Okay guys, here's a little status update. This weekend I installed 2000, the first update rollup 1, UR2 then the (now) next to latest daily version of UURollup, everything seemed fine and I decided to stick to Zone alarm as I have had a lot of experience with it, then I had clamwin installed-then I decided to install the free version of avast, I went for a minimal installation (which left the updater off that everyone said causes problems) but when I did-at the first scan it alerted on the uurollup patch (a file it had called sfc.dll) and an installed .dll file in the system32 directory of Windows by the same name (presumably from the patch) I deleted the UURollup patch and tried to get avast to delete the .dll in system32 (avast said it was some kind of trojan "banker" or something like that-however a ClamWin scan never alerted to that same .dll) but I couldn't do it. I then got the bright idea to try going into system32 manually to delete the thing with spybot's secure shredder, when I did avast wen't nuts and I got the blue screen of death. I had to do a fresh install of 2000, and went the route of only using update rollup 1 and ur2, then when I tried avast again (minimal settings again without the updater) when I restarted the whole thing would begin to freeze up and act funny. I'm considering the Outpost suite (I'll have to wait to go by the library to get my hands on it, I'm on dialup at home), but I have to ask is UURollup infected or is that just avast flipping out? If it's just avast's probem, I can install UURollup, but will it be compatible with Outpost? Sorry for all the questions, but it's been a rough weekend!