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Yeah that is possible too, but with his im trying different approach, to be able to install it into clean hdd with as many steps as possible. My memory is a bit blurry if you have to partition hdd before installation, or you can partition hdd within installer. Its not problem boot form ZIP driver, with fully configure Dos enviroment (1.44 HDD floppy is small a bit slow, on ZIp driver i have full Dos 7.1 and big pack utils and drivers- that is using firsst 20 MB) a run fdisk and format from it too. There was even Win 98 floppy edition, 39 floppies so (39x1.44= ~60 MB), i was somehow trimmer. I dunno if installer is clever enough if you copy floppies on HDD / ZIP if it would detect next *.cab in same dirrectory without requiring some file pointing or stuborny require inserting net floppy. Yesterday i found some Win98 floppy installation video, at the end is comparison of CD and Floppy version available utilities: - know that was floppy version of Win95, but i was unsure about WIn98. To be more technical, i wonder if someone tried to trim installer, or found some filelist which with some order of required files (or *.cab) and which are mandatory and which are optimal.. At eatleast when if just with 1 ZIP media replacement, would be much better than have to switching zips, multiple times. Other method would be just remove not neccesary files like themes, images, sounds and enable some auto skip of missing not mandatory files. Remove really obsolute drivers if they not mandatory, its should be possible too. Or even remove not obsolete drivers, so trim installation size.. in order that user can install them after OS installation is done.
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ruthan started following BCM20702A0 Windows 10 64bit driver, card is Dell DW1560 , Fit Win98SE installer to 100 MB ZIP drive, final installation size doesn't matter (more features better) , Win 98 SP3 broken networking - multiple NIC, physical/virtual machines / physical machines- ping error 10043/10091 .. on all machines, unfixable :( and 1 other
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Hi, i googled how to start Win98SE from ZIP drive, i expected that i will find a lot of tutorials, how to do it, but i found almost nothing. Maybe not right keywords.. Because some classical problem with half dead CD-ROM / floppy drives, boot from USB is not working, Plop bootloader mean additional drive and floppy and cdrom swapping or very user unfriendly, not straight forward hdd bootloader. ZIP or 250, 750 MB are hard to get. Otherwise at least ZIP 100 USB, is still working within WIndows 10 64bit up to date. I found some minimal installation projects, its something different, i care only about installer size, but more useful features in target disc -=> better. I have tried to make some install with helping of chatgpt and help, i was sort of fun, chatgpt was wrong in very 2nd statement as usually. My first try, meant like 4 ZIp driver swaps, i copies majority of from 1st Zip floppy and copied the rest on 2nd. Goal is get rid of the second one. Problem is that whole Win98 setup folder after some basic trimming has 130 MB, ZIP has like 95 or 100 MB. I also like to have ZIP bootable with full Dos 7.1 and most of dos drivers and tools, its additional 20 MB, if it would be possible => 75 MB version would be very nice. And big question is what i can remove, or how make number of floppy swaps minimal.. and if possible make some tutorial or script which would help to create ZIP friendly installer. I tried way: Select all Base*.cab - 2 MB Keep all Drivers .cab - 16 MB Net *.cab - Net 7- to 10 - 5 MB Precopy.cab - 2.7 MB Minicab - 0.7 MB WIN98_OL.CAB - 1.7 MB WIN98_XX.CAB // Its starting on 21, i could add them up to 46.. size of one is 1.7 MB - to 26x 1.7 MB - 44 MB So i could not fit to image these: Win98_47.cab to WIn98_74.CAB ----------- Not working networking - Its just some side effect, i installed nimimal version, not any optimal feature selected in installation wizard, network card was not detected, no drivers packaged on CD. I wanted to install network stack later, i added realtek 8139/8100 NIC drivers and TCP / IP / IPX, Microsoft Network client later. All installed to exclamation marks, errors, login window with screen icon as indicator, but networking was not working. When i tried ping or telnet i got error - unknow commands. I remove whole stack reinstalled it, but never was asked or saw copying or requesting common tools like protman, arp.exe (i know i probably butchered names, i refuse to remember such things) and similar files script, in dialog. There was not even ICMP.dll, which is required by ping. I searched optimal features, but there not nothing like networking stack, some management tool, hyper terminal etc.. Still not ping. I searched CD image there are such files inside Net*.cabs.. there are normally copied during installation.. but not this time and even messing with optimal features and removing / adding whole network start, did not made trick, it looks like that there is some filelist created during installation and when some files are not available system behave like these package are not existing. When i copied ping manually, i was complaining about ICMP.dll utility which was also not installed. I could be wrong but these tools seems not be in Dial up package. ---------- When i started installation from live system and CD within, after end of process networking worked fine and at least some files/ command where availabl,networking is working fine. I would understand, if i would not install networking stack would not be on ZIP media, but im quite so that it was.
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If Tweaks do only these simple thing, it should be easy to debug.. I expected that is much bigger package, or even whole SP3.. Because them i did some networking change i saw that source of files which were autocopied so SP3.cab. Its long time when i last time fiddle with SP3, is there some way how to install/ uinstall just these tweaks alone? We can exclude icons, first row. I dunno what second row does. Third row is a swap, small change. Only if some part of networking driver would be somehow swapped and driver does not expecting that.. I would bet on 4th line, if Network cards are using DMA, im not sure.. I know that videocards and soucards are using DMA, probably even some TV and Capture cards, but im not sure about NICs, i never saw some DMA settings for them, maybe drivers just do it. I there is some PCI Bus driver which are interacting with NIC and using DMA..
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I double check TweakUI settings and was indead as the bottom and explorer tab, save Explorer settings. I had it on and check it before, maybe it needed a reboot. Im glab that it was that simple, the most old school people just start Total Commander after OS start and use it, im not im Windows explorer guy, so i really need this. Thanks. I tried TweakAll too, but there was very few settings available for NT4 and nothing about explorer. I also tested whole collection of Windows 9x apps, what is working on not Windows NT and usually there is something for particular task what supported NT4 with SP6.
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I finally solved it.. I lost my patience and simply uninstalled SP3.. Im not sure, but if im not wrong it is unsupported, not recommended or something like that. I expected that i till brick my install by it, but it survived. I simply went into Add Remove / Programs add removed SP3 Tweaks, it was very quick in virtual machine. So it seems that much if any files where updated. After i simply deleted SP3.cab, that is maybe not needed redundant step. Rebooted.. i did not touch any network or any other configurations, did not see any HW detection etc and network started working again.. After first boot there was some freeze at machine start, desktop loading busy cursor, system not reacting.. i dunno if it was some accident or not, but any next reboots were fine. ----- Remove all SP3 goodness is probably lame solution, i suspect that in my systems are still SP3 files used.. Im not sure what these tweaks meant, if whole kernel etc, changes, or just some registry tuning etc.. I strongly suspect that problem was in some TCP IP changes, like more parallel connection, bigger packets etc.. protocol versions etc, i remember from school that TCP has 7 layers and when i heard that statement i refused to dig into it, except basic configurations. This problem appeared sooner or later on all my physical and virtual Windows 98 installations and it had to restore backups to get it of it at multiple locations.. I never saw it in other OS. Multiple locations - i think that this exclude some bad networking sniffing / tries to discover some Wins/ DNS/ Workgroup neighbor networking components, wiht some half broken packets.. and some routers auto bans, i dunno router could be too clever with some firewall / anti hacking features), i checked my router admins for such rules, but i did not found nothing like that, but i never liked networking stuff. ----- I would like to still fix it and be able to use SP3, or SP3 without its networking stack.. But we are still at the beginning, i need someone who really understand networking in Win98 and is willing to debug it. So far all magic command above did not helped, because networking was virtually totally dead, command above where gave me some helpful output, or not output at all (mostly), problem happen before something happened.. Only real error is on start error number reported by ping.. Im met the program in multiple lang version, in English of course, i have usually some SW installed, but very few things which i suspect that it would mess with networking in theory. Its really strange that not multiple people did not encountered it. Im using some RLoew patches, but im not sure if on all machines and if yes, these are for storage in physical machines.. Otherwise i limited RAM to 512 MB, i installed DirectX9, which is has some DirectPlay networking included, but its long shot.
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Thanks, in 9x its easy, im using it almost 30 years. Im not right now by machine when i tried it i checked TweakUI settings like triple times and searched for anything about this setting. It was TweakUI 1.5, maybe there is newer or better version. Im quite sure that not all TweakUI settings available on 9x, are available on NT.. I will check TweakAll.
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I started to experiment with NT4 i dont used it back in the era, but i so far i really like it. With 86Box and Banshee/Vooodoo 3, its even possible to play some 2D/Glide/OpenGL games.. With In Vmware workstation is nice and quick and stable (no gaming, there is not 3D acceleration. But there are some annoying this, not classic device manager and Windows explorer default view.. there are is not apply this view to all folder settings and default setting is bad - no toolbar, large icon view. I tried to several tweaking utilities from Win9x, but so far nothing is working. I read somewhere that i can tweak Explorer Advanced keys, but i dont see Advanced key in Explorer Registry Tree path. Does someone find the way how to remember explorer view settings?
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BCM20702A0 Windows 10 64bit driver, card is Dell DW1560
ruthan replied to ruthan's topic in Windows 10
Well, there is really nothing except wifi.. That is why it is strange, i dunno if i could killed twice half of Wifi+BT combo card.. Its probably also not dirt on some pin twice etc.. And when one card is original one, its not even some black / white list.. I double checked it, even under System. Same on Linux. In Windows in used driver for Intel USB 3.0 controller from Microsoft all other USB devices include - 4G internal modem works fine, if i plug in USB external bluetooth module it works fine too. -
BCM20702A0 Windows 10 64bit driver, card is Dell DW1560
ruthan replied to ruthan's topic in Windows 10
Device ID was in link above - PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_43B1&SUBSYS_00191028. I would understand if there would be some unknown device in device manager, or if AIDA or HW or lspci or lsusb would report some device, but its completely silent. In laptop was original Intel Wifi + Bluetooth combo, Intel N 7265 wifi card (dont mistake it with AC 7265 -that is fine, Intel naming sucks), but i have exactly same problem with it in Windows 10 and up to date Linux or Android x86. USB3 3.0 drivers seems fine, i have to check if there are from MS or Toshiba (intel), but other USB devices are working fine. I have very bad memory, so im not sure if with Windows 7 / Windows 8 bluetooth worked (bluetooth is in the machine specs), i think so. I switched wifi card because on existing Windows 10 driver. There some drivers which claim support of this card under Windows 10, but it never worked, even drivers from SDItool, there are for the same device ID, install fine, but there is always Code 10 on device... and on Linux its fine. I also read that there is some problem with Wifi card pin 20 handling, that on some device you have turn on / off airplane mode to make them working, but its not case of my card. Solution supposed to be cover pin 20.. I have this problem only with Windows and in build 4G modem (its working in Linux without it), but not Wifi card. Bios is quite simple some basic UEFI, no bluetooth option just on / off for wifi card and 4G in-build modem and souncard/ lan on / off. And some auto turn off Wifi card, when RJ45 is plugged in - i disabled it. Also all antenas cables -2 of them are connected fine, there is not some 3 plug for additional bluetooth anthena or something like that. Not visible dirt in pci-e m.2 slot etc. My quess would be that bluetooth module is dead, but its the same with 2 different Wifi cards, and one is original shipped with HW one. So im simply looking for some explanation from someone who is more fluent in laptop HW and these cards.. Bluetooth stack for them for older Windows is quite huge.. but not Plug and Play appearance is strange, also not possibility of "ping" this HW with some diagnostic tool. I also messages eBay card seller (+ other sellers of these card on eBay) to provide Windows 10 bluetooth drivers, you would expect that someone who sellers 500+ these cards would know, but i got only excuses. I bough it like 6 years ago, it could be some half dead card from RMA or something, you never know. Im tired and quite busy to try this card with another Windows 7 machine, my Hasleo Windows 7 to go USB (is currenly broken too).. a already half killed Wwan - 4G modem simcard slot by dissembling this device too often I plan to order new Intel Wifi + Bluetooth combo Intel 8xxx something to make next try, but it would take some time to arrive. -
Hello, im strugling to find working Windows 10 64bit drivers for Dell DW1560 wifi + bluetooth card, Wifi is working fine, but bluetooth is the problem, im using it within Toshiba Portege Z20 notebook Specs: https://techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Dell_Wireless_1560_(DW1560) I bough this Broadcom card because of multiboot hackingtosh support and not existing Intel N 7265 Wifi WIndows 10 driver - i tried multiple of them and failed. Strange thing is that Bluetooth device never showed in any OS (Win10,MacOS, Linux) or Hardware detection utility. Im not expert of these combo devices. I dunno where it could be a problem if its some HW problem on Toshiba side or sw issue.. Before it machine was Intel N 7265 Wifi+bluetooth card and it worked fine. All antennas - 2 of them are connected fine, i checked it multiple times. Its normal that Bluetooth device is not autodetected? I read something about pin 20 which is blocking some wifi device to work, but at least my wifi is working fine, so it is not probably the problem. I tried airplane mode FN key to turn it on / off etc.. but nothing. I searched some Bluetooth enable option in bios, but there is nothing.. Problem of drivers is that they are branded to Dell / Lenovo etc, so installers are failing to recognize the device, i tried to extract *.exe with 7 zip to get drivers *.inf? Has someone experience with these combo cards? Its normal than Bluetooth device is not autodetected?
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I was looking for usual suspects and in nSP3 are these: Internet Connection sharing ICS Client 5.2 Microsoft IPP Client 1.0 Microsoft L2TPIpsec VPN client.. Im not sure, if installed them, probably some, but i dont know how to find out and how to uninstall them.. nSP3 has nothing like list of installed components when i start setup wizard again.. and nothing is listed in Add/Remove programs windows wizard.. or in windows components setup. But i find out some interesting thing, i tried to check, install original internet sharing component and got this interesting message, it could be clue what is wrong.. I have NIC list in Device manager, as in image above. Other interesting point is when i do some networking change, its using files from sp3.cab, so they are probably some updates/ changes.
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Im not 100% sure, or i dunno how to check it, after installation, but i have here 3.64 installer, so it would be probably it. I do not have reason to install it again and again when its broken, but i have some fine tuned machines / images with this major flaw.. I dont really remember any errors with installation, as i wrote it worked fine, until some network configuration changes. Im not even aware any other problems with machine, except this thing.. All seems to be properly setup and installed, i would undertand some bluescreen, NIC driver code, but this is something new.. So question is, if is possible somehow test network services / component piece by piece TCP/IP has like 7 layers, so if possible to discover on which layers it fails, its not able to obtain IP from router.. if i set static addresses its still not working.. and ping is failing something in configuration is broken.. some core component is not working, or its these some dead write bridge NIC / dead NIC or something like that.. but i removed all old Nics in Safe mode, even not used devices.. Only interesting thing is that ping localhost its working fine.. im not sure if it is using all network TCP/IP layers and services, or its faked call, which its outside of network setup. I tested route print output its the same on working and not working machines, except ip adress which i now inserted as static, its from the same range, so it should work fine..