I can use any NT-OS to build the slipstreamed CD? For the re-install onto the original hdd, should I reformat the hdd, or just re-install on top of the old OS? I was thinking of trying picoXP, a winBuilder boot-land.net project. It builds a bootcd which will loads only a command prompt. Nice -- that will feel like a proper place to start for me. picoXP, and utilities run under it, supposedly can see 48-bit hdds, including ntfs, as well as USB drives. Maybe the dos version of PartitionMagic8 will run under picoXP as well! thanks ...

new to 2k. and apparently lousy at searches, since I am sure this must be covered elsewhere ... I just installed w2ksp4 onto a blank 360gb sata hdd (WD). During setup, sp4 stopped looking at 131gb. I had it format 20g as NTFS, which left 111g as unformatted but identified, and the remainder past 131g as unidentified. I was hoping I could use Partition Magic 8.01 to setup the rest, from 20 to 360g ... not. It sees a 131 g boundary as well. I thought I had heard sp4 had fixed the larger LBA (48bit?) for large hdds. Was that for eide fat32s only? How can I make the rest of a modern hdd visible to w2k and Partition Magic 8? In case it be the mobo drivers -- MB is MSI p43-neo3f socket 775 with core2duo-e7200, 2g DDR2, etc. Northbridge is Intel P43, southbridge intel ICH10/ICH10R. All devices recognized and working in device manager (no yellow-?). MSI website drivers say xp (no mention of 2k) but msi says their drivers are intel drivers, and the intel site says their drivers support 2k on these chipsets. was it a limitation of the fdisk that was launched when w2k setup saw a blank hdd? what do I do?

can anyone recommend an inexpensive socket775 motherboard (or better, chipset) that still has w2k drivers? pciex16 is preferred, since I have an old 7300gs for w2k and directx 9. sorry to be so far behind the curve ... thanks

I'm very open to the idea that someone who knows a lot more than me about HDDs should open a new thread on the topic using NT drives in w98se! (I nominate Charlotte ... do I hear a second?) Not that my initial issue, on connecting a large USB drive, is being overwhelmed by a more important and superior issue. E.G., this is not a "hyjack." The question of using NT drives in w98se is such an important one, TO ME, that IMHO it deserves its own identity on the MSFN menu board -- the idea is to enhance this board's reputation the worldwide den for w98se mavens. (Yes, I am a 98-bigot, and hope to keep this little light on, re the right of an owner to have full control of his or her own computer, which IMHO is not made easier by all the muck and PysOps darkness and "other usurpations" of NT-based systems.) With a new thread on using NT with w98se, future members could limit their searchs on this question to title bars, and get links that focus in exactly on the topic. My issue, generally of connecting a large external USB (although admittedly, and unaware, I did mention an XP aspect), has been pretty much resolved -- (a) wintricks works like a charm, (B) if it's NT, try NTFS for Win98 (see thread >>), and © if any NDD-like softwares might come into play, keep number of "clusters" down, e.g. use partition sizes of 250G of less -- but then -- ahem -- the "MBR" which maps out the internal LBA memory pages, would still have to point to physical addresses, as physically wired transistors at addresses XYZ, inside the card -- in other words the "partitioning table" (whatever the MBR of a USB chip looks like) in a USB chip would still have to point to a memory address at LBA = 251G as the starting point of the next partition after a 250 G partition -- so I'm still confused on that one. To continue this thread, how do I "picture" the physical "file structure" of a particular USB memory device? Are the memory "chips" inside a memory stick mapped out as physical sectors and clusters as they are in a HDD? -- in the sense of the old 16-pin Digigal memory chips, which were 128k each, or 256k if you had a lot of money -- a "fully populated" ISA memory board back when was 12 inches long, weighed half a ton metaphorically, and cost $5 grand, which back then weighed a whole lot more. Gives you an idea of how long my w98sePS21 has been running faithfully (or how my memory has been faithfully failing, or some combo of both ...) -- at one time my 8X scsi CDRWs were cuttin' the edge. Looks like it gettin' about time to mobo up again.

man, thar's some good up stuff there ... thanks guys Charlotte... BTW that's one awesome signature you got -- IMHO international trafficking in children is bigger business in the U.S. now than trafficking in drugs ever was, which at one time recently, was big enough to float the entirety of "the Wall St. economy." The total $$ involved in trafficking in children are not trivial and your signature line says it ALL ... where's it from? I remember the wintricks driver from http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showto...st&p=662854. It's a sweet one, and has served me well, for everything, when other drivers got tangled up on something. On my system, the file WinTricksWTGenUSB.INF is found in %windir%\inf\other\. The only things in \inf\ are drvidx.bin and drvdata.bin. I don't know if use of one filename (drvidx.bin and drvdata.bin) for all USB drives causes problems when two USB-HDDs are linked to the same driver ... I run camera SDs and USB thumbs off it without problems. I saw somewhere a thread where someone tried to hook up two thumb drives and got into trouble, but I don't think he was using wintricks. For a disconnect of a USB drive, the wintricks author recommends that we go to Device Manager, select Disk Drives, right click the device, and select remove. Then pull the USB plug. On his instruction sheet, the image of his Device Manager shows two devices for his one USB thumbdrive?? I show one, per USB device?? I made a small pdf of the author's instructions and wish I could upload it to the board ... didn't we used to be able to do that? With the 500 Gb Seagate NTFS hooked up (more later) the drvidx.bin file is 358,159 bytes, and drvdata.bin is 1,207,810. Seems Kinda big? With USB on my old mobo, it copies files at 500 kbs (arghh) and then takes forever to reregister the directory. dencorso ... thanks for the Iomega 500 eHDD model number -- I'm going to shift over to a flatland disk philosophy, using subdirs instead of drives Kwibus ... you da man on this post! I went to Paragon and voilà ... they have a proggie "NTFS for Windows 98"!! full read-write capabilities!! free!! (for a signup). NTFS for Windows 98: http://www.paragon-software.com/downloads/..._downloads.html Looks like Paragon may have some interesting software ... but to quality ... their NTFS for w98se is SEAMLESS in my 'puter! I installed it. It doesn't seem to show up as a device by itself. But, when I hooked up a NT external HDD ... it found it! The drive shows up in MyComputer, and Device Manager, and when I right click and select properties, w98se shows the file system is ... holy yipes ... NTFS. Not a glitch ... so, Paragon did their homework on that one. BTW, on install, "NTFS for Windows 98" gives a warning dialog "To make the program work properly, it is recommended to turn off the Recycle Bin for mounted NTFS partitions!" Summarized: a Seagate 500 Gb USB HDD formatted in NTFS works under w98seSP2. I am using a 733-P3, on an old mobo with USB 1. When connected, it is linked to the wintricks generic USB driver, and when Paragon's NTFS for Windows 98 is installed, and it seems to work -- both reading and writing. (Because I'm thinking of returning it, as the USB 1 on my old mobo is too slow, I tested writing only by copying an original EULA.rtf file back, as an overwrite. No problems. The drive draws only 16 watts power, but still gets warm. The PS is 12v. The pdf manual that comes on it is totally toxic American bubble gum -- the first page says "Only smart people read the manual" -- arghh! -- that is then followed by 36 additional pages of click-here picture fluff, selling program after program of useless bloat. But, they say absolutely nothing about which file system they used, and why, what the UPS power requirements are, or other characteristics and limitations etc. I'm no hardcore techie, but that's a little too far on the light side, IMHO. Man does not live by bubble gum alone.

IS there a driver to make it possible for me to read from/write to a USB external HDD ... using its factory preformat in NTFS, for XP and Vista? The model is a Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500 G, for Firewire, USB2, eSATA. It requires XP or Vista, or OS X 10.4.8 for Macs. It apparently sees the w2k wintricks driver, and MyComputer/Properties/DeviceManager/DiskDrives recognizes it by name just fine, without any question marks etc. When I left click MyComputer, it shows up as drive "P," and when right click on drive P, w98se informs me that the drive is not formatted, and asks if I want to format it? If there isn't a NT driver that I can use, and I have to reformat it, and if I use LLXX's extended ESDI_506.PDR (in C:\Windows\System\Iosubsys\), can I theoretically format it (my risk, no questions asked) as one 500 G FAT32. Or, should I make it up as 4 drives each less than 137 G (say 1 primary 50G, 1 extended 450G, all FAT32)? If I needs to reformat it from XP-NT down to FAT32, is there a DOS format tool that will recognize the USB drive? (My Partition Magic 8.0 doesn't recognize it, probably because of the USB.) Thanks

thanks guys -- Drugwash, Kwibus, noguru once I found out were I had hidden 98se's default monitors.inf, everything has worked just fine

While trying a drive cloning program (CDriveBack -- linux based CDrom, apparently great for cloning XP) I apparently burned up my NEC Multisync-17 monitor. (After booting linux from a CD, it uses std text view display (vga 640x480 display mode 5?). Whatever display mode it was, when it displayed on my monitor screen, the text ran way past the left and right edges and down past the bottom of the screen. When I tried using monitor sizing controls to, squeece the screen into the viewing area, I apparently turned up the voltage on something inside my old and tired monitor and ... blam ...) I bought a new 19" Hannag HX191DPB digital monitor -- mainly because it was cheaper than a 5 year used Dell and it has the old "square" look to it. It hooked right up and seems to be displaying 1280x1024 x 16bit high color just fine. I'm using an old Matrox G400 video card. The startup disc that came with it doesn't have any .inf files, nor does the www.hannsg.com website have any drivers to download for the monitor. Several forum postings elsewhere also indicate that this monitor runs (in XP and Vista) without any drivers, and so none are provided. On startup, 98se identifies the monitor, and tries to load a driver for it -- but I can't feed it one, or don't know which one to feed it. Is there anything I can do, so that on startup I don't get the "new hardware found" dialog each time I boot up? === Also, during bootup, when the BIOS is scanning hardware and outputting results to the monitor, the results show in dos-style B/W text mode, but the text is running off the left sides and bottom of the screen. Is there anything I can do to stop the process at that moment, so that I can adjust the monitor? Maybe run some dos program that will bring up that video mode? Does anyone know the display mode number for BIOS output during displays, and how to replicate it in a program? === If my video card is going -- is there a good totally generic behind-the-curve dumbed down video card that I can buy with 98se drivers?