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I have lots of systems where bootlog.txt or ntbootlog are simply not working,. So im not surprised that its not working in this case too. Im sure if because im using using grub at the top of Windows boot loaders, Himex, or pached io.sys or because some fixing of booting because of multibooting fixes. Also i case of USB booting of Windows it does not seems that bootloging is working. It was always hit and miss on my machines and even when it froze it often hard to find out where was ther problem, but it could be a lot of lines above the last entry. Its server there is not much options at all, there 2 SCSI controllers with im using 1 for Win 2000,XP and Server 2008 + Debian, second Adaptec 29160 is for tape drive. Windows 98 and NT are loaded for 1 single port PATA controller this controller does not support RAID at all. NT bootloader booted fine from the same disk, now its rewritten by WIndows 98 bootloader and i have to restore it, maybe it will bypass that WIndows 98 boot freeze. I had problem to restore Windows NT4 boot loader, because boot cd needed for it NT4 server emergency floppy (not some install start floppy), but this floppy is not some standalone to download, but you have to create it when you have running system, i had not time yet install WinNT4 server into some virtual machine.. I want to keep SCSI enabled, yeah it could be root cause. Because SCSI controllers afaik as understand often using IRQ 13 which are often used by IDE PATA disk controllers too. I can just select first boot device.. and options are Harddisk 0 - IDE, Hardisk 1 - SCSI controllers.. Only thing which can do is change IRQs for SCSI controllers ant there priority - select primary slot. PATA Disks on these systems are mostly mentioned for failover and CD ROM drivers. There are some strange things this like IRQ 40.. Im not even sure if can disable on board SCSI, because its realized by some on board chip + addon card combo with own CPU and memory, i so far i did not wanted to do it because its not fast machine to restore installations from backups. There are another strange thing, which could be problem, like addon Remote management card (RSA), which is per IBM machine line specific and its used as video card, it has some Radeon 7000 chip (on Board is ATI Rage XL, but its autodisabled when RSA card, or addon Videocard is added and there is not any option to select videocard). If i place some PCI videocard into system, when i place it in slot a top of RSA card, its booting but there are is error about shared resources, so RSA card is not working at all, when i place it in slot under RSA card, only RSA is working and im getting error code 1802. This code is know in IBM knowledge base, there is paper to it its explained that there has to be enough place for ROM between 640 Kb and 1024 kB and there is info that only solution is remove some other addon cards and still in some cases like mine is unsolvable because Roms are too big (i removed all expect videocards and primary SCSI it was still not enough). There is mentioned that is hard PC standard limit. Im sure that newer machines somehow bypassed it, but not this machine. I have tried to transfer Dos 7.1 / Windows 98 boot menu which are working on all other machines and tried to load Windows / MS 7.1 from it, because there is even not bypassing also loading files working, i just get into boot menu, select some options and get freeze, because any message is shown on the screen, not even step by step.. I guess that is because a bit different msdos.sys settings. Well i got this server exactly because i wanted to check some of these server oddities.. and i wanted to install Windows 98 on it just because all other more modern OSes were running fine.

I have checked bootlog its as usually not outdated, probably from some previous successful boot. There is some display error and some fonts errors - it could be related to Revolutions Pack 9.7, it not sure if these are critical or not. LoadStart = DISPLAY.drv LoadFail = DISPLAY.drv Failure code is 0002 LoadStart = vga.drv LoadSuccess = vga.drv LoadStart = DISPLAY.drv LoadSuccess = DISPLAY.drv InitDone = DISPLAY Init = Display Resources InitDone = Display Resources LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\MARLETT.TTF LoadFail = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\MARLETT.TTF Failure code is 0016 LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\serife.fon LoadSuccess = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\serife.fon LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\sserife.fon LoadSuccess = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\sserife.fon LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\coure.fon LoadSuccess = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\coure.fon LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\symbole.fon LoadSuccess = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\symbole.fon LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\smalle.fon LoadSuccess = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\smalle.fon LoadStart = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\LUCON.TTF LoadFail = C:\WINDOWS\fonts\LUCON.TTF Failure code is 0016 When i try bootlog boot menu option 2, it return me after while back to boot menu, after i select normal start, get classical freeze and bootlog is not update at all. Yeah exactly.. Himex, may help, because when i tried to load win after start from classic Win98 floppy i got freeze.. That is probably because of 512 MB+ memory, which Rloew patch bypass i checked autoexec and config, there is virtually nothing. So you are saying that i should add into in himemX? I have tried BootGUI=0 but behavior seems the same i logo is shown and freeze after if im not wrong, maybe i need add some boot options etc, create some boot menu items.

Hi, i have old iBM x235 server with 32bit Xeon 2.8 Ghz and 3GB RAMand 6 SCSI disk array + PATA IDE 80 GB disk + CD-ROM to experiment to experiment, i managed to install NT4, Windows 2000, XP and Windows sever 2008 x86 + Debian 11 on it. I have tried to install Win98 SE (vanilla + rloew 512 MB patch and Quick install version)on it, on IDE PATA disk, to by pass maybe not existing IBM ServeRaid SCSI i5 driver (Its Adaptec 320 based, but so far i did not found working non IBM, Adaptec driver for it).. Some questions: 1) There is some driver for DOS for this SCSI controller, i dont tested it yet.. Maybe in could be loaded at the start Windows 98.. im not sure it would bypass missing Win9x driver or not full Win9x driver is needed.? 2) Windows 98 install first part copy of files is running fine, but after first reboot, its stuck on Windows 98 logo loading (Rloew >512 MB RAM driver is already included in install cd image), when i try to use the safe mode its the same, i dunno why maybe because of SCSI controller is present, or im using IBM RSA II PCI addon card (Radeon 7000, plus ethernet and some USB port) as display card. Im not sure i can just disable SCSI controller in bios or remove temporaly raid PCI-X card, without losing data.. I can remove RSA II card and use onboard video (Radeon XL) or addon PCI card with PCI-X compatibility - i have couple of them.. If use some DOS 7.1 boot on floppy or CD-ROM boot, im able to boot into Dos fine.. its used to start Win98 install too. Otherwise there is just addtional Adaptec 160 controller (without any device) addon card, besides of RSA card and ServeRaid.. Yes i know i can try to connect some SCSI disk to it too and install Windows 98 on it. Update: I was able to finish install by using F8 and command prompt and win /D :X :S etc.. command.. , problem is that i still have to start WIndows this way, i have tried to win /D :X or win /D :S.. it seems that it does not matter what is used, but there is something in standard boot what needs to be bypassed.. Hmm even win without parameter just works, but i have to go command prompt first, direct normal boot is stuck.

6150 on Board on WIn98SE with patches failing.. I tried to modify - original 81.xx inf files and 82.69 abd 82.69 Maximus decimus tweaker drivers to make Geforce 6150 - Nforce430 on ECS MCP61PM-AM board working. i can install drivers fine. I but always hit classic Windows protection error wall, SIV is reporting that Video card is Nforce 405 (with this name its detected in Windows Xp), it should be 430, but it tried both same with forcing Geforce 6200 driver. Nvidia is not mentioned in original drivers.. In original i tried to add as NV30 same codename as Geforce 6200. I have some more modern board with Geforce 7050, when i expect the same result.. I wonder have someone even working nforce on board videocard like this in WIndows 9x.. My experience is that sometimes clean install can do such things, but more used machine is starting to hit Windows protection error, more and more.

Superium is nice, great idea.., but its like that is working fine good on 3 of 5 computers and it still has not SSE2 version. There is also Thorium, so not tested it much so far.

I have tried this way, its no go.. 7zip - 7z or zip max compression is ignoring cabs.. When extracted all cabs - which im not sure if supported by installer and repackages them again.. I was able on second disk data get from 50 MB to 45 MB, so only 10% removed. So this is not way. I seems that used compression is pretty good, especially for year 1998.. If it would work yes i can add on zip some partitioning tools like fdisk do partition and formatting and after copy files.. And if use 2 zip media i can after avoid zip media switching, but it could be done with some deeper data knowledge too, but need to unpack and copy files. So it would really need some deeper knowledge. I have some old minimal CD image thread, but it seems that links are dead: Best what i could find is this: https://www.litepc.com/98micro.html Not its not mainly about installer size, but about install size.. and its possible only with 98lite Profesional, which is still paid SW: https://www.litepc.com/98lite.html

Yeah that is possible too, but with his im trying different approach, to be able to install it into clean hdd with as many steps as possible. My memory is a bit blurry if you have to partition hdd before installation, or you can partition hdd within installer. Its not problem boot form ZIP driver, with fully configure Dos enviroment (1.44 HDD floppy is small a bit slow, on ZIp driver i have full Dos 7.1 and big pack utils and drivers- that is using firsst 20 MB) a run fdisk and format from it too. There was even Win 98 floppy edition, 39 floppies so (39x1.44= ~60 MB), i was somehow trimmer. I dunno if installer is clever enough if you copy floppies on HDD / ZIP if it would detect next *.cab in same dirrectory without requiring some file pointing or stuborny require inserting net floppy. Yesterday i found some Win98 floppy installation video, at the end is comparison of CD and Floppy version available utilities: - know that was floppy version of Win95, but i was unsure about WIn98. To be more technical, i wonder if someone tried to trim installer, or found some filelist which with some order of required files (or *.cab) and which are mandatory and which are optimal.. At eatleast when if just with 1 ZIP media replacement, would be much better than have to switching zips, multiple times. Other method would be just remove not neccesary files like themes, images, sounds and enable some auto skip of missing not mandatory files. Remove really obsolute drivers if they not mandatory, its should be possible too. Or even remove not obsolete drivers, so trim installation size.. in order that user can install them after OS installation is done.

Hi, i googled how to start Win98SE from ZIP drive, i expected that i will find a lot of tutorials, how to do it, but i found almost nothing. Maybe not right keywords.. Because some classical problem with half dead CD-ROM / floppy drives, boot from USB is not working, Plop bootloader mean additional drive and floppy and cdrom swapping or very user unfriendly, not straight forward hdd bootloader. ZIP or 250, 750 MB are hard to get. Otherwise at least ZIP 100 USB, is still working within WIndows 10 64bit up to date. I found some minimal installation projects, its something different, i care only about installer size, but more useful features in target disc -=> better. I have tried to make some install with helping of chatgpt and help, i was sort of fun, chatgpt was wrong in very 2nd statement as usually. My first try, meant like 4 ZIp driver swaps, i copies majority of from 1st Zip floppy and copied the rest on 2nd. Goal is get rid of the second one. Problem is that whole Win98 setup folder after some basic trimming has 130 MB, ZIP has like 95 or 100 MB. I also like to have ZIP bootable with full Dos 7.1 and most of dos drivers and tools, its additional 20 MB, if it would be possible => 75 MB version would be very nice. And big question is what i can remove, or how make number of floppy swaps minimal.. and if possible make some tutorial or script which would help to create ZIP friendly installer. I tried way: Select all Base*.cab - 2 MB Keep all Drivers .cab - 16 MB Net *.cab - Net 7- to 10 - 5 MB Precopy.cab - 2.7 MB Minicab - 0.7 MB WIN98_OL.CAB - 1.7 MB WIN98_XX.CAB // Its starting on 21, i could add them up to 46.. size of one is 1.7 MB - to 26x 1.7 MB - 44 MB So i could not fit to image these: Win98_47.cab to WIn98_74.CAB ----------- Not working networking - Its just some side effect, i installed nimimal version, not any optimal feature selected in installation wizard, network card was not detected, no drivers packaged on CD. I wanted to install network stack later, i added realtek 8139/8100 NIC drivers and TCP / IP / IPX, Microsoft Network client later. All installed to exclamation marks, errors, login window with screen icon as indicator, but networking was not working. When i tried ping or telnet i got error - unknow commands. I remove whole stack reinstalled it, but never was asked or saw copying or requesting common tools like protman, arp.exe (i know i probably butchered names, i refuse to remember such things) and similar files script, in dialog. There was not even ICMP.dll, which is required by ping. I searched optimal features, but there not nothing like networking stack, some management tool, hyper terminal etc.. Still not ping. I searched CD image there are such files inside Net*.cabs.. there are normally copied during installation.. but not this time and even messing with optimal features and removing / adding whole network start, did not made trick, it looks like that there is some filelist created during installation and when some files are not available system behave like these package are not existing. When i copied ping manually, i was complaining about ICMP.dll utility which was also not installed. I could be wrong but these tools seems not be in Dial up package. ---------- When i started installation from live system and CD within, after end of process networking worked fine and at least some files/ command where availabl,networking is working fine. I would understand, if i would not install networking stack would not be on ZIP media, but im quite so that it was.

Thanks, are you able to right mouse run CMD here *.reg too? Its very handy in every version of windows. By the way, some nice cmd or better console / shell recommandation would be handy too.

Thanks for info, reg files are always very handy. You are right that use rightmenu Explore or Explorer.exe would give user different view or settings than standard double click.. as usually because i don't using every day i completely forgot that it exists.

If Tweaks do only these simple thing, it should be easy to debug.. I expected that is much bigger package, or even whole SP3.. Because them i did some networking change i saw that source of files which were autocopied so SP3.cab. Its long time when i last time fiddle with SP3, is there some way how to install/ uinstall just these tweaks alone? We can exclude icons, first row. I dunno what second row does. Third row is a swap, small change. Only if some part of networking driver would be somehow swapped and driver does not expecting that.. I would bet on 4th line, if Network cards are using DMA, im not sure.. I know that videocards and soucards are using DMA, probably even some TV and Capture cards, but im not sure about NICs, i never saw some DMA settings for them, maybe drivers just do it. I there is some PCI Bus driver which are interacting with NIC and using DMA..

I double check TweakUI settings and was indead as the bottom and explorer tab, save Explorer settings. I had it on and check it before, maybe it needed a reboot. Im glab that it was that simple, the most old school people just start Total Commander after OS start and use it, im not im Windows explorer guy, so i really need this. Thanks. I tried TweakAll too, but there was very few settings available for NT4 and nothing about explorer. I also tested whole collection of Windows 9x apps, what is working on not Windows NT and usually there is something for particular task what supported NT4 with SP6.

I finally solved it.. I lost my patience and simply uninstalled SP3.. Im not sure, but if im not wrong it is unsupported, not recommended or something like that. I expected that i till brick my install by it, but it survived. I simply went into Add Remove / Programs add removed SP3 Tweaks, it was very quick in virtual machine. So it seems that much if any files where updated. After i simply deleted SP3.cab, that is maybe not needed redundant step. Rebooted.. i did not touch any network or any other configurations, did not see any HW detection etc and network started working again.. After first boot there was some freeze at machine start, desktop loading busy cursor, system not reacting.. i dunno if it was some accident or not, but any next reboots were fine. ----- Remove all SP3 goodness is probably lame solution, i suspect that in my systems are still SP3 files used.. Im not sure what these tweaks meant, if whole kernel etc, changes, or just some registry tuning etc.. I strongly suspect that problem was in some TCP IP changes, like more parallel connection, bigger packets etc.. protocol versions etc, i remember from school that TCP has 7 layers and when i heard that statement i refused to dig into it, except basic configurations. This problem appeared sooner or later on all my physical and virtual Windows 98 installations and it had to restore backups to get it of it at multiple locations.. I never saw it in other OS. Multiple locations - i think that this exclude some bad networking sniffing / tries to discover some Wins/ DNS/ Workgroup neighbor networking components, wiht some half broken packets.. and some routers auto bans, i dunno router could be too clever with some firewall / anti hacking features), i checked my router admins for such rules, but i did not found nothing like that, but i never liked networking stuff. ----- I would like to still fix it and be able to use SP3, or SP3 without its networking stack.. But we are still at the beginning, i need someone who really understand networking in Win98 and is willing to debug it. So far all magic command above did not helped, because networking was virtually totally dead, command above where gave me some helpful output, or not output at all (mostly), problem happen before something happened.. Only real error is on start error number reported by ping.. Im met the program in multiple lang version, in English of course, i have usually some SW installed, but very few things which i suspect that it would mess with networking in theory. Its really strange that not multiple people did not encountered it. Im using some RLoew patches, but im not sure if on all machines and if yes, these are for storage in physical machines.. Otherwise i limited RAM to 512 MB, i installed DirectX9, which is has some DirectPlay networking included, but its long shot.

Thanks, in 9x its easy, im using it almost 30 years. Im not right now by machine when i tried it i checked TweakUI settings like triple times and searched for anything about this setting. It was TweakUI 1.5, maybe there is newer or better version. Im quite sure that not all TweakUI settings available on 9x, are available on NT.. I will check TweakAll.

I started to experiment with NT4 i dont used it back in the era, but i so far i really like it. With 86Box and Banshee/Vooodoo 3, its even possible to play some 2D/Glide/OpenGL games.. With In Vmware workstation is nice and quick and stable (no gaming, there is not 3D acceleration. But there are some annoying this, not classic device manager and Windows explorer default view.. there are is not apply this view to all folder settings and default setting is bad - no toolbar, large icon view. I tried to several tweaking utilities from Win9x, but so far nothing is working. I read somewhere that i can tweak Explorer Advanced keys, but i dont see Advanced key in Explorer Registry Tree path. Does someone find the way how to remember explorer view settings?