arh i thought it was along those lines. i use anti virus (AVG) , router / firewall (hardware) , Kaspersky anti-hacker , thunderbird , firefox , adaware , spybot , giant anti-spyware , SpywareBlaster , HOST file , reg website blocking , no java installed , flash disabled (via spyware blaster i hate ads) common sense , proxy etc you know just the basics Regards cyph