thought so, thanks for the replies lads. Do certain DVD disc read faster than other ones, ie does a 2xDVDRW disc read slower than a 8xDVDR? not sure if the 2xDVDRW would only allow reading at 2x, or would it only affect the burning speed with the reading speed being the same for all dvd's.. Since we're all trying to shave off a few minutes and mb's from our installations, might as well cover every aspect. i know my post count is ridiculously low, i tend to just read on forums now and only post when something needs to be said. so don't slay me :eek: cheers bledd edit- just saw newest reply, i'll do some testing today as i've got a few machines to do here -i'll post backl