maybe leave nLite as-is but include a zip of security presets for desktop and laptop noobs prepared by people who understand how to strip a 2K, XP, 03 system down but leave it running for the standard laptop or desktop user (yes, removing bloat is cool ... but focus is on stability security) thus user starts out with a system focused on security, then user nLites (as-is) to add junk in laptop and desktop users could have separate presets but gamers and other hard core are on their own minimal microsoft everything, OS essentials only, but all essentials needed for alternative everything -- mainly office, browser, email, media, player, etc. strip out all useless MS assumptions, nuisances popups and bubblegum -- such as MS security, MS search, Firewall, AV, EOL notices, phone home everything, automatic updates, etc. but leave essential services available as needed for non-MS programs. Even a preset if possible to prevent other programs from automatically updating themselves. Users can the run nLite as-is to add MS bugglegum back in. -- wish I could volunteer a preset but I wouldn't t know what I was doing (my hands are full fighting on other fronts ...) for users ilke me, it would be easier to start with a nLite preset for a stable core for an ordinary user (minimalist as in minimal MS bunglegum, not extreme minimalist as is full scale bleeding edge). User then nLites (as is) to tweak services up rather than down so nLite is actualy resetting a big mistake that MS made ... the MS assumption of open-wide and all-at-once hurt MS in the long run. Most users can't handle all their bugglegum, all swallowed down in one gigantic hairball, in one big gulp. Presets could be used to reset that big-MS assumption. It would actually help MS get their reputation back. Maybe I'm still in DOS 3.2-ville?