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Jump to the how-to procedure, at post #27! A brief mention of using System Restore in Windows 98 was made in the topic "Problems with 98FE" ... I thought I would separate it and start a new topic dealing with getting System Restore to work in Windows 98SE. I am directing these questions to PROBLEMCHYLD since he said in message #3: message #5: ... PROBLEMCHYLD then proceeded in message #7 to give the steps to install and get the System Restore program to work on Windows 98SE. message #7: .... OK, I have questions ... yesterday I tried the System Restore install ... I actually see a "hidden" Restore folder in C:\ (C:\Restore) and I see a Restore folder in the Windows - System folder but how do I get it to work? ... I see nothing anywhere to start a restore point or to see any "restore points" to go back to when needed. When I was installing 290700usam.exe in the last step ... I was missing 3 files ... one was found in the Windows 98SE cd and the other two I was not able to find in the 98SE or Win ME cd ... so I said "skip" those two files .... they were CHECKSR.BAT and EBDUNDO.EXE . Do you know anything about those two missing files ... anyone else have the same problem when running 290700usam.exe ? When I rebooted my computer, the "hour glass" ran for the longest time (very long) and I rebooted again ... it seemed to be stuck but then I am thinking now ... maybe it was doing a "restore point" for the very first time ... I do have many extra GBs of stuff on my hard drive at present, which I normally do not have, as a rule. PROBLEMCHYLD ... can you add any more information about how you installed all this, anything about the "missing files" and where do you go to manually run a "restore point" ... either to establish a new one or run one from an earlier date? This is all very interesting. ... thanks

herbalist, Thanks for the KMPlayer information. What version of WMP are you using? I have just the older 6.4 with some updates installed. I did open that version and nothing seem to conflict with it and SSM. I have downloaded two new media players ... they still list Windows (All) and they aren't that old. ... Jan 2011 and Nov 2010 ... BSPlayer and GOM Player ... will see how these two work with SSM and report back ... maybe over the week-end. Update ... Not much luck with those media players ... BSPlayer is not for Windows 9x, even though it says "Windows All", still wouldn't install with KernelEx changed to Win XP SP3 and GOM Player installs OK but doesn't seem to play videos as well as KM Player. I put KM Player back on and will leave all this SSM stuff for another day. Just looks like SSM will have conflicts with some newer programs.

OK ... I am not 100% sure what version I have on my computers ... when I go into KM Player and go to About, the version is 5 question marks (?????) but I do have the version number on the KM Player folder on a CD at home. I have a media software backup CD with different Media programs and Codec downloads stored on it. I can't check that out till later tonight. However, I think it might be KMPlayer 2.9.3.1428 ... it would be the last version listed as working with Windows (All) and File Hippo has that as KMPlayer 2.9.3.1428 ... that seems to be in my head that that could be the version ... it is from May 07,2008. http://www.filehippo.com/download_kmplayer/tech/4120/ The very next version has dropped the Windows (All) label ... but as I said earlier, I am not 100% sure that is the version. I was able to get a newer KM Player version to work in Dec with KernelEx set to Windows XP SP2 and everything seemed to work OK ... but I need to test all that out some more. I didn't post anything at the KernelEx thread about it, I wanted to work with it some more but at that time I didn't have SSM installed on my computer. ... thanks .... UPDATE: I just had a "brainstorm" a few minutes after posting this ... I went to the KM folder on my computer and right clicked on the KMPLAYER.EXE ... the version tab in Properties shows that it is v2.9.3.1428. Sometimes that doesn't always work but the KM Player version is there.

Rick ... ran into major problems with SSM and another media player and also the explorer thing. When I first mentioned to you about Media Player Classic conflicting with SSM several years back, you were able to confirm that. Well, when there seem to be no work around or fix for the problem, I just took MPC off my computer and hunted around a bit and found KM Player. Really like that player ... anyway I had no problem on the computers on Sunday after I installed SSM on two of them. Yesterday I finally got around to opening KM Player and a box popped up labeled "Prpcui" saying "has performed an illegal operation" ... the whole computer freezes and I have a hard shutdown ... did the same thing twice on me ... then the "explorer" problem started popping up and I can't get past the "Start" tab to shut the computer down. I am using an older version of KM Player, the last to work with Win 98SE before they dropped 9x altogether. I had KernelEx already installed and then I installed SSM on Sunday. I put everything to heavy use and there were no warning boxes popping up ... everything seem to working just fine until Monday when I decided to open KM Player. I have taken SSM off for now ... when I restarted the computer after the hard shut down sometimes there were warning boxes popping up immediately. Just thought I would fill you in ... these crazy "media players" seem to conflict with SSM. ... as I said, I like KM Player ... it IDs all your audio and video files ... if you have a folder with avi, mkv, mp4 or other files ... it tells you what each file is so you don't have to right click Properties to see what file is what. Really hate to abandon KM player ... VLN just has the orange cones but doesn't tell you what a file is exactly until you right click on Properties. ... well, anyway ... thought it was the real thing this time. If anyone knows of another media player that Ids all your files so you know right away ... what is what ... let me know and I will try it with SSM.

No ... No, I used your link for the download ! ... I wasn't sure exactly what the program did so I wanted more information. Had never heard of it. I usually need lots of information to understand something dealing with DOS, the BIOS, etc. The link for the v1.20 didn't work for me this morning but I got the 0.80 version. I am on a faster connection now so I will try the 1.20 link again. .... thanks Thanks for explaining about the chipset ID programs ... I have all three on my notebooks anyway, including Astra32. I usually just go to CPU-z first since it opens so fast. I will visit RLoew's home page. Tried the link again for the 1.20 version ... it comes up dead for me: 404 Not Found. I will do a search on Google.

Thanks Prozactive ... I was positive I had asked herbalist some global hook questions and he had responded but I couldn't come up with the thread. I thought he might post a link but you did. I thought I had also copied what he posted for future reference but I have the information now. ... thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.

herbalist ... OK, yesterday I finally put SSM v2.0.8.583 back on two of my notebooks. Started brand new with putting my Ghost backup (from late December) on each computer. So far everything going good ... for the first few hours I let it run in the Learning Mode ... seems to make it a bit easier. Now I just have a quick question about those "freaking global hook" decisions ... I am never sure what to do about those things, I always just give permission or some things just don't open up. I thought I had some information posted by you on the global hooks subject but I can't seem to find it in any of my folders. Without going in too deep on global hooks ... I'm waiting for your tutorial one day, when you can fit it to the schedule ... back to the global hook thing, is there one program or area that a person should be real careful when giving permission to allowing global hooks to proceed? ... I'm thinking when I hear the term "global hooks", that there is something out there spreading around in cyberspace that might connect somewhere and bring something back into my computer. The term "global hooks" itself is kind of worrisome. ... thanks

A nice browser to use with Win 98SE is K-Meleon v1.5.4 ... under the tools tab there is a "User Agent" tab with Firefox, Seamonkey and a few others plus a custom tab to use one you might like. You can use the newer KM v1.6.0 Beta 2 with KernelEx Final installed, on Windows 98SE ... but for now just try out KM v1.5.4 ... I have since learned how to update the User Agents and transferred the newer UAs in KM1.6.0 Beta 2 to the KM 1.5.4 version. I prefer to use the non-install download version for either version. Latest Stable Release K-Meleon 1.5.4 (2010-03-05) Update to latest Mozilla code 1.8.1.24 with some bug fixes. K-Meleon: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ Forum: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/

I've always liked the Maximus Decim Cumulative Update ver.3.05 for Windows 98SE ... includes all the following and installs everything very easy. Maximus Decim Cumulative Update ver.3.05 for Windows 98SE -------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Includes more than 100 updates received from service WindowsUpdate and from Microsoft web site. * Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives (NUSB 3.3). * Native support WIA and PTP (WIA 1.1). * Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall. * Support for hard drives larger than 137GB (BHDD 3.1). * Zip-folders (Optional components) * Spider Solitaire (Optional components) * The detailed description of the order of installation Windows 98SE, necessary updates and components. * Includes: mdcu305e.exe - Actually file of a update wininst305e.txt - description of the order of installation pchio98.exe - see wininst300e.txt q313829fix.exe - see wininst300e.txt bhdd31e.zip - Support for hard drives larger than 137GB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- english - http://rapidshare.co...CU305E.ZIP.html russian - http://rapidshare.co...CU305R.ZIP.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Size: ~16mB What's new: add: *Unofficial 951072 *Unofficial MSVBVM60.DLL (6.0.9802) *Unofficial Crypt Update *ZipFolders and 329048 (Optional components) *Spider (Win Me) (Optional components) *Unofficial extrac32.exe (WinXPSP2), cabinet.dll (WinXPSP2), regsvr32.exe (Win2000SP4) *sens.dll(IE6sp1) *scandisk.exe (WinMe) ...... it's on page 7 in the "Windows 9x Member Projects" forum ... it's another one to look at.

I'm still following this topic ... it's a bit more complicated than I had expected when I first asked my question. For people still using older computers, motherboards and such, the options have dropped dramatically through the years. I never heard of the term DDO and the discussion that has been going on ... I have googled DDO, Ontrack DDO, old standalone DOS BIOS detection program v0.80 and most of the other stuff in the last few posts. This is all very educational to me and maybe others as well. I do want to add something that has me puzzled ... perhaps I was too hasty in "condemning" CPU-z in an earlier post since the chipset ID it gave me didn't seem to match what Everest Home Edition was telling me ... dencorso wanted the information to assist me ... however, yesterday I ran the Intel Chipset ID utility and it agrees with the information CPU-z was giving me. CPUz info: Intel ... i440BX/ZX Rev 1 ... no Southbridge info listed Everest info: Intel 82443BX/ZX ... South Bridge: Intel 82371EB PIIX4E Intel Chipset ID Utility: i440BX/ZX Rev 1 .... so what is a good program to have? .... all three I guess but at least Everest gave me Southbridge information. jaclaz ... I already had SIW 2009 installed on my computer ... I had missed the newer version (2010) that you listed. rloew ... when you say : My BOOTMAN DDOs are designed to be compatable with other Drivers and not to alter the Disk layout, so the Drives can be used in other computers without the DDO being active, except the Encrypting DDO of course. .... is this something for my older 2001 NEC computer? Just curious what it would actually do for an older computer ... I've been checking out the term "3rd party BIOS updates". I will probably just search around for an older type hard drive(s) that will be compatible with my computers, probably the easiest way to go. ... thanks

dencorso ... thanks for the CPU-Z link ... just tried that version (1.38) and I get the same exact information that v1.54 gave me and no Southbridge information at all. So Everest will be what I will use from now on ... already have it on all my notebooks anyway. Perhaps others might be getting incorrect information on older computers, maybe newer computers should also be double checked with another program to compare the results. Appreciate your input and help on the SATA hard drive question. Many things have been cleared up over the past week and I know a lot more about hard drives than I did a week ago. ... I will continue searching around for an older hard drive ... thanks to "all" for the help.

The NEC is a NEC Versa SXi and a Dell Latirude CPXj plus I have the IBM Thinkpad T42 - Pentium M ... someone posted two years back that the Thinkpad T42 was the last Thinkpad that would work with Windows 98SE ... found a refurbished one by IBM and grabbed it ... the best computer I have at present. I will run the Intel Application Accelerator (IAA) later today on the NEC ... I'm finished with CPUz .... taking it off later today also ... will use Everest for all my information from now on ... I also have Astra32 installed and Belarc Advisor so I'm covered anyway for information. I probably will not order anything from Newegg, finding some better deals on Amazon through the Amazon sellers, have to really search and dig around. I'm wondering why CPUz is giving me information that doesn't match up in any way with Everest HE. I probably will just keep searching for an IDE hard drive ... I just found out yesterday that ATA and IDE hard drives are the same. Plenty of ATA drives at Amazon. --------------------------------------------- What is ATA / IDE? ATA (AT Attachment) and IDE (Integrated Device Electronics) are one and the same: a disk drive implementation that integrates the controller on the disk drive itself. This was directly connected to the I/O bus of the first PC - the IBM AT. As a consequence, the bus width is still 16 bits on all implementations. ... plus I found this info about using the IAA: You can use the Intel Application Accelerator to access the full capacity of hard drives that are larger than 137 GB on supported Intel® chipsets with a supported operating system. The Intel Application Accelerator supports hard drives that are greater than 137 GB -- which is also referred to as 48-bit logical block addressing (LBA). Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Me, Windows 98 SE, Windows 98 and Windows NT 4.0 do not provide native support for hard drives that are larger than 137 GB. 48-bit LBA support can be added with Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows 2000 Service Pack 4. In order to enable hard drives larger than 137 GB, you will need to install the Intel Application Accelerator or install a 3rd party 48-bit LBA controller card. Although the Intel Application Accelerator supports 48-bit LBA hard drives, it is not designed to, nor is it capable of, modifying partition sizes. When using Windows Me, Windows 98SE or Windows 98 you may need to install a 3rd party hard drive partitioning software such as PartitionMagic or Partition Commander in order to increase the partition size to the hard drive's full capacity. .... this is all very interesting ... thanks

dencorso .... discovered something interesting a few minutes ago, so I have some further information regarding the chipset in my NEC. I've had CPUz for years on my computers but I also have Everest Home Edition v2.20.405. I usually just run CPUz for any "quick" information I might want and Everest I will run when I need more detailed or just more information. A few posts back you said to run CPUz and give you the chipset information that it revealed, which I did. CPUz info: Intel ... i440BX/ZX Rev 1 ... no Southbridge info listed but when I run Everest I get different and much more information, including Southbridge readings. Everest info: Intel 82443BX/ZX ... South Bridge: Intel 82371EB PIIX4E So I do have an 800 series chipset in the NEC but why CPUz is reporting very different information from Everest has got me puzzled ... and yes my CPUz version is up to date ... v1.54 ... downloading v1.56 now ... since they separated Windows 98 from the main download. Anyway, I have new, better chipset information for you. I may consider getting CPUz off my computers and using Everest HE for everything, I've had it on my computers for years also. Perhaps others could be getting different information on older computers using CPUz ... Everest is a much better product anyway with tons more information provided. So I would be interested in your opinion (or anyone's opinion) why the readings are different between these two programs and has anyone else noticed different readings or information using these two programs. Any input or ideas welcomed. dencorso ... now with this "new" information ... can you provide any new information on using a SATA drive, as from your earlier post asking for the Southbridge information? thanks ...

thanks cdob ... for the additional information. I did put a new 40 GB IDE hard drive into the NEC in 2006 and also my Dell Latitude ... both had come with smaller hard drives ... a 12 GB and a 20 GB, so an IDE drive will work in the NEC. That was the last time I bought any internal hard drives (2006) ... bought three 40 GB IDE drives, two I put into my notebooks and I wanted a "spare", still have one unopened 40 GB HD, but now with "no warranty", after all these years ... but the other two are still working just fine ... I bought that NEC in 2001 and was surprised later on to find out it had that older chipset ... however, in 2001 ... I didn't know very much about chipsets ... It had an Intel Pentium 3 inside and at that time that was still "state of the art" or close, so I was expecting a "faster" computer, that's all I knew back then ... get a Pentium 3. When I learned more about "chipsets" later on I was wondering myself why the older chipset ... Intel ... i440BX/ZX Rev 1 .... I can't even run the Intel Application Accelerator (IAA) on the NEC since these are the chipsets that are listed that the Accelerator will work with: Intel 810 Chipset Family Intel 815 Chipset Family Intel 820 Chipset Family Intel 840 Chipset Family Intel 845 Chipset Family Intel 850 Chipset Family Intel 860 Chipset Family I can run it on my Dell Latitude and my IBM Thinkpad T42 has a Pentium M 1600 with i855PM chipset so I can probably run it on that notebook also. I think I only ran the IAA on my Dell, as I said earlier, I wasn't sure what the IAA would do or what benefits I might get from it.

Last year I came across the Intel Application Accelerator while at the Intel website looking for any chipset updates. I didn't fully understand what it was or would do but since it was listed to also be for Windows 98SE, I downloaded it and installed it. This is the description provided by Intel: The Intel Application Accelerator is designed to improve performance of the storage sub-system and overall system performance. This software delivers improved performance through several ingredient technologies (components). Certain components will be available only on Pentium 4 processor-based systems running Microsoft Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Software installation is flexible and fully automated for MS Windows 98, Windows 98SE, Windows Me, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, and Windows XP operating systems. As I said, I didn't fully understand what it was supposed to do on my notebooks but I figured it would hurt anything and I was curious what it might actually do. I was thinking it might make "flash drives" work faster. So you are saying this application would be necessary to be able to use a SATA hard drive. Intel also said that ver 2.2.2 was the last version for "mobile chipsets". ... ------------------------------------------------------------ Intel Application Accelerator Note: Mobile chipset support was removed from Intel Application Accelerator version 2.3. Version 2.2.2 is the last version available that supports mobile chipsets. The files above contain the Intel Application Accelerator. This utility updates Windows XP, Windows ME, Windows 98SE, Windows 98, Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0 to reduce the storage sub-system bottleneck - enabling faster delivery of data from the hard drive to the processor and other system level hardware. The Intel Application Accelerator replaces the Intel Ultra ATA Storage Driver. ------------------------------------------------------------ Well, thanks for the additional info ... maybe a better understanding of the Intel Application Accelerator than I had a year ago.

OK, thanks for all the info everyone ... rloew, thanks for listing the options ... I will have to check each one out. I can still buy IDE hard drives just going to have to hunt around for them. I bought three 40 GB IDE drives in 2006 for spares but now wish I had picked up a larger size drive also. At the time the larger drives were still high in price ... just left too many years go by before I realized portable drives had changed from IDE to SATA. dencorso ... I ran CPUz on my NEC ... Chipset: Intel ... i440BX/ZX Rev 1 ... no Southbridge info listed ... blank This NEC notebook was bought in 2001 ... it's a Pentium 3 .... My Dell notebook is also around that time frame, it has an Intel 845-based chipset ... Pentium 3. I appreciate your help ... I will just look around for some IDE drives ... I have some large USB external drives that I can use for storage and large downloads. I just didn't know how these notebook drives had changed since 2006. My computers have IDE drives in them now and I will just try to find some IDE drives online somewhere .... Newegg has those 80 GB drives but I'd like a couple of larger drives ... but I can live with the 80 GB drives if that's all I can find. I should have started looking this time last year for these older type drives.

I am not finding too much information using the search in the forum. I thought there was a discussion on this but I'm not finding it. I have decided to get an extra hard drive or two for spares. These are 80 GB IDE drives for a notebook that I am looking at ... Newegg has these available ... the 160 GB was just a few dollars more but they are sold out and probably are gone for good. This is a Seagate Barracuda drive but as I said it is IDE ... these drives now seem to be scarce these days ... there is also a Seagate Barracuda 250 GB drive for just a few dollars more with free shipping but it is a SATA drive. My computers are older ... Thinkpad T42 - Pentium M, Dell Latitude - Pentium 3 ... I guess I need some advice on buying the older IDE 80 GB drive or the newer 250 GB SATA drive. I'm finding people on Google asking the same question ... getting mixed "yes and no" results. Example: Does anyone know if you can use SATA with Windows 98 SE? 1st reply: Should not be a problem if you have a mother board that supports SATA or your using a host controller for SATA with drivers for win98SE. 2nd reply: I just set up a new computer with a SATA HD and Windows 98/SE. SE didn't care a bit. I had absolutely NO problem with it till I tried to upgrade to XP pro. To load XP-Pro, I had to use the SATA driver disk that came with the mobo. XP can be such a pain in the Bxxx! But, yes, 98/SE ran just great on the SATA drive. .... so is this the main problem with an older notebook ... having a motherboard that doesn't support SATA or can I download SATA drivers to make the SATA drive work? I not an expert in any way dealing with newer stuff that "may or may not" work with Windows 98SE. I appreciate some expert ( anybody above my level is an expert ! ) input concerning these newer hard drives and Windows 98SE. I figured I should be getting some IDE hard drives before they are gone unless I can use a SATA drive instead. ... thanks

dencorso ... I appreciate your input about the FAT32 question. I follow your advice at the 98SE forum so this will be no exception. I had made up my mind to stay with FAT32 but your post makes my decision feel better to me. I may try out a dual booting system one day but just want to get the feel for XP right now and want to use some of my older software. Thanks for the cannie's tutorial link ... I will be getting a copy for additional help.

allen2 ... thanks for the input. I was thinking of just staying with FAT32 but I wanted some further input. I did read a few other times that some posters (Google) said that FAT32 would/should be a little faster ... not that much to be noticed though ... I have a Pentium 3 in the Dell. I really like some of my older programs and wanted to carry them over, if possible.

PROBLEMCHYLD ... Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was just thinking since I've had success with several programs using KernelEx Final ... maybe it might be worth trying the later versions of SSM. Yes, later today I am going to install the 2.0.8.585 version and get started on using SSM again. thanks ..... I have a follow up question .... can't I just install the new 2.0.8.585 straight on ... I had ver 2.0.8.583 on some time back but took it off about a year ago. I was planning to uninstall KernelEx first and install SSM and then put KernelEx back on ... herbalist (Rick) didn't seem to have much trouble either way on the virtual machine with KernelEx installed or not installed.

OK, I have another question dealing with "later" versions of SSM that no longer work with Windows 98SE. Would a later (newer) version work with Win 98SE using the KernelEx Final that came out in Dec? Could that possibly work or are those newer versions only NT versions and would it be a waste of time trying all that out. I have been looking for some newer versions like 2.3.0.609 or newer but the links are all dead. I know these are "pay" versions but I was thinking they might have a free "trial" period just to test things out. Rick, have you experimented yourself with any newer versions with KernelEx? ... I found a 2.4.0.620 Beta (Jan 25, 2008) version listed but all the download links are dead but I will keep looking around. Not sure if that might be the last version that was released. http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/System-Safety-Monitor/1049832672/1 ...

OK ... as of now I still use Win 98SE and spend most of my time in the Windows 98SE/ME forum. However, I spend some time over in this forum learning things about XP. I have a Dell Latitude with an extra hard drive case and hard drive which I can switch out with my Win 98SE setup. I have decided to install XP SP3 PRO on this extra hard drive to experiment with XP. I have looked on Google for an answer to several questions that I have before doing this. First I have read lots of stuff concerning a FAT32 or NTFS setup. Most all seem to recommend a NTFS setup which I would have to reformat the hard drive ... I have a 20 GB and 40 GB hard drive but right now both are FAT32 ... I know the XP CD can change the hard drive from FAT32 to NTFS with no trouble. However, this is the question I have that I can't seem to find a clear answer to. I have some really older programs that I would like to run on XP ... for instance MS Money 97 ... very good money program that runs good before the later MS Money programs became "bloated" and slow. I have many others that I'd like to carry over from Win 98SE to XP .... many were listed in those days as also working with XP as well as 98SE, before Vista arrived on the scene. So my question is, will these older programs work OK on XP with the NTFS system or should I just let the hard drive stay in the FAT32 format for these older programs? Will they actually run better under FAT32? I know the NTFS system is supposed to have better security and such but I am the only one using the notebook so that is probably not an issue. .... any help or suggestions appreciated ... thanks

herbalist ... I guess that must be where I got that SSM Help file from ... thought I had found it on Google somewhere. I have a question about putting SSM back on my computer with the new (latest) KernelEx already installed. Should I uninstall KernelEx first, install SSM and then put KernelEx back on? What do you think? When I had SSM installed before I didn't have KernelEx on my computer. ... thanks

thanks ... some information there on settings and some other links also.

Will be interested to see what you find out about the 2.0.8.585 version. I also am interested in the web pages for help in using SSM. I had taken SSM off my machines about a year ago. Those "global hook" decisions always throw me a curve. You did go into some detail in another posting about global hook decisions, if I remember and I have a copy of it somewhere. I'm not 100% sure why I decided to take SSM off my computers, maybe I ran into a new problem or something. I'm interested in putting SSM back on a computer or two to work with it again. I will wait till you get a chance to check out this "newer" version ... work on your schedule. Glad to have you around ... with all the interest and knowledge concerning SSM. PROBLEMCHYLD ... When I was trying to find a working link for SSM v2.0.8.585 ... I also tried to locate a SSM manual or tutorial ... no luck on that also. If you come across a manual, let's me (everyone) know. Update ... I just checked my SSM folder that I have burned to a CD. I see in that folder that I have a SSM v2.0.0 Help File which includes a Tutorial. I don't know where I got it, perhaps from herbalist. Did you have that Help File / Tutorial on a download link at one time herbalist? It's 1.43 MB in size.