Bruninho

If you saw the FontAwesome github project, they have TTF versions of their webfonts, so no need to convert them ? I dunno about IcoMoon, Bootstrap glyphs. I've only used IcoMoon in one or two projects with very customized icons in web fonts. I still believe the JS problem is due to browser not being able to handle such big JS scripts size. The usage and size of these scripts grew up a lot when jQuery was introduced, and has been growing up every year. That's another reason why I want to ditch jQuery for the projects and try to use more vanilla JS. If someone can manage to make the browser handle the size of the JS scripts, some sort of slow async caching or something like that... then you could avoid the crash, but not guaranteed that the JS would run as expected. We now have browsers for Win 98 that run without JS but can render pages perfectly - They now understand the current modern CSS trends, like Flexbox and CSS Grid. They understand box-shadow, border-radius, CSS gradients and such. I know that, because my website makes use of CSS3 Flexbox and the page was rendered as expected - minus my background images, because they are provided by a JS Parallax script.

Also, I think that what makes JS crash with these browsers is the size of these scripts. They are too big for them to handle (dunno if the browser or windows 98 is the real culprit here). Even though I have rloews ram patch to have 2GB RAM. Probably, I can think its a browser cache issue.

I use fontAwesome glyphs since 2016 all the time at work, basically they are webfont files now, in five different formats to cater for all browsers: eot, svg, woff, woff2 and ttf. My own website uses them for social networks icons and menu icons (this one on mobile devices only). if you visit my site and see 3 social networks icons on top, then your browser can read these webfonts. currently I use the version 5 of FontAwesome (https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/tree/master/webfonts) And this works on all major (modern) browsers (edge, safari, chrome, firefox) and also Opera. I thought that they should be working on SM 2.32 since its Fx 35.x based but no... Bootstrap’s and FontAwesomes glyphs are the most used ones in the world. like goodmaneuver said earlier, it’s possible that something is preventing the download of these webfonts by the browser to correctly exhibit them

That would not work. I believe the JS is tied to the browser engines. They understand the instructions as of the JS versions of that era. Most sites now use jQuery, which is essentially a JS framework (like Vue, React...) that’s the problem; old JS cannot understand the newer, more advanced jQuery, yet alone more advanced vanilla JS instructions. Most of the known vanilla JS properties, selectors and functions of today did not exist back in these days. I tried last week to do a vanilla JS version of the scripts I use on my website. Failed miserably. I could not even do a proper global variables with multi dimensional arrays vanilla JS to reuse in more functions. I mean, I could at least write a vanilla JS parallax script for the background of my site. But it does not work for these browsers either. so basically, your idea of a “transplant” would simply not work.

I can confirm that the solution for the SVG glyphs on Mozilla browsers doesn't work.

I can confirm that SeaMonkey 2.32 works, I had to delete the profile folder and transplant the profile from Firefox 3.6 with JS disabled. Then it began working. We can get Gecko 33 working at least, but with JS disabled. We need to find a way to browse with JS enabled later. The profile trick also fixed Firefox 31.8 ESR for me too, also with JS disabled. But I will not use that Firefox version because its one of the versions where Mozilla started mimicking Google Chrome's look, which I despise... I use SeaMonkey because it reminds me of Netscape, and also, is more stable than Firefox. For now, I have the following browsers installed on Windows 98SE (plus KernelEx updates, official MS updates, unofficial updates, VC redist, DirectX, and rloews patch for more RAM): - SeaMonkey 2.32 (main browser), Netscape 9.0.0.6 (roytam1's NSS update), K-Meleon 75RC3 (roytam1's) and Firefox 3.6.28 (also roytam1's, just in case I need to fix the profile folders again). Thanks for the font and glyphs fix, I will attempt to do them now. Edit: For some reason, whenever I open SeaMonkey (or any newer Firefox than 3.6) I have to copy again the profiles folder. Annoying...

Somehow I cannot revert back to what was working with SeaMonkey 2.29. So I decided to do another snapshot of the VM with a freshly updated KernelEx, saved it, so I don't have to redo some steps again. Now I will retry these browsers again to see if I can repeat it again and find out where I failed after having successfully worked out 2.29. @roytam1: Thanks! I'll get it, of course. UPDATE: Now testing K-Meleon 75RC3. Apart of Apple's website, all sites I visited worked wonders (but JS was disabled for all of them). Here's the list of sites I visited: https://www.globo.com, https://www.youtube.com, https://www.brunocastello.com (my website), https://www.invidio.us (youtube mirror), MSFN forums (but I didn't attempt to log in), https://www.vogons.org (also didn't attempt to log in, but I know it will for sure). Youtube and Invidio.us didn't play any videos, I expected that, since there's no video codecs or plugins installed here. Facebook I went to the login page (but didn't attempt) and Twitter was redirected to the mobile website. Formula1.com also rendered well. One thing to mention about some sites - they may not appear to render properly to you, missing some images, but thats because JS is disabled - some sites do some lazy loading of images with JS hence why they may not look right at some point, but HTML and CSS are properly rendered. I'm pretty satisfied - only needs JS working. I will now proceed to testing with JS enabled. And early signs showed that all pages will crash on me with JS enabled, so KM75RC3 will work well with JS disabled only.

I can run SeaMonkey 2.24 on Windows 98, but I still have the wrong system font, plus it crashes if I load any big news site such as brazilian globo.com, probably because of Javascript. SeaMonkey 2.28 refuses to work complaining of DLLs. I then proceeded to try 2.21 because my research says its same as Fx 24.x, the one that worked with one of the guys that posted here 2 pages ago. I managed to load my own website, VOGONS and MSFN forums. Haven't tried Youtube yet. My Windows 98SE is fully updated, has KernelEx 4.5.2 and the KernelEx updates. EDIT: Switching the Windows 98 system font in appearances tab to Tahoma fixed that issue. Thanks for the tip. Tahoma is similar to the default font, no? My SeaMonkey is still crashing though - I tried youtube and crashed. Must be JS, indeed. EDIT 2: Fixed a typo on my post - I was meant to say SeaMonkey 2.24 not 2.21 EDIT 3: I'm now trying higher SeaMonkey versions but with JS disabled to check how well they render the CSS. Starting with 2.29, it can render my website pretty well and also the brazilian news site and the youtube page (no videos). I will continue trying higher versions until I cannot go higher, but I already know I can't install 2.49.5. No support for SVG fonts (like FontAwesome) so far. And so far, I'm quite, quite surprised with the results. If someone could get JS to work at a decent level, then there MIGHT BE hope... EDIT 4: Can't go past 2.32. When i disable JS, the browser is completely unusable and no url on address bar will load (2.31, 2.32, 2.33, 2.35). I am reverting to SeaMonkey 2.29 - which worked wonders.

What I don't get is how your system font family looks right on Firefox but not on my Firefox install. I tried 31.8 ESR and it installed, ran and i couldnt go to any site I type on address bar. it refuses to go without any sign of life.

SeaMonkey 2.28

Let me try it and report to you in a couple of minutes. I've installed Firefox 9.0.1, It still has the wrong system fonts all over the UI, but its working somewhat and I don't know how. EDIT: For SeaMonkey 2.28, I need MSVCR100.DLL, it's complaining about this missing DLL. I don't know where to get km75rc3 either. EDIT 2: Got the DLL from my Win2K VM. Now complains about KernelXP.DLL and NTDLL.DLL... I definitely need to start using dependency walker.

Nope, nope. I like it the way it is. That VM of Win 3.x is working almost exactly as it was 30 years ago when I first used it, along with my DOS era games. The Win 98SE VM actually I just left shutdown - It has KernelEx 4.5.2 and Netscape 9.0.0.6. And the Win 2000 SP4 VM has BlackWingCat's kernel extender along with more updates. Running almost smoothly with SeaMonkey 2.49.5 skinned to look like Netscape 4.x. Although SeaMonkey takes a LOT of time to load before first run. And has all my 9x era games (as far as I can remember them all). I thought of a Win 10 VM for more recent games, but not worth it. I'll just bootcamp it one day when I have time to follow the guide about removing some features from it and reducing footprint & data collection.

Yeah, I have it installed there! It was the reason why it came to my mind. That's the closest thing

BTW, is there a way to reduce the Windows 10 footprint on hard disk? Currently it is ten times bigger than my Windows 2000 VM...

Yeah, I don't deny that, he did an awesome job and even brought back Netscape 9 with his cipher & TLS2 update just because I asked about it - I'm also a big fan of Netscape browsers. I can assure you that my joke was an innocent one. I am a big fan of the Windows for Workgroups 3.11, 16 bit style operating systems. Another reason for the joke was that I believe it would be simply impossible to do a kernelex for that operating system in particular and even if we could, theoretically speaking, MAYBE we would only be able to windows 95 apps from early 32 bit era. But one can dream, right? Now, back on the subject, currently for me the most usable browsers on Windows 98 are Netscape 9.0.0.6 (with Roytam1's update) and Retrozilla 2.2. I have Netscape as my main browser actually.

Huh? The joke was not even a critic, I never criticized KernelEx. Yes I like it on 2000, 98 isn’t that bad at all but it’s not their fault because browsers, security protocols, have evolved quite fast these years that Win98/KernelEx can’t keep up with them nowadays. And my criticism was always targeted towards the browsers and the excessive number of custom browsers for XP but almost nil options for 98/Me. I don’t get why there are more custom browsers for XP when even official browsers still work perfectly on XP. IMHO people should be more focused in doing custom browsers for 98/Me/2000 than XP. In one or two years, 2000 will be where 98 is now. Youtube is starting to break for 2000 with their revamped version, so 2000 users will soon be where 98 users are now. It’s normal - HTML, JS and CSS are always evolving. Retro compatibility are one of the reasons why I want people to stop using jQuery and learn vanilla JS. But jQuery has taken so much dominance these days that its now incredibly hard to go back to the vanilla. (Trust me, I tried to do that with my new website and a week later, I was doing jQuery again). Don’t get me wrong - I like 98, that was my 1st and favorite choice for a retro gaming pc, for nostalgia reasons, but without browsing options I had to resort to the closest thing to the 98 that exists- 2000. I’m not happy with that either but I can live with that. Anything that is not Windows 10, I’m good. However, I’m pretty sure that the number of 98/Me enthusiasts aren’t going down because of my, or someone elses criticism, but yes because of the lack of news on KernelEx or updates for these systems. We are pretty much stuck with what we have now. People want to go forward so you can’t blame them for looking elsewhere for other options such as 2000. I have spent months and lost nights trying to improve 98 for better browsing. No luck, sadly. I did all I could. If anything, I made the joke with the intention to praise what KernelEx has done for both systems, not as a critic. I just caught myself thinking “what if we had that for 3.x too? Oh, I can dream.” And hey presto, there was an april fools joke. I’m sorry if you didn’t get it the way I did.

I know its a bit late for an April Fools joke, but I was busy with my new website version (nothing “new”, just dark mode added and a few JS tweaks). While I was doing that I thought of a good April Fools joke: ”KernelEx released for Windows 3.11!” LOL.

How come I didn’t know about this guide? It would possibly make Win 10 bearable for me in certain situations. I might try it when I reinstall it again some day.

Hate to say, but I did try to run FX 24.x esr, it did install and run, but only without JS. Not good enough for me, plus it crashed a lot often for me. I couldn’t access vogons forums because of ciphers anyway. Haven’t tried msfn forums but I suppose it would be the same problem. I ditched the snapshot later anyway

KernelEx needs a LOT of work before we even start trying these browsers again. Not even stable, Fx crashes almost every time, and browsing without JS is a big no-no for me.

I don't really like the UI of newer firefoxes, it was when they started to follow Google Chrome's trend of ugly browser UI, but if there's a way to make it look a lot more like older versions, while still being able to browse the web on Windows 98, I'm all for it. A newer SeaMonkey would be enough for me (currently running 2.49.5 on Windows 2000, I couldn't run the latest one because they dropped XP support on it). But browsing without JS support and without Youtube too? I'd rather stick to Windows 2000, where it all works well. Anyway, I hope the guys can find a way to improve the situation for better browsing options. I know I've tried a lot of tests with several versions and tweaks months ago and many lost sleepy nights as well... I never managed to get these versions of Firefox to work on my Windows 98SE VM (although I use a VMware Fusion virtual machine instead of a proper real thing) Tell him to run dependency walker and see which dlls he needed to make it work maybe?

Naturally, the less JS bloat the better is the website. If you need JS to justify more security, then you're doing it wrong.

that did the trick and msvcr90.dll from another win2k install I had working. Managed to install net 2.0 and vc++ 2008. then WUA 3.0. All clear for me now. thanks

Something probably wasn't properly installed in my Win2k QEMU. I cannot update the Windows Update Agent with the WUA installer (reports unrecoverable error and complains about the lack of MSVCRT90.dll) and I cannot install last supported WinZip version too. While on VMWare I can still access Windows Update and run WinZip. I've lost almost two days trying to debug the problem.

I just wanted to let you guys know about getutm.app, UTM is an app to run Qemu on iOS. The latest beta release has improved a lot, I can now run Windows 2000 Professional on my iPad Pro 2nd gen 64GB, I created a 16GB hard disk image for that. I went with Win 2k to see how far I could go. Currently I can allocate 1GB of RAM for that machine - But I believe I can allocate twice more, so I could probably have a smooth FIFA 99 or Need For Speed II gameplay. I have almost everything working (sound, networking, vga...) except clipboard copy/paste and file sharing. So far so good, I havent tested games or apps. But I suspect it wont be powerful enough for this. And I wanted a DOSPad replacement anyway, DOSPad is too old (2015 / iOS 10), so I will transfer my VMWare Win 3.x machine to replace and use less storage and resources. I could run Win 98 - But without a good browsing option, I quickly discarded the idea.