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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Actually, that requirement is no longer true ... The linked report inside the official PM Forums was originally posted in mid-December of last year, as UCyborg once said , long ago in IT world time... Again, in Saturday's Serpent 52, dom.enable_performance_navigation_timing;true browser restarted (for good measure), then "the whole page GT feature" was tested: Result (you'd have to allow pop-ups from GT, first): Whether this is due to a change on Google's side or to advancements on the platform's (UXP) side, I can't really tell ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... How so? I have, since long ago, performanceObserver enabled and here (yesterday's St52 32-bit) GT works as expected: -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... So it's this mighty villain : https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/structuredClone Unless I'm mistaken, this takes its place in history as the first JS "shiny" to not only be a UXP-killer, but a Windows XP/Vista killer at the same time : No browser able to currently launch under these OSes (Vista's Extended Kernel not taken into account here ) supports this natively ; and, to rephrase what's been posted above by Mathwiz, MS, in their infinite idiocy , used this piece of code to establish access to "their" downloads ; whatever happened to good ol' clickable links? -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Why not document those modifications in your GitHub palefill fork ? -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
After reading the documentation, https://content-security-policy.com/unsafe-hashes/ me thinks we're blessed that "our" UXP-based browsers fail that test: ... Consistent with the documentation: -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Just thought it prudent to post about it here, too (originally found in the official MCP forums): https://addons.palemoon.org/addon/wctoggle/ This XUL extension is compatible with St52 (haven't tested it on St55/NM28, but should be) and contains a button that can be put onto the toolbar (/elsewhere in the visible GUI) that, when clicked, can toggle the native WebComponents+ShadowRoot support OFF/ON; the focused/selected browser tab is being reloaded when that button is clicked (so, don't click it while typing something on-line inside that tab ), to have that tab render without/with WCs... I found the extension useful in a niche use case of mine, more about that in a future post ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
They fixed it in their code tree before you posted about it here. ... For those members that have not been following this, the reference made is to the "GitHub-vanishing-timestamps-bug" I first reported here, with further instances of it reported here and here ... Affected Serpent 52 versions in my case were 32-bit builds with BuildID=20230302072906 and BuildID=20230310123711; the second one was less tested, because of it being crash-prone ... The bug manifested itself when (martok's) palefill extension was disabled and native WC+SR support left at its default "enabled" state; throwing palefill into the mix resulted in adverse effects , sadly, as far as that bug was concerned... I could easily and reliably reproduce the bug, both in "dirty" and "fresh" St52/NM28 profiles; rather unfortunately, others here could not (not their fault, obviously ), so I got the sense my bug report was being doubted/disputed ... Many thanks @UCyborg for posting about it in the official Pale Moon forums; in your screengrab: one can witness the bug present in latest PM 32.1.0b3 (64-bit) ... For "closure", the bug was fixed (many thanks conveyed to the upstream dev, @FranklinDM) via merging PR #2152 in MoonchildProductions/UXP/commit/4c4bc3c, which landed in "our" tree as roytam1/UXP/commit/18e6934 ... I have been running the latest St52 (32-bit) build (ID=20230315155040) for close to 7hr and can verify that (annoying) bug as fixed ! Additional thanks for your words of wisdom below, on why running official (martok's) palefill (enabled) alongside the native WC implementation should not be encouraged: -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
You can always go to about:config and toggle "dom.enable_performance_observer" to "true"; the reason it's not true by default/already is Moonchild's objection to it ... EDIT: My post is probably redundant now , because of this ; but I hadn't got to it by the time I hit the "Submit" button (always lessons to be learnt) ... -
"Segrite" is the brand name of the corporation that targets the Enterprise market ; Home Users are being targeted through Quick Heal: https://www.quickheal.co.in/home-users All these are paid-for products, because dedicated coders do need to make a living ... Some free tools are also offered: https://www.quickheal.co.in/free-tools Best regards
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... And I never implied you did anything wrong (thought to self: Why "web people" of this "era" are so "touchy" ? ) - I was directly replying to @Humming Owl, but I neglected (/deemed it superfluous) to tag him - well, now I have ...- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... I used it there in the sense of "Opening/Original/First Post"; see e.g.: https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/op-meaning- 2,340 replies
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... And his "Notice" writes: https://github.com/abbodi1406/vcredist#windows-vista-notice ... And he's actually right; the last standalone file "VC_redist.x86.exe" provided by MS that will install out-of-the-box on Vista SP2 32-bit is of version 14.31.30919.0: https://download.visualstudio.microsoft.com/download/pr/8c1c2dbb-0856-4dc3-b863-b16c637bc245/E55681B9E07A58F7143E5AB5941F45DE0B485E0C9933B0CB6B702D3921F48527/VC_redist.x86.exe Subsequent versions 14.31.31005.0, 14.31.31103.0, 14.32.31302.0, 14.32.31326.0 and 14.32.31332.0 had their installers blocked from launching under Vista SP2, but their "payload"/content (various DLLs) continued to remain Vista-compatible ; next version 14.34.31823.3 had several of its DLLs contain Win7+ function calls ... So, the last of abbodi1406's vcredist AIO custom pack with full/proper Vista SP2 support is v0.6.1 (2022-06-21): https://github.com/abbodi1406/vcredist/releases/download/v0.61.0/VisualCppRedist_AIO_x86_x64_61.zip What point would there be in doing so ? Its VS2022 DLLs are incompatible with Vista and, if force-installed, would fully break all apps requiring the VS2015-2022 runtime ...
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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Can confirm ; the page does load, but clicking any of the download options (buttons) doesn't initiate a download ; it's JS related: What's worse, I couldn't get a download to happen with any of 360EEv12/13/13.5 and KafanMiniBrowser, so I'm not able to fetch the Edge files under this Vista SP2 x86 laptop; any working workaround will be appreciated ... -
360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
True, but not in the sense discussed here; in 360EEv11, navigate to "chrome://settings/advanced", then scroll further down to "HTTPS/SSL": If you press the top first button (Manage certificates...), you are presented with an OS window: a clear indication it's using the OS cert store... Now, if you click the third bottom button (with Chinese characters), you do get access to its built-in cert store, but that is only meant to be used within China, for mainly Chinese sites: What's more, the user has no edit access whatsoever to that cert store, i.e. expired certs can't be deleted, nor new ones be imported... FYI, all variants of 360EE (v11/12/13/13/5) have the same cert stores structure (access to the MS cert store + QiHoo provided one); more info about the QiHoo/360 cert store can be found at below link: https://caprogram.360.cn/#plan (in the header, select "English") Regards.- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... First press "Apply", then "OK", maybe?- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Additionally, your OP contains below link: https://xpforever.miraheze.org/wiki/360_Extreme_Explorer which now, sadly, returns : Regards ...- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... How so? When you selected win2k compatibility mode in 360Loader.exe's Properties window, did you click "Apply" before clicking OK? That window looks as below under Vista (should be similar on XP): In any case, can't reproduce this here ...- 2,340 replies
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360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
@Chuck : Also take note of the "workaround" posted by @rereser: https://www.xpforums.com/threads/360-extreme-explorer-chrome-69-for-windows-xp.934574/page-3#post-3269734- 2,340 replies
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VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) is NOT supported by Windows XP SP3, has never been, even with the POSReady updates... But some POSReady update(s) did implement native TLS v1.1/1.2 support in XP - don't ask me for further details, running Vista SP2 here... To update your XP Microsoft Store certs, see below: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183352-proxhttpsproxy-and-httpsproxy-in-windows-xp-for-future-use/- 2,340 replies
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My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... Another villain is below "Notifications wizard": to be found in the right GH "sidebar"... It's akin to the "Assets wizard" under GH releases page that you described; when you load a GH page containing either one, the wizards display (in the background) a constantly spinning circle, which consumes many CPU cycles ; the wizards don't display fully until you scroll past them (downwards or upwards), thereafter the CPU consumption drops (until you have to reload the page, that is ...) - this behaviour doesn't change whether you use the native WC implementation (palefill disabled) or palefill standalone (native WC disabled) ... NB: The Notifications wizard pictured above does not display at all when you browse GH being logged-out; the "Assets wizard", however, will still cause the heavy CPU usage until scrolled past... As one would expect , I haven't experienced such heavy CPU usage when using 360EEv13.x to browse GH pages containing those two wizards ... Regards. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... For starters, you shouldn't do that (when testing), as palefill conflicts/interferes with native WC: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?p=237202#p237202 From Moonchild himself: Second, I have always been talking about Serpent 52 (actually, its previous version of 2023-03-02); but just to humour you and be on the same ground as you, I did launch a quasi-fresh profile of latest NM28 [v28.10.6a1 (32-bit) (2023-03-10)], where I installed and enabled palefill-v1.26 and then restarted it, for good measure... My GitHub testing repo this time is https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey/commits/master At first load, the relative timestamps do appear (in the "hours" range) - this is now with both palefill+native WC enabled, as you suggested; now try and continuously soft reload that page (by clicking the "reload current page" toolbar button); soon enough you'll get (I did, on my 5th attempt ) the missing timestamps bug: If, like me, you spend hours inside GitHub, then you "can't miss it"; this bug exists, as I've tried in fresh profiles (mainly St52, but lately NM28, too) and combinations of: a) native WC+SR enabled, palefill disabled (recommended by Moonchild) b) native WC+SR enabled, palefill enabled c) either of the two above, being c1) logged-in to GH or c2) logged out from GH The only combination (for me) where the relative GH timestamps remain permanently fixed is d) native WC+SR disabled, palefill enabled FWIW, with the above combination, the (latest) NM28 with fresh profile used to generate above screengrab consumes virtually 0 CPU when being minimised here: Conclusion: Everyone's setup may behave slightly differently, in a stochastic fashion , and this makes troubleshooting and fixing bugs quite a daunting task on the part of the devs ... Best regards. -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
... The GH timestamps bug isn't limited to commits view/issue comments etc., and when "minutes" only; e.g. I just loaded https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/tag/1.47.5b13 and tada : ... Reminds me of palefill issue no. 60 (different but related, sort of ): https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/60 ... -
My Browser Builds (Part 4)
VistaLover replied to roytam1's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
Hi all ... Over the last 7 days or so, I have been browsing GitHub with the palefill extension disabled, thus making use of the recently corrected+improved native Web Components + Shadow Root support (i.e. "dom.webcomponents.enabled;true"+"dom.getRootNode.enabled;true); this is with previous Serpent v52.9.0 (2023-03-02) (32-bit), because with latest I get xul.dll crashes on GH 404 pages (see previous posts of mine). With native WC I get overall better performance on GH compared to when using palefill (both the prefs I mentioned above should be toggled to false when using palefill, BTW), an added bonus is Turbo (aka "soft navigation") is now working on GH (palefill specifically disables it/is incompatible with it ) ... But I've stumbled upon an irritating bug: GitHub timestamps ; when those are in the "minutes range" (e.g. 20 minutes ago), they pull a disappearing act ... Several minutes ago I loaded https://github.com/roytam1/UXP/commits/custom and took below screengrab: These timestamps are (or should be) dynamic, i.e. after 1 min has passed, their values should increase by 1 (so the one on latest commit should read "16 minutes ago"); give it a minute, boom, all timestamps vanish : To make the timestamps display in their updated state/values, you have to hard-refresh (CTRL+F5) the page (and even that occasionally fails) ... The same thing happens with comment timestamps inside a GH issue tracker; I can't hard-refresh the page while in the middle of writing a comment myself, yet I still need to have a way to tell how back (in minutes) the recent comments above (the one I'm about to submit) were posted ... Can someone with access to "upstream" (e.g. @UCyborg ) relay this bug to them, so, perhaps, it could be investigated and, hopefully, remedied? Many thanks -
360 Extreme Explorer Modified Version
VistaLover replied to Humming Owl's topic in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
which is: https://www.superguidatv.it/canali/ My version 360EEv12 (build1592) has no issues loading/displaying those thumbnails/images... But I'm on Vista SP2 32-bit... The images are being served securely from an "api.superguidatv.it" hostname, e.g. for RAI 1: https://api.superguidatv.it/v1/channels/217/logo?width=120&theme=light Perhaps this is a certificates issue in OP's setup? Some other "privacy" related setting and/or extension? If you notice closely, even the images under "GUIDA TV" aren't being displayed, e.g. https://www.superguidatv.it/wp-content/themes/SGTV-Newspaper/img/ic_accesstime_56px.png- 2,340 replies