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There is no escape from the Windows 10 train of suck. It's obvious that they want to push Windows 10 for free through Windows update for Windows 7 users. Desperate much?

Too true. Hobbyist Windows enhancements are far above Microsoft's own nowadays.

Tested tablet mode myself in a VM (latest W10 version): All tablet mode does is making the start screen fullscreen and launching all programs maximized, all the other desktop stuff stays (including the taskbar etc). There is no charms bar, and the full screen start menu looks pretty bad. It really feels like some shareware add-on. All pictures now in tablet mode: Pretty lukewarm experience, lol. Jack of all trades..

W10 on tablet video. So it not only sucks on the desktop, it also does on the tablet. The joys of a hybrid OS! Why can't they just completely separate tablet and desktop mode? The very first Windows 8 betas did just that if you used that registry switch to disable metro completely. They could still use one OS, and optimize the different modes for the different tasks instead of annoying everyone. But no... They want to be insane on all levels instead. Notice the cramped nature of the start screen menu (split in half between "start menu" on the left, "start screen" on the right). And the fugly search bar at the bottom. The charms bar is gone, even though it was useful on the tablet. "Tablet mode" is desktop mode, just with the start menu maximized. It's fugly for everyone.

Thing is, even if that's the goal. It could be achieved by a far less ugly and clunky OS. W10 feels fugly, awkward and stupid just for the heck of it. Every freeware author could design a less ugly money grab. I mean just look at the eloberate design scammers put into fake AV scanners! This thing (W10) on the other hand is just plain retarded. They are now just insulting the customers for the lulz.

Today I finally tried the Windows 10 beta.. Ugh, it's such trash compared to Windows 7. The start menu is an abomination. The look and feel is totally off, - and all these metro sidewhows everywhere. It's incredible to say this, but even the W8 metro menu didn't feel this botched. Its handling and full screen nature was bad, but at least it felt somewhat designed, while the W10 start menu feels as if someone blotched it together in his spare time with no thought whatsoever. There are no jump lists, no integrated search function, the links to the central elements (documents, control panel) are cramped at the top and look like a**. Bleh. No excuse for this trash! The search is clunky, searching for your files on your computer brings up news about ferry disasters and teenage-worded cortana messages. If you search for programs, the results aren't displayed in the start menu, but in an awkward separate window! It's just bad. Then there are funky recipes for disasters, like you cannot just search for updates anymore. If you search for Windows updates they get automatically installed, and you cannot review them before install nor can you deselect specific updates. Imagine the consequences for troubleshooting drivers and updates, not to mention that Microsoft regularly puts out faulty updates, in light of these realities - what kind of retard greenlighted the updater in Windows 10? The metro/desktop schizophrenia is still there: Some bundled apps are Win32 (media player), some metro (PDF reader). The metro ones are fragmented: They still look fugly, but use some Win32 components, like the file-dialog in the PDF Reader. It's awkward: They are windowed, use some Win32 but still look alien. They also feel slower and buggier than the W32 pendants. It's so pointless. That trash heap of a calculator has the usability of a C64 program, less functions than W7 calc.exe, yet has a splash screen! The look of the icons of the system is something to behold.. they look like a mix between a hobbyist 90s Linux distro (explorer) and early Palm PDA (control panel). With Windows 8, you at least could think all this ugly had a machiavellian sense (to force metro), but with W10 it's as if its ugly just for ugly's sake. Windows 10 is a mess. If you have Windows 7, stay on it. If you are for some reason on W8.. W8 with a third party start menu looks better than native W10 and at least Windows Update works sane.

I think the only logical conclusion is that some key people at Microsoft just "cracked" somewhere between Apple slamdunking with the iDevices and the public rejecting W8. There is no other explanation. After the disastrous welcoming of Windows 8, the hovering-on-rounding-error marketshares of W8 tablets and Windows Phone... STILL continuing this strategy is just mental. With Windows 8 there was at least the theoretical possibility that brute-force shoving of metro would lead to WP sales (which failed), but now they are just doing it for the heck of it. Now that Ballmer is gone, the "crack" appears to be much deeper than anyone expected here, maybe it's Bill Gates himself who "cracked", too: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-is-back-at-microsoft-big-time-2014-10?IR=T I don't think there is any business reason for this madness, not even "selling apps", because porting the Windows Store to Windows 7 or offer a sane looking Windows with a store would be infinitely more successful than continuing pumping out these metro abortions. It's a company-wide pathological madness, insanity and the subconcious desire to stick it to the users for not liking W8, metro and WP. It's personal.

No amount of uglification will make people who need the desktop drop the desktop, it's that simple.If someone need a car to do stuff, no matter how ugly you will make the car, he still won't chose the (just as ugly) bike as long as the butt-ugly car still is able to drive. I too believe that their uglification is intentional, but it's such an ridiculously stupid premise and tactic they are on. Pathetic. On the evil-doer scale it ranks below Wile E. Coyote.

It's not the fake wood. Back when the metrotards were in full swing they proclaimed that pretty much everything besides metro was "skeumorphic".

[emphasis added] Had they asked, we could've told Microsoft that three years ago, saving a lot of grief all around, but what do we know -- we're just a bunch of ignorant peasants out in the field and they're the expert geniuses in their ivory towers. --JorgeA Thurrot is being a slimy worm yet again. So Windows 8 was indeed about booting off the PC? Yet Thurrot defended MS and W8 tooth and nails against the very same accusations back then. We can all remember his shill-stunts. Only after W8 pretty much failed he comes out of the closet. This guy is a such a spineless slimeball.

As mentioned elsewhere (maybe it was this thread, I don't recall), it's all about sex. Sex sells. I'm surprised Microsoft's CEO isn't being raked over the coals about the WIndows assistant being the same nude-but-digitally-body-painted character as is found in their Halo game. No, it's about Apple-envy. MS is so far in the Apple-envy deep-end I wonder if they could even chose a different strategy like "sex sells" at this point. Aside from a porton of the gamer circle, no one knows who or what "Cortana" is. We're not talking about Lara Croft here - Cortana is pretty much a nobody to the wider public. It's not a cultural sex icon (aside for horny 15 year old xboxers - I doubt they are a critical mass though) I mean, just like you said, not even the feminists care about Cortana. If even the hysterical Anitas and Zoes of the world don't care about it, you know how important the Cortana character is...

I just noticed how stupid it is to call the voice recognition software "Cortana". Far more intuitive would be if this thing would be nameless and you would call it up by saying "Hi, Windows". You're interacting with your computer, the OS is called Windows (in all forms). Everyone calls it Windows, it's well known brand name. Why would you activate the voice recognition with "Cortana"? Why is referencing to itself as "Cortana"? Who knows that s***? It's like activating the current voice recognition software in Windows 7 by speaking "Hi Voice Recognition Software 1.0!" into the micro. The "Siri" name kinda worked because almost no one knows the name of the iPhone OS outside of the tech sphere, the phone keeping saying "iPhone has this and that" doesn't sound that well and the product lines are called differently at Appe (Mac, iPhone, iPad) so they needed a common theme through Siri. With "Windows" though it's completely different, phonetically and branding-wise. Calling it Cortana is Apple envy yet again. The naming doesn't make sense.

I had no idea she was wardrobe-challenged. It might be pushing Forum rules to illustrate what we mean. Maybe somebody braver than me... No problem: And here's a soapy video .. Shodan was more interesting. I must say I am not a fan at all. I am not a prude or something, I just find this in-your-face T&A very cheap. I had no problems with Lara Croft (the blocky breasts were more amusing than anything) but this character looks really like a immersion-breaking cyber-whore. A half-naked prostitute or stripper in a setting like GTA makes perfect sense, but this is just there for the tits. No professional military organization would use such porn AI avatars.

It's because the backlash against W8 is subdueing after they announced to fix it with Windows 10. But these metrotards at MS (like Belfiore) need a constant, never-ending backlash to keep them from metrotarding. Backlash is their needed medicine, and they need heavy dosage of it daily.

I am still so burned out with the whole Windows 8 fiasco and the metrotards that I just can't be bothered for Windows 10 right now. Never felt before like this with a new Windows version. Not even with 8. Also, W10 somehow comes across as more and more metrotarded the further it "progresses". Are the metrotards still complaining about the start menu and stuff on the preview forums?

I haven't visited Neowin and the other nests for a while - are there still metrotards around in the interwebs or are they all subdued by now?

Nah, I've done my duty on Channel9 already. There's only so much NuMicrosoft you can endure.

I admit it that I haven't even tested it so far...

In your face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQfR9SXM2sY Sheep shop at Microsoft. Ads like these are the reason why the creatives at advertising agencies get millions and you don't.

--JorgeA That was mine, so thanks. The thread gets very hot two pages later, lots of "sour grapes".

Yay, the Channel9 thread got hot beginning with page 4. There are some fine metrotards there, like in the good old days.

New Channel9 sparring: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/They-might-have-well-said?page=2 Theme is that "Windows 10 was always planned like this" (i.e: MS planned to remove the start menu in W8 and also planned at W8 release to bring it back in the next major version). Pretty lulzy theory.

Regarding the the no major versions thing... wasn't the grand vision two years ago that metro will rule them all? How did that play out? What some sycophants and overpaid MS execs want and get are two entirely different things. The main problem with "no major versions" is that Windows will appear stagnant. Even (semi-)embedded OSes like Android, ios and MacOS introduce new versions with great fanfare to crank up sales for the next line of hardware. Windows 10 for the next ten years or more on the other hand doesn't sound so sexy. New Windows versions stirr also the media up, that publicity would be gone. I also bet that Microsoft's OEMs will be pretty pissed off at the prospect to be condemnend to sale their hardware with a versionless Windows.

The collected wisdoms of sir Matrix: Love that Metro is still front and center here. As it should be. If you want "Windows 7 stuff", then use Windows 7. Windows 10 is not, nor will be Windows 7. Terry Myerson said it himself when he announced Windows was at a threshold. The world in which Windows grew up has changed. Metro is still the default view. Not sure how it being on the desktop changes that, either. Start is still Start. The Store is still there, and will be a big part of the OS, as will Universal Apps. Start Screen is still there, Charms Bar is also still there, and will be getting an update. Live Tiles are still the center of attention in the menu, and Universal Apps are a key part of the OS. If you're talking about the desktop itself, then yes, I said it was dead, but it seems like Microsoft listen, and brought Metro to it, and will be evolving it, just like we saw today with new multitasking features, and scalable bits, and judging by what was said, it sounds as if there's still more to come. So, if you want, I guess you could say the old, stale desktop of Windows past is dead. Live Tiles are front and center on the Menu and Screen. The menu also picked up many of the Start Screen's feature, seeing how it is nothing more than a Mini Start. It scales up or down, something the old menu never did. >"You said the Charms bar would never be removed from the desktop." So far, it hasn't been. >"You said the Store apps would never be resizable." No, I didn't. They've been resizable from the start, and even more so in Windows 8.1, scalable to different sizes. The whole point of Metro apps was to introduce apps that scale. >"You said the Start Menu would never be back." Technically, it hasn't been back. The new "menu" is based off the Start Screen, picks up its features, and is completely scalable, and resizable.

Well, at least it's better than Windows 8. This thing is basically Windows 7 with a Windows 8 theme. Not exciting in any way, but I can live with it. The only surprise was the name - and the reason for skipping the version number sounds like a lame troll attempt: "Microsoft's Terry Myerson said that Windows 10 is a more appropriate name, given the extent of the changes in this release versus the previous version." http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-its-next-os-will-be-called-windows-10 Oh man, not even analysts would fall for this. By the way, the neowin thread is great for watching Dot Matrix spouting some high quality diarrhea - claiming that metro is still "front and center" and other crazies. Highly recommended if you started to miss getting metrotarded.