I don't like packages I can not get into and I can't get into these. It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that I Trust No One! Suggestion: if you must package in an installer then use one that can be opened with winzip. Question: how does the upgrade pack relate to the final pack? Just how are these packages meant to be installed. I know writing documentation is not kewl but ... Whatever idea you had in your head is quite safe, it didn't escape to the wider world. TBB opaque packaging with no explanation goes in the bit bucket. That is not a threat, so please don't be a "wannabea victim" and respond as if it is. It is how I manage my system. If I could get into the packages I would not have to waste time with this message. -- Sweet William Have you even tried just Running them? All they do in the beggining is extract the content to the folder you choose. The .exe is simply a wrapper. Just that alone. You wasted a lot of breath and time when 3 clicks would have answered al of your problems.