first of all , i did NOT manualy install anything !!!!!!!! Xp does NOT install with the driver pack ONLY without it , so xp default driver works And no i cant try that cause that computer is not here anymore. ( thx anyway ruud ) i posted the hwids thats all there is left. i do computer repairs, so once in a while i notice that something doesnt work , thats why i posted it. This way i can test lots of machines.