Molecule

maybe leave nLite as-is but include a zip of security presets for desktop and laptop noobs prepared by people who understand how to strip a 2K, XP, 03 system down but leave it running for the standard laptop or desktop user (yes, removing bloat is cool ... but focus is on stability security) thus user starts out with a system focused on security, then user nLites (as-is) to add junk in laptop and desktop users could have separate presets but gamers and other hard core are on their own minimal microsoft everything, OS essentials only, but all essentials needed for alternative everything -- mainly office, browser, email, media, player, etc. strip out all useless MS assumptions, nuisances popups and bubblegum -- such as MS security, MS search, Firewall, AV, EOL notices, phone home everything, automatic updates, etc. but leave essential services available as needed for non-MS programs. Even a preset if possible to prevent other programs from automatically updating themselves. Users can the run nLite as-is to add MS bugglegum back in. -- wish I could volunteer a preset but I wouldn't t know what I was doing (my hands are full fighting on other fronts ...) for users ilke me, it would be easier to start with a nLite preset for a stable core for an ordinary user (minimalist as in minimal MS bunglegum, not extreme minimalist as is full scale bleeding edge). User then nLites (as is) to tweak services up rather than down so nLite is actualy resetting a big mistake that MS made ... the MS assumption of open-wide and all-at-once hurt MS in the long run. Most users can't handle all their bugglegum, all swallowed down in one gigantic hairball, in one big gulp. Presets could be used to reset that big-MS assumption. It would actually help MS get their reputation back. Maybe I'm still in DOS 3.2-ville?

nLite is a Beautiful product! A tiny observation, and a product marketing suggestion, no insult intended The focus started with bypassing MS strongarming us with IE. That was good. But now, is there too much carry-over focus on just "getting smaller." (It's almost like .... I can name that tune in one note kind of thing.) As a noob, I'm of course interested in dropping annoying bubblegum and etc. But my main focus on using nLite is what I know least about, which is system security. As an aside, to me security comes by building the system correctly. I don't consider firewall or antivirus software to be security, and I have NEVER used them. I would have to be a fool to believe the NSA, Pentagon, Microsoft, Google, et al, engineers couldn't blow right through a homeowner maintained firewall and AV. If the price was right, a FW and AV builders might even open a back door just for them. It could mean a major refocus of nLite objectives, but it would be nice to have a tab-page or something, which would help a noob like me set up strong stable system as best as I can, where focus is on security, for laptop, desktop, media center, etc. Or maybe create a new page where nLite could review the preset selections, and make an analysis of security strengths and weaknesses. Maybe feed it a hardware list for the target computer on the system. I don't build regularly, so I have to go back and google what is PCMCIA and do I have it, etc every time.

Very nice project -- leaving .net 4 as post install option, and adding security is nice as well I have retail OEM XPproSP3 english. The disk is named GRTMPOEM_EN, and one of root files is WIN51IP.SP3 Is that enough to tell if I have XP pro N? K? or KN? thanks

from what I can make of it, it's a pretty deep hijack I shut down my system from Administrator and all was well. When I started it up, as I remember it, before logon but with blue logon screen, I was presented with two small message boxes, one after the other, which I unfortunately failed to photograph. One of them informed me that my administrator user files were corrupted (they were working fine when I shut down) and Windows had to do blah-blah. I pulled the internet connection and reset the motherboard. On next bootup, XP presented a logon as usual, and I logged on as usual. XP somehow (a.) allows me to signon as "administrator" using my old password, but I don't connect to that account (b.) someone created a new admin account name ("Administrator.8441F50924994FF" under Documents and Settings) with my old password (c.) the MyComputer icon was removed from the desktop (d.) the theme I was using was replaced with Luna (e.) half of the desktop icons were gone (f.) it kicked out my Firefox ESR and installed a new Firefox, which I don't like (it dumps advertisements all over the place) Has anyone had this experience before? Was I hijacked, or did I have a crash somehow, and this a genuine microsoft procedure. If there is a way to keep this system I'd probably prefer to do that. What should I do? When I logoff as Administrator.8441F50924994FF and try to logon as "administrator" XP just puts me back to the new administrator. Thanks

standard XPsp3 with OnePiece's All-In-One update pack guess I'm just a bit behind the curve again ... http://www.google.com/search?q=itunes+xp+site:msfn.org returns posts that are pretty much out of date (intentional?) I'm trying to download (and play) the audio files for some files from a museum exhibit http://rmanyc.org/nav/exhibitions/view/2095 specifically https://itunes.apple.com/itunes-u/masterworks-jewels-collection/id425757876?mt=10 I tried at my public library (windows 7 ...) but it cannot play or download these files ... arghhh is there a way to (a) do an RVMi or nLite install or (b) a plain vanilla admin install, for an alternative that avoids installing apple version of iTunes? I don't want to install over the internet, and I want all my software installed before I connect to the internet. I also don't want an Apple program to automatically "organize and play my digital music and video" for me. arghh! Thanks! [rant ... kind of annoying that a museum requires iTunes connection (or something) ... so, now I need both adobe bloat + apple bloat? ... yes, it IS a conspiracy!]

Fernando ... in advance, thanks so much for your help. Couple of quick questions ... I use RyanVM to integrate update packs and addons, and then nLite for final setup. 1. When I integrate the oem drivers from >32bit Intel RST textmode driver v11.2.0.1006 WHQL<, nLite does not create a $OEM$ structure, but rather it cabs up the driver files (5) and puts them in a new folder I386\NLDRV\001\ iaahci.ca_, iaahck.in_, iastor.ca_, iastor.in_, iastor.sy_. The files are then identified in (and installed during textmode from?) [sourceDiskFiles] section of I386\TXTSETUP.SIF. Under prior nLited sources, nLite creates $OEM$ and includes batch file cmdlines.txt, which then calls nlite.inf. Maybe the change occured because of adding or deleting another tweak ... arghhh) I'd still like to setup a $OEM$ folder for other setup options ... not textmode drivers. I had read somewhere (where I can't recall ...?) that might be a problem. Question: If I integrate AHCI textmode drivers with nLite, can I still use $OEM$ features for post GUI ... even if some hacking is still required? 2. If I set bios to AHCI, and then a plug in an old PATA hdd to transfrer files from my current Windows system (98se), will the new AHCI drivers in XP be able to read and write to my old IDE hdds? 3. If I speed test AHCI and compare to IDE (running a simple entertainment workstation) and want to revert back to straight IDE (some say it's faster, and local commercial builders still use IDE even on windows 7 and 8), will I need to reformat and/or reinstall, or can I delete AHCI drivers from XP-Device Manager, then reboot to BIOS, switch hdds down from AHCI to IDE and reboot to XP ... will XP recognize the existing hdds as new hardware, and install its native XP-IDE drivers, even thought it the textmode AHCI drivers are available (but not selected)? edit -- the quesiton is not how to do that (that's another thread) .. just asking if you know if it's possible. 4. While feeding textmode drivers into nlite, nLite apparently read the [scsi] section of Intel's txtsetup.oem. It makes a list of available systems and asks me to select. I have MSI P43neo3F with ICH10R chip. On the nLite list, I chose only one, namely "Intel® ICH10R SATA AHCI Controller." I noticed that I'm choosing AHCI only. Two other possible selections had ACHI and RAID, namely "Intel® Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller" and "Intel® Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA AHCI Controller." I chose only the ICH10R AHCI controller ... is that right? 5. If I install only AHCI for the ICH10R, then in that case do I still have an option to install RAID ... as long as I do the correct additonal steps (edit -- as example only, details not part of the question, like, connect raid hdds, set bios to raid, enter the bios-raid setup, setup bios-raid, install XP, and then after installation run the Intel raid management wizard, and etc., and etc., ... long list possible and thus not a part of this question ... only asking if, by installing only AHCI for the ICH10R chip, do I still have the option to add RAID if I want to (how to do it is another quesiton)? 6. I used a program to extract the motherboard +video +printer +scanner drivers from a IDE install (JMicron JMB36X, Intel P43 INF chipset, Realtek LAN, Realtek audio, nVidia video, etc.). When use nLite to compile a build sourse with these drivers, XP boots with all drivers running. Question ... can I feed textmode AHCI drivers to nLite and then also feed remaining drivers as above, so that I get AHCI and other systems working as well (or will that make a confilct, and thus require manual install of other drivers)? Thanks again in advance for your help. Happy New Year!

No problem at all Fermando. I understand totally, and please forgive me for the lengthy (and sometime misdirected) nature of my post. I'm going to put it in a spoiler so that it doesn't take up space on this thread. I really appreciate the clarity and help that your thread gives. Sorry for the torture ... that was not an unfair choice of word. I feel the same way. My AMI bios uses its own set of terms. I need to break it down into a bunch of smaller single issue threads. Highest Regards! for your help and for the value of your time.

edit -- put my post (noob here) in a spoiler because it's too long, and because of my confusion, I wander off into too many different areas, where I'm still confused. I can see it would take several more pages by an expert to answer. I need to break my learning curve down into smaller pieces.

that's good to hear! thought I'd better check in early rather than later since I couldn't find it that was quite a list of files related to a (simple?) heap change the changes were apparently not all "internal" to kernel32 (which suprised me) all the more respect due to Wildbill and BWC for their work on the 2K kernel upgrades!

yo! tomasz86 while searching for last version videolan to run on 2k, I stumbled on VLC not running in 2K VLC install was producing an entry point error "The procedure entry point HeapSetInformation could not be located in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll" the 2nd post points to an official M$ hotfix that it seems we have all somehow missed ... XP Low Fragmentation Heap Algorithm is Available for 2000 I didn't see 816542 posted on your comprehensive HF list, and there's no mention of it in any blog on msfn.org either ... I've also encountered the error, so it's apparently fairly common ... it might make be a good HF to add, and it might even (or yikes! it might not) help with BWC's important work on 2K kernel ... edit -- add it's an SP5 hotfix

thanks -X- are you the Xable at RyanVM.net? I've done so many different installs at this point they are starting to become a blurr ... I'm building XP isos using 2k, and I'm on the internet at the moment using 98se my first XP install was a two step (edit -- XP iso built in 2k environment) 1 RMVI +QFE update pack +.NetFx 2 nLite to pull MS drivers and add my own and setup winnt.sif As I remember it (might e wrong) I got the same behavior ... but memory is geting blurry current install is straight hologram disk no mods, just to pull a set of std files that's the one that has behavior described above ... as I remember, the last option on the last screen on nLite is the one that sets classic mode ... I'll try that one again ... also adding tomasz86's mods to source before RMVI and nLIte, to switch from Luna (bubble look) to Classic (flat look) as well ... as I remember ... even with classic logon logoff selected the very last screen at logoff switches over to a bubble look edit also when I set time zone to GMT-5 Eastern, nLite missed it ... is there a tweak I'm missing?

that's some awesome information tomasz86 ... I will try it soon before I do, I thought I'd ask ... I want to start with one administrator account, named Administrator, and that account has to logon with password, whether entering standard desktop or F8 safe mode. After Administrator passes logon and gets to desktop, then he can add users and define their policies. in my current 2002 system when I deleted the required second bubblegum administrator account, logon is no longer offered or required. the machine goes straight from boot to desktop. I do not want that. What do I do? Can I do the above and fix that at the same time? I'm going thru my stack of CD disks pretty fast so I thought I'd ask. also, I tried F8 safe mode ... again, no logon ... wow! I can't beleive it! Any user can boot an XP system into safe mode, and function as safe-mode administrator, without a logon or a password! The option is to have 4 administrator accounts ... 2 bubblegum administrators (none named Administrator), 1 secret administrator (named Administrator), and 1 F8-Safe mode administrator, who doesn't need a logon. in v2002 there are three states to an XP install ... 1st stage=dos format and copy 2nd=std vga gui (sets password for secret Administrator account) 3rd stage=friendly bouncing-? adds bubblegum administrators at least two are required to get a logon screen, even after classic mode is selected under control panel, users, etc. is this 3 stage install the standard for all prior versions of XP ... SP0, SP1, and SP2? during 3rd stage, if I name only one administrator, then no logon screen will be presented at bootup even if classic mode logon is selected ... this is not what I want If I name two admins at the bubblegum stage (not what I want), I get an icon screen for my logon choices -- MS picked out a really cool icon for my 1st bubblebum admin account -- it's a picture of the bottom end of a squatting skateboarder ... can you imagine the thouight of it! such beauty! the view was looking straight up at his squatting bottom end! such glory! he is turning, as if in the middle of squatting down on the desktop. soo cool! In actuality, I was a little offended by the view, thank you so very much Microsoft ... I apologize for the raillery. I'm actually angered and frustrated. I'm sad that it takes so much effort to build an XP box with the charm and maturity and sweetness of a 2000 system. I should know that it's total vanity to hope that MS engineers will grasp the message and maybe ... change. I am really just trying to install an XP system, with one administrator account, named Administrator, who has to logon with password, whether he is opening his standard desktop, or whether he is entering safe mode ... do I need to add any tweaks to the above to do that? thanks so much for your generous help ... ... one frustrated little molecule

hmmm ... pathnames ... jaclaz has found a new kind of stegenography (or dirigonography something like that)? echelon will spend all its battery juice trying to translate a hello world file, meanwhile the secret key is in the pathname speaking of paths ... there is a larger project(?) happening here which is REALLY nice ... it's inchoate and still undefined at the moment ... a rising event still in the brewing phase tomasz86+BWC,WB,+,+ are moving the powers and driver availability of XP (by adeeming the bubblegum) up into the higher domains of dignity and maturity (and sweetness like wine) of 2000. there is also a parallel effort to strip away the infantile insults and commerical bubblegum from XP, thus renewing driver availabilities and raising powers to the higher dignity of 2000. not sure one path will be easier or better than another ... they both merge into a MOST worthwhile result ...

hey there tomasz86! ... seems like adobe is taking over everywhere ... the old macromedia (I think it was originally open source?) is becoming more pentagon war machine than the behemouth microsoft itself ... more and more "web" masters require flash + javascript as entry points to their data or sites ... it's become the preferred bubblegum hurling machine of choice! while trying to build a pre-2K machine to run hfslip on, to build a final 2K system, I wanted to install from USB rather than tossing CDs (neurotic like that), but i encountered problems with bootable USB with my mobo + bios + 2K + install usb-image software. I bought a $8 hdd and tried a quick install of XP just to find out if the problem was with my mobo and bios, or somewhere else. When I loaded XP v2002 (purchased in 2008 with the then new hardware that I'm just now starting to use ... I assembled parts immediately, loaded 2K, and immediately couldn't figure out why MS forces me to be fake administrator of my own machine ... so I still had this 98 idea that an owner has a right to own and control his machine ... I now totally understand the BIG lie ... our home computers are not owned or controlled by us ... not even in the least scintlla as to any meaningful elements ... we don't even control the on off button ... we pay, but "our" computers are totally owned (meaning totally controlled) by the wall st-pentagon complex ... so except for a power to setup a computer that will reformat and restore the original system image EVERY time I turn it off, I accept that I have absolute ZERO control of "my" computer. I dont believe kaspersky, or norton, or other 100+ meg script kiddies give me ownership ... so I don't use AV at all. dont believe in it. haven't used AV or firewall yet in 98se and so far have never needed it ... not once! my hardware getting old, and the 28bit lba bios limits me to 128 gig hdds ... arghhh ... that hurts ... with no drivers for 98 for larger machines, I'm now forced to become Chief Administrator of my own Bubblegum Tweak-down ... I just don't care for the insults ... it's like being waterboarded in a cia-pentagon torture chamber with microsoft bubblegum ... I don't buy into the whole "bubblegum dimension" of a crass marxist materialist existence at all. If Chopin were alive today, would he be writing etudes, preludes, and mazurkas for this crass, insulting, crude and rude Microsoft God of Bubblegum "Reality?" I see you have Blender on your 2K site ... are you doing 3D work at all .. if so, I built a VRML of Kepler's credenza model that will blow your mind. Me and Hartmut Warm are probably the two most hardcore Kepler fanatics in existence today. Hartmut Warm has made some AMAZING discoveries that really take Kepler to the next level. www.keplerstern.com ok back to 2k ... when I installed XP v2002, I got the M$ waterboarded by bubblegum shock therapy. It's Mind Kult Ra (m-kult-ra, MKULTRA) torture by the bubblebum RA. Coming from 98se, XP is an insult. I don't know what ... I should write a book ... How MS (i.e. Pentagon Lite) waterboards its customers with marxist bubblegum. The internet (which is owned and controlled totally by the pentagon war machine, the pentagon being a bolshevik fifth column operation) is waterboarding the world with clueless useless crass commerical bubblegum ... squirted into our all faces by wall st fraudsters, gangsters and moral zombies like bill gates. google used to be ok ... now it's the pits ... the internet is becoming a worldwide gitmo operation, where humanity is being waterboarded with porn, stupidity and worst of all, bubblegum. bubblegum is getting so thick, I'm seriously thinking of throwing my "new" haha 2008 machine in the trash, and going back to 98se. Geez I hate it when M$ forces insulting stupid useless gimicks like bouncing ?-mark "tools" that do nothing. I never admired BG. In spite of his wealth (which he created by piracy and stealing) he's a racist supremacist ... a hypocrite, a wall st. zombie, a marxist mastadon, a crazed lunatic on a depopulation binge, which is purely racist in nature, jabbing all the kids of Africa in the side of their little necks with his so-called "vaccine" protection. 1972 UN-WHO technical documents are explicit in how to use vaccines to cause cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. auto-immune diseases, to depopulate the planet. so ... pretty much that's what I mean by "flash" -- as Duke said, ahh ... now I feel much better. +10 points for health. I foilowed your thread with win98! It was nice to see how he worked through the build and install. As your 52 comes together, if drop box starts to complain about bandwidth, you could maybe go with a CD+3 file iso build (instead of CD+2 as you have it now) by letting people add in their own gurglemeyer's 51 from major geeks or softpedia. you would only have to addin the 3 (or 4?) patches that Aust mentioned. Too bad gurglemeyer didn't leave his code. Also, rather than putting the "for personal use only" warning in the control panel uninstall section, I'd suggest putting it in the first panel of the command file. something like press F8 or whatever. then leave it like the original HFSLIP authors had it? I don't remember seeing that from prior experimentation from 8 years ago? after which I went back to 98se. So, to confirm my mobo is bootable USB I decided to build an XP machine just for that one purpose. That's when I got the shock ... the way M$ treated me during installation, it was really insulting and disgusting ... Jaclaz had one of his "look here" links in one of his posts on another site, that pointed to some links that lead to some more links that lead to some pretty friendly guys over at a site called How to Not-Beat Ur Digitial Wife (or something like that ... hehe). But setting up an XP v2002 install to minimize the bubblegum will be a challenge. Even when you change the "theme" XPv2002 still flips me the bird when I logoff ... during shutdown, the last screen it shows is the original bubblegum look. ARGHHH! Do you (or anyone) know if XP SP2a or 2c sets up a flatscreen, no bubblegum, 2K-like logon and logoff, after being nLited with SP3? I might be happier with OEM server 03? I'm pretty sure that setting up a CD XPv2002 with a bubblegum free interface will be an awful lot of work ... some of the nLite tweaks don't work, like regional timezone setting for example. I see you're using 2K server ... any reasons you prefer server over pro? I see it must handle the 8gig you have for memory ok so that's nice. I think 2K pro memory limit is 4gig? @myselfidem -- I bought my XP cd and computer (by parts) at a Microcenter store ... www.microcenter.com. The CD is part no. X14-72249. It's legit MS for sure, so the bubblegum comes straight from Bill Gates' ... face. The MS shipping label on the sealed envelope says it was built on 06-05-2008. It also says "Work Order No. MR086214-MR086227" ... hmmm maybe this is a OEM CD specially built just for Microcenter? In otherwords, Microsoft may have the ability to specialize the OEM disks, on a per workorder basis! Yikes! CDs are already different for europe and asia, and now they might be different for each OEM on a per work order basis?

thanks to everyone for the help ... when I first saw an XP logon screen, the one that I saw had a very sedate, calm and professional look and feel. It was kind of like the 2K logon, with a flatscreen look like linux logons, more colors than 2K logon with gold and blue and ... (memory fails). as Vista was being phased over to 7, it was harder and harder to find XP (that was the marketing by fear rumor that I fell for anyway) so I bought a new mobo, memory, processor, video and hdd with XP pro OEM. Microcenter is kind of nationwide US, and there's one within biking distance from me. They sold me this 2002 version ... wow did I get a surprise. The logon screen is a total insult. Sorry to speak truth to power, but ... back in the dos days, there was this trick exe that one could send to a friend, which opened a small message box "Reformatting of your Hard drive is about to begin ... Click ABORT button to stop." Of course, as soon as the mouseover occured, the message box would jump to a random location ... driving the user crazy until he got the cruel joke. Well ... that is what M$ did to its users with XP PRO v2002. The bouncing initial logon with its bouncing questionmark dingie is 3rd grader cruelgy. It's infantile and demeaning. So I figured it was not real MS. It was. I now believe MS is not so stupid as I thought. With XP Pro, v2002 SP3, I believe they dumbed down the interface, and made it harder to setup with a flattened classical logon and classical look and feel ... so that they could convince the user to bail on XP and go out and purchase Vista and/or 7. I believe this was intentional crippling of the last version of XP. It was done to make the user think XP was 3rd grade bubblegum and stupidity ... so that the user would upgrade to Vista and 7. the hash value thing is quite a difficult one ... I frankly would prefer a hash of very byte on the CD from sector 0 to last, as proof that it's not a switch. I learned that the same burner software, and the same physical burner CD drive, and the same interior fileset, will add a 16x or 32x sectors (1 sector = 1024 ) as buffers. So lead in and traling buffer sizes can change, depending only on the media that is being burned. Somehow the burner has to sense how much buffer the target media is spec'd for, and provide it. Different media need different size buffers. I ran the MD5's of each file of the CD and compared them to a European ISO and all the files checked out, except for 7 files (edit 7 files total being 5 help files, 1 eula statement, and 1 PID file for European versions, where the 2nd line in American version ends in =xxxxxxxOEM and European version ends in =xxxxxxx000. I'm going from memory here so PID and xxxxxxx are likely not exact.) I'm not going to go to vista or 7 because of my old software (mainlyl cad ... so forth) ... I was thinking 2K would be my last M$ product but because of flash, I might shift that up to XP, or I might look for a server 2K3 ... A quick question ... I see XP PRO SP2a on Craigslist all the time ... to get away from the forced bubblegum administrator thingie, I'm thinking of tossing v2002 and installing SP2a and then nLite SP3 ... Does anyone know if XP pro SP2a + SP3 slipstream will give a first logon that is somewhat 2K-like, has one admin account, and doesn't have the welcome to bubblegum XP with bouncing ?-marks, to remind me of old DOS reformat jokes. In XP PRO v2002 you had to have a "SECRET Administrator" account (which M$ apparently wants to be so secret I wasn't sure whether as so-called owner I had all the necessary licenses with permission to access a "shady" admin account), and then you had to create a "Bubblegum Administrator" account, which the bouncing ?-mark idiotic thingie forces the user to install, and which logs on without passwords. The result is that XP PRO v2002 has, by force, 3 admin accounts ... and is unsafe with no forced passwords by default. It has SAFE-mode Administrator (doh), plus SECRET Administrator (or at least a sooo cool shady dood admin account that only clueless noobs like me don't know about), and then unlimited Bubblegum administrators ... none of whom require passwords ... I was really convinced that I was not looking at an XP system. I believe v2002 was probably crippled like that intentionally.

I don't have 4 gpedit files ... I have 5 gpedit files what does that mean? \system32\gpedit.dll \system32\gpedit.msc \system32\dllcache\gpedit.dll \Help\gpedit.chm \Help\gpedit.hlp as to the hash values -- in a hex scan of the iso there are 32,767 leading 0x00's before the first non-0x00 byte there are 311,296 trailing 0x00's after the last non-0x00 byte that would skew the hash the tool that was used to pull the iso was ImgBurn I'll need to check edit - other iso's pulled with the same ImgBurn have leading and trailing 0x00s and their hash values check out so that might not be it does anyone recommend another tool or should I blow off the leading and trailing NULLs and see what happens?

thanks submix8c ... and jaclaz especially ... that was a beautifully clean and clear explanation of a whole lot of history ... it all starts with the minset ... and I appreciate that you understand that that's what I need to understand the whole question of what's-an-administrator even goes back to question of, "What happened to DOS? ... That dosbox is phoney as all get out!" Gill Bates stole dos from some guy in San Francisco and then he comes out with 2K and XP and steals it back from us, after he sells it to us ... now we are left with bubblegum dos in a box ... (Thus, proudly, I am the Chief Bubblegum Administrator around here, got it boyz ... harharhar111) 3.111 workgroups gave owners contorl ... there was no sneaky dishonesty about who's hidding dos ... all gui windows are really just bubblegum sitting on top of dos ... windows 8 is now up to what 30 gig of bubblegum? ... sitting on top of maybe a meg or two of dos ... shameful! F6 anyone? so then the question came up, should "we -- you know, the noble gill bates" allow "those clueless owners" to have "administrative access" to their ownership underlayers ... HARHAR said the pirate ... Access denied, even in safe mode. total noob here but I still like the idea of 1 "Senior-Chief Administrator of the Bubblegum" (S-CAB at the windows level) ... so now I'm a S-CAB (haha) and I need discretion (uh ohh) ... nice to know about safe user history. @submix8c .. thanks for the reg tip ... I finally figured out that I don't need to convert reg to inf for nLite ... just pile up the regs and run them from a batch in runonce ... (slow learner here ... somewhere back when I got my brains stuck in this gigantic vat of boiling gooey bubblegum ... it was almost totally inescapable (in-^[-able ... did I remember that right?) so it took me a long time to finally crawl out ... one of these days I'll make my way back to good old dos I sure wish I had better feelings that the sha1 or md5 of my cd are good ...

GRTMPOEM_EN.ISO size 618,065,920 files are dated 04/14/2008 md5: cf044066e4a9193b388f628fa0c1be7e sha1: 2bcaaf437bac27ddf6816b0f415fcef9bd85463f the hash values of a legal iso should appear all over the place on the internet the sha1 and md5 of my iso appear in one place on the internet ... and that person thought he had fraud hologram side of CD says "XP Professional Includes Service Pack 3 Version 2002" wikipedia doesn't have any mention of it the files are all dated 2008 digitial side of CD behaves like XP Home (as I understand it -setup does not ask for domain name and password -cannot enter an account name for Administrator -it allows multiple Administrators (which I do NOT! want) -administrators logon without password -welcome screen is unbusinesslike, insulting and stupid -bubblegum look and feel -annoying bubbles all over the place -- spreading bubblegum paranoia -- one install screen says "you bought the most secure and safe operation system ever" (something like that) ... but after 1 minute operation without connection to internet, now bubbles pop up proclaiming that it is unsafe!!! microsoft has a funny sense of humor I guess ... haha) I cant upload pictures because when I try upload a 46k image, I get a Upload failed ... used 1000 k of my 1000k global upload quota .. image is 46k! I'd really like to show pictures of the CD and MS product description, showing XP pro then show a picture of the installation Welcome screen which is apparently from XP Home but I can't upload for some reason

thanks jaclaz ... I didn't see your answer before I answered above ... is that the case for all versions of XP In 2000 you just get a logon and you have to enter passwords In XP 2002, you can't enter Administrator as an account and you can't delete the fake administrator that you have to enter and the fake administrator that you have to enter doesn't need a password to log on is that the standard for XP professional? I'm opening a new thread on this ... the hologram picture side of my CD disk says "XP professional" ... the digital side of disk is XP Home

I didn't ask how to give access to users ... I want to know from what account do I install? how to I encourage a program installer to place its program under C:\Program Files (I don't want them all over the place) I also disagree with you that x+1 admin accounts are safer than x admin accounts and 4 admin acounts are safer than 3 and 3 admin accouints are safer than 2 and 2 admin accouints are saqfer than 1 it's the same logic I want one admin account ... ont eh front side of the disk ti says XP pro ... but on the digitial side, it installs XP Home I clearly have XP Home ... I just installed again (a) there's no install screen to enter domain name and password (B) there no account as "Administrator" © during isntall I'm not allowed to setup an account called Administrator (d) I can only access Administrator as Administrator in safe mode (Where i can delete other accuonts) thank you for helping me mount that learning curve -- this is fraud and I'm putting it under a new thread

thanks Ponch! XP Home? ... interesting? frightening actually ... since maybe that's what I have? I pd $160 for it (out of fear), 5-10 years ago, Microcenter (big box) and never tried to install it until now ... installing now only to verify that some snags with 2K extensions with usb are not mobo or chipset then I probably revert back to 2k ... tomasz86 is starting to wrap up a USP5.2 nicely yes I loved windows 3.111 ... I'd still use it if hardware and software was available. now, I am still using 98se I'm interested to learn that this humiliating dongle is not supposed to show up in an XP pro install ... it really does not have the look and feel of Pro, though I don't know pro from nuttin the COA and MS envelope sticker and cd itself all say XP professional The envelope says " Product Description: Windows XP Professional SP3 English 1pk DSP OEI CD" the COA say "Microsoft XP Professional OEM Software" the CD is labeled "GRTMPOEM" (i.e. default ISO name using ImgBurn) is there a way that I confirm that I have XP pro and not XP Home? When I right click My Computer, and select Properties, the General tab says "Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Version 2002 Service Pack 3" that's a very funny version number .. shouldn't it be 5.1.xxxx? that install is built with RyanVM Integrator using QFE's UpdatePack ... maybe he added the wierd version number ... doesn't seem like he'd do that though the files (names, sizes, dates) on my CD compare identically with downloads of XPpro images, except that my ISO is 30 meg smaller ... I figured the diffrence was the way the ISO was compiled ... thus the hash is ifferent but the file names, sizes and dates are identical Microcenter is a huge operation .. they wouldn't do fraud ... arghhh

@jaclaz the 2nd link you gave lists USB files from XP that's the reason I posted here ... because these files are not included in 2K, but I believe they are needed by 2K to be USB bootable according to USBPORT.INF from XP these files might be intended for use in 2K as well, though not a part of any KB patch ... from USBPORT.INF [DestinationDirs] DefaultDestDir=11 ; LDID_SYS ; ; For Windows NT, all drivers go into %windir%\system32\drivers. Since ; there isn't a DIRID (LDID) that represents this path on both NT and Win95, ; we specify the relative path off of %windir%. ; EHCI.CopyFiles.NT = 10, system32\drivers OHCI.CopyFiles.NT = 10, system32\drivers UHCI.CopyFiles.NT = 10, system32\drivers USB.CopyFiles.NT = 10, system32\drivers USBUI.CopyFiles.NT = 11 HCCOIN.CopyFiles.NT = 11 HUB20.CopyFiles.NT = 10, system32\drivers I'm can't read inf, but it looks like copy all *EHCI, *OHCI, *UHCI, *USB and *HUB20 to system32\drivers the next section defines a Generic USB device: ; =================== Table of content ========================= ; note that these are in alphabetical order ; [Manufacturer] ... %Generic.Mfg%=Generic.Section %Intel.Mfg%=Intel.Section ... %SMSC.Mfg%=SMSC.Section ... under the Generic Section we find a comment on backwards compatibility with Windows 2000: ; =================== Generic ================================== [Generic.Section] %PCI\CC_0C0300.DeviceDesc%=UHCI.Dev,PCI\CC_0C0300 %PCI\CC_0C0310.DeviceDesc%=OHCI.Dev,PCI\CC_0C0310 %USB\ROOT_HUB.DeviceDesc%=ROOTHUB.Dev,USB\ROOT_HUB %PCI\CC_0C0320.DeviceDesc%=EHCI.Dev,PCI\CC_0C0320 ; provides backward compatibilty with USB2.0 on WinMe and ; Windows 2000 %USB\ROOT_HUB20.DeviceDesc%=ROOTHUB.Dev,USB\ROOT_HUB20 for the terabyte script to run, 2K needs --hccoin.dll to \WINNT\system32\ --usbui.dll to \WINNT\system32\ --all usb*.sys to \WINNT\system32\drivers\ --USBPORT.INF to \WINNT\inf\ the USBPPORT.INF then ports XP drivers for USB down to 2K (and ME and 98se) so, that's the question ... do these files XP belong in a 2K final? IF this is a standard MS port down from XP to 2K (which is buried in the XP install and rarely noticed), and if the port makes USB under 2K more powerful ... any reason why not?

first install of XP install goes smooth to logon screen then it won't give me a logon screen instead I get this bouncing bubblegum supergod ... and it won't let go and a right click go-away does not make it go away it's some kind of a wierd MS virus? (the machine has never been on the internet) compared to the businesslike solidity of Windows 3.111 I can't believe this is actual Microsoft product the humiliating bouncing questionmark thingie (it's so cute! I'm very impressed!!) requires that I choose to be bothered by popup bubbles warning me that my computer might be in danger even though it's not connected then I have enter one to five secondary administrative level accounts, which the thingie calls user accounts (without warning that these are admin accounts) Control Panel, User Accounts, double click secondary Admin user, doesn't have a delete option I want only one administrator in my machine this MS ?-bubble gumthingie requires that there are TWO! the admin account I want has to be typed in as "Administrator" at first logon, and I want to delete all these secondary administrators, or change them from admin to limited user can someone help a total noob also, when I install a program like Total Commander, which doesn't have registry entries (to manage program installations), and when I want TC to be available to all users, how do I do that? do i have to install it in every user's documents and program files? for some reason Ultradefrag installs (without option) to c:\windows\ rather than to c:\program files\ ... is that normal for XP installs? I am such a noob ... I am totally humiliated to ask these questions. thanks!

hey thanks tomasz86! you're right ... I saw that kb838989 was included in UU-v10c but I had inadvertently copied the filelist for XP over into my 2K database ... so when I did a search it came up ... I was getting tired ... arghh what I'm thinking is that ... we know that XP can be booted from a thumb drive -- so that's a start. If we can tweak the XP script over to 2K (see "USBBoot 2.04 TBS script to enable booting XP from a USB drive" see Additional Items)) then we can get 2K booting from USB. If we can get 2K to boot from USB, then we should also be able to install 2K into a USB!! Then we could install 2K from a setup-USB into a system-USB!! That would be nice for hardware testing! I thought it might be worth an effort. It might be the 2K kernel, or it might be that the script is hardcoded for the XP file set (2K 838989 accomplishes the same thing (recognize USB through power cycles) but it uses different file names. I'm now trying to build a XP machine to verify that it's not my motherboard. major ARGHHH ... visually XP is like going backwards to Windows 3.111!!! Do you remember that one?? I'm hearing windows 8 will be 30 gig! 2K boots the dos phase of an install (the intial copy files) and on first powercycle, it boots the second phase (640 VDA setting up? or something) But at the second power recycle, at last reboot, into final logon screen, the system loses the USB nad returns BSOD 7B. one of the files needed to tweak a XP install to boot from USB is USBPORT.INF I'm not an inf maven (not even hardly ...) but my suspicion is that file is might be worth a quick look see ... If I read the /comment lines right, that inf is intended to port USB files down to 2000 and ME and 98se. Thus a homeoner who has XP and who wants to share XP-level USB with other machines in a domain or something ... on an XP install, I think it's found under I386\ or I386\inf\ ?? (I'm on 98 right now) it might be worth a quick look ... attached is a zip ... if you're familiar with inf-talk, it'll be a read fast (does it port the XP USB files down to 2K? usbohci, usbuhci, ... etc.? that's why I put the question in this thread for 2K options for USB filesets ... Part of pointertovoids quesiton was also related to ICH10R as well, since ICH10R southbridge handles the USB bus AMAZING ... Intel's drivers for AHCI and RAID are XP ... but the Intel drivers for ICH10 USB has a 2K set of drivers. Thus, 2K is flying high for USB side of ICH10R!! It's a standard Intel ICH10R installer ... it's readme.txt file lists 2000 as qualified. It's a few meg so I can gmail if needed, but give me a few days, since I gmail from the library. (I'm on dialup at home). AHCI is nice for servers where 100 clients are all trying to get at different parts of a hdd on a server at the same time. So AHCI queues up all the requests so as to minimize head thrashing and seek time. But the AHCI overhead is useless (or worse) for a single workstation. Where request queue has a depth of all of ... 1) And I don't need RAID so, I don't need ICH10 drivers for RAID or AHCI ... I leave my bios as IDE (just as fast) ... and Intel's ICH10 IDE-to-SATA bridge is straight through 2K as well. I'd like to try blackwing's kernel with the XP script to see if a USB can boot 2K, but I can't figure out how to get a link ... google doesn't translate his site on my 98se browser very well ... he has this tool with dropdown selections to match OS and chipset to his download links ... but google doesn't translate inside the dropdown boxes for me ... so I can't get to the links ... maybe your 2K site could link to some of his kernels? mine mobo is msi P43-neo3f ... P43-ICH10R chipset with core2duo e7300, with windows 2000sp4 and evolving If we can get 2K to boot from USB, then eventually, then we are not far from getting 2K to install into USB ... good for quick testing edit -- forgot to attach zip USBPORT.INF.ZIP

@pointertovoid ... I seem to remember you are using 2k on ICH10 chipset ... ICH10 handles the USB bus ... have you had any luck (or problems) trying to boot from a WinSetupFromUSB setup iso from a USB flash drive? I was wondering where to post this ... this seemed best, because it kind of gets into usb drivers for 2k I have 2K on top of a ICH10 P43 chipset (msi p43neo3f core2duo) bios has all SATA hdds read as straight IDE (no hotswap or raid) intel XP drivers install no questions and fingers crossed ... no problems so far bios for usb is set to recognise legacy USB (choices are enable or disable) disable prevents bios from scanning USB bus for flash drives (if disabled, once loaded 2k will see them fine, but for safety USBs can't selected from a boot sequence) @tomasz86 ... I remember a list somewhere where Update Rollup2 or UUrollup-v10c had included some of the USB drivers from the SP3.CAB cabfile for XPpro? usbccgp.sys usbohci.sys usbunci.sys they were on the list, but I think they were removed from the files and you went with the straight 2K version of KB838989 that was the patch for not losing contact with a USB during power cycles (i.e. during loading phase of booting) the same KB number gives different filesets for XP and 2K, but both sets should address the same issue (obviously) I'm asking because I'm running a script that will almost restore an image of a working 2K system to a UFD ,,, when I restore an image of my 2k system to UFD, the UFD boots, 2K loads in text mode, loads vga mode, but bsod's me with a "7D" when it changes over to logon the techie at terabyte (it's their script) had tested it in 2k and recalled that it worked ... a 2K image can boot from a UFD and run I'm wondering if it might be the 2k USB drivers and the ICH10 (we usually think ICH10 for AHCI or RAID, but ICH10 also controls the USB bus ...) so loading the XP drivers in 2K might make a difference for 2K on ICH10 mobos ... when I boot parted magic from USB it runs fine ... thus, bios plus ICH10 plus linux drivers are "all systems go" when I try to format UFD using WinSetupFromUSB with 2k, the program doesn't see the USB, even to select it as target for formatting ... yet 2K manager will format it, as will everything else I've tested thus, I'm trying to get WinSetupFromUSB to work, but I have the feeling it might be the 2K drivers plus the ICH10 ... any reason you pulled the XP files from the UUrollup2 and the v10c? how do I install them to use them? (I have XPproSP3 ... they are in SP3.CAB) I tried registering them but regsvr32 answered with ... file was loaded but could not find initial entry point ... not a dll or ocx ... something like that do you think it might be the 2K drivers + ICH10 that blocking boot from USB in windows 2k?