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You are probably right with future updates for MS Office. I do have the Office 2007 Compatibility Pack installed and I found out early on when the first Office 2007 update showed up, that it was "probably" OK to install the update and the later ones also ... but I had to research it all out to be sure. I for one would be interested in what you might discover in those ISOs ... almost seems to easy, has to be a trip wire in there somewhere. ...

Dave-H ... are the XP updates really done for April, who can say? Now that this November 2013 Root Certificates question is going around the web ... could MS fix and update and release a new RC later in the month or before Update Tuesday in May? Would that not still be considered an "April last XP update" ? I don't know. Thanks to dencorso and his logs, we have a pretty good idea when the March RC update was pulled. So who knows if there still might be something released before May 13th or on May 13th ... to make things right. Kind of a shoddy way to send XP out ... you would think all the "final updates" should have been 100% correct and up to date ... just my thoughts. I sort of asked what you are asking under another post about possible more updates for IE8 and MS Office 2000 ... since I had an Office 2007 update for Office 2000 this month (April). This thread: Another XP Update Question ... Sort Of !

OK I found out this all happened near the end of March ... this is from the Wilders Security Forum dated April 08 2014 ... Very strange - MS root certs for XP Discussion in 'other security issues & news' started by FanJ, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM. http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/very-strange-ms-root-certs-for-xp.362462/ (yes, I know that MS is stopping updates for XP and that today was the latest) System: Windows XP Dutch As you may know: updates for MS root certs on XP are optional and are differently handled compared to newer Windows versions. The latest update for root certs for XP was from March 2014, which I had installed. See http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/update-root-certs-for-windows-xp-march- 2014.361286/ Today I see that there is an update for root certs for XP dated November 2013. To be honest, I am kind of flabbergasted that I was offered an update from November 2013 while I had installed the update from March 2014. I am wondering whether other users on XP are seeing the same. Probably on other language versions of MS XP. What is going on here? Is this right? Is there an error on the MS Dutch update site? Is this also happening on other language versions of XP? Anyone know more about this? Any input is more than welcome! Maybe I will try to upload some screenshots but I don't know whether I will succeed with that on the new board forum software. ......... also from DSL Reports ... 25 March 2014 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29130460-Update-for-Root-Certificates-for-Windows-XP-recalled-on-3-25-2014- Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP recalled on 3/25/2014? Hello. I just checked my two/2 XP SP3 machines' Windows Updates and noticed "Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP [November 2013] (KB931125)". According to both machines' histories, I got "Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP [March 2014] (KB931125)" on 3/11/2014. What's going on? Did MS recalled March 2014's root certificates? ------ Thanks for raising the question. The same thing as you noticed, has also been noticed by folks at Wilders: »www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/···.362462/ (with link to this thread here at DSLR/BBR)

Thanks submix8c ... I have never completely understood Root Certificates. I've read your links ... I don't understand exactly what I'm reading. I think for now I will stick with my image backup with the XP March updates. I was just experimenting with the April updates to see if everything was OK. I was waiting to see if anyone else posted that they also had the November 2013 Root Certificates update show up after having the March Root Certificates already installed. Again, if this is not happening to anyone else then I have to figure it's on my end. Should I fool around with more Root Certificate updates from those links you posted or just stop with the November 2013 update ... tempted to install the March 2014 RC update again to see what the Windows Update Tool reports.

Just finished installing the April 2014 XP updates on my machine ... went back to recheck everything with the Windows Update Tool on IE8 ... all updates were OK except that I found that I now needed an older Root Certificates update from November 2013. Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP - November 2013 (KB931125) I had installed the last Root Certificates from March 2014 with the March updates ... Update for Root Certificates for Windows XP - March 2014 (KB931125) so why I now had to go back to November 2013, I don't know. I installed it and went back for a recheck and all updates are installed ... wanted everything correct for an image backup later. Just a heads up to others to double check the Roots Update ... may just be something with my computer setup. ...

Again thanks for the reply ... but not what I was looking for. I am not making my question clear so I have made my decision ... I will not "turn off" the Automatic Update Service for at least 3 or 4 months to see if anything new actually shows up. My plan 6 months ago was to turn the service off (finally) after the April updates but now I have reconsidered and will put that on hold.

Thanks for the reply ... but that's not what I really had in mind ... I don't plan on installing anything in the near future unless in a year or two some unofficial update projects show up. I am referring to using the IE 8 update tool. I was just interested in how others think that there could be additional updates for the two that I mentioned ... IE 8 and MS Office. I suppose there could be some sort of XP update for some very serious flaw, I thought I read that somewhere, it would have to be something very serious.

Just like to have an opinion or two about this ... or a direct answer. I am wondering if running an XP update check on Update Tuesday would still be necessary ... even now after the last official XP updates have been released? Here are my last XP updates for April 2014 ... Microsoft Windows XP Security Update for Windows XP (KB2922229) Typical download size: 277 KB , less than 1 minute Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - April 2014 (KB890830) Download size: 24.7 MB , less than 1 minute Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP (KB2936068) Download size: 9.2 MB , less than 1 minute Windows XP End of Support Notification (KB2934207) Download size: 504 KB , less than 1 minute Microsoft Office 2007 Security Update for Microsoft Office 2007 suites (KB2878236) Download size: 2.1 MB , less than 1 minute Of course I'm not interested in KB2934207 and KB890830 ... but could there be more updates for IE 8 not connected with Windows XP ? MS was still releasing updates for IE 6, if I remember. Also, I have Office 2000 installed but over the last year or so I have been getting an Office 2007 update every so often. At first I was hesitant to install the Office 2007 updates but since I have an image backup on hand ... I did install them and I checked around the internet and could find nothing bad posted anywhere about putting these updates on with Office 2000. So could there also be more Office 2007 updates down the road for some XP machines? I was planning on turning off the Automatic Update Service but now I am wondering if it should be kept on for some possible future updates not directly XP updates but for IE8 and MS Office?

Well this is all very interesting ... reading the last 12 - 15 posts. I didn't have a clue to actually what was being discussed but I am in learning mode. Just a suggestion since maybe this may well turn into an XP project of some sort very shortly. Perhaps a "new thread" properly titled in the XP forum should be started today or very shortly so it can be more easily followed. Maybe someone passing through MSFN will notice it and be able to also contribute. Sure didn't take long (the next day) for something to get started dealing with XP. Maybe a moderator or someone here posting with knowledge of all this can get a new thread started while the discussion is still young.

I posted an XP article from China earlier ... there was a link to this article ... can we also expect this from contractors one day everywhere trying to save money ... new buildings for the "seniors" ! ... low cost means "low cost" !!! ... I'm sure this will catch on all around the world. Look at the pictures ... the building looks great on the outside from a distance. Fake Windows Painted on New Chinese Qingdao Apartment Building by Fauna on Saturday, October 26, 2013 http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/fake-windows-painted-on-new-chinese-qingdao-apartment-building.html Fake Windows Painted on Low-Cost Qingdao Residential Complex Buildings October 23rd, Qingdao, the Yichang Meijing ["Beautiful Scenery"] Residential Neighborhood located at the intersection of Yichang Road and Xinglong No. 1 Road in Qingdao city’s Shibei district is a low-cost high-rise residential complex. On the walls of three buildings near the Yichang Road side, many “windows” were neatly painted, with netizens calling it a modern Ma Liang and His Magic Brush. October 23rd, Qingdao, the Yichang Meijing buildings under construction at the intersection of Yichang road and Xinglong No. 3 Road are affordable low-cost residential real estate. On the outer walls of the north face of the buildings are painted “fake windows” matching the specifications of the windows around it. Xiao Jian/CFP ... there are many comments at the bottom of the article ... but this one is priceless: "How are thieves supposed to deal with this! After scoping out the terrain, with everything in hand, they dive into the window. BANG, they’re knocked unconscious." ...

I briefly mentioned this earlier ... "70% of China XP Users Never Applied Updates" ... "Thirdly, data shows that 70 percent of China's XP users in the last 13 years have not chosen to use Microsoft's periodic security service updates. For most of the users, XP's retirement will have a limited impact. In spite of this, Microsoft and several domestic vendors will soon release a series of security measures, and offer continued protection to these users, before they eventually decide to upgrade to a new OS." I found an interesting XP story at a Chinese site ... "chinaSMACK" ... the comments are also interesting, going back and forth about staying with an old OS, calling each other names ... you think you might be reading this in the US or Europe but it's China. Microsoft Ends Support for Windows XP, Chinese Reactions by Fauna on Monday, April 7, 2014 http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/microsoft-ends-support-for-windows-xp-chinese-reactions.html The following microblog post by state-broadcaster CCTV is the 6th “hottest” of the day, and the #Say Goodbye to XP# hashtag is currently the second most popular… From Sina Weibo: @央视新闻: Tomorrow, Support for XP Will Officially End! — Tomorrow, April 8th, Windows XP will be officially retired, with Microsoft to stop offering customer support. When the time comes, although XP will continue working, it will be even more susceptible to Trojan horse attacks! Many domestic companies have declared they will continue “providing for the elderly” XP, but in a recent private “attack and defense exercise”, many third-party protection software were “instantaneously” compromised by hackers, so XP “is old” now. On this last day, those who have used [XP] before, raise your hands and #Say Goodbye to XP#! There are many comments ... I pulled just a few to show the discussions going on in China over XP ... seems to be a very "heated" topic of discussion there. Those who agree with me that XP is better than Windows 7, click upvote. --- The computer in my home is garbage, used only by my father to play Dou Dizhu or whatever. If it is attacked, then great, he plays so much everyday that he doesn’t even make dinner anymore. --- Nowadays mobile phones are used as computers, computers are used as televisions, and televisions are used as decoration. People like this, click upvote --- I suggest all hackers abandon attacks on the XP system. For the honor and self-respect of hackers as well as the XP that has accompanied us for so long, we need to reach a tacit agreement! Hacker knights, spare aging senile Win XP, let us use action to tell Microsoft that they may have abandoned XP but we will never abandon it! I’m still fantasizing about XP being a defenseless system but still becoming an eternal classic. --- Retired, your mother, are they stupid c****? 70% of users in China are all using XP, so you think it is retired just because you say it is? You stupid c***. --- XP dies on Qingming Festival --- I only know how to use XP… --- I don’t understand, what is the domestic media is trying to do announcing this in this way? The words “service will be ended” [服务 can be interpreted as "support" or "service"] is inappropriate. Microsoft is just stopping their service of providing updates and patches for the XP operating system. After April 8th, the XP operating system can still be used normally. --- My computer happens to be XP, so what am I supposed to do now? Who can tell me? --- Hehe, what is everyone who has pirated versions of XP installed getting all f****** upset about? --- For next year’s Qingming Festival, I’ll sweep your tomb for you, ol’ XP… --- My computer is XP, can I no longer use it? Or do I have to go to a computer repair place and re-download/re-install some software? I don’t understand. --- A bunch of ridiculous people who use pirated versions discussing what to do now that Microsoft has stopped customer support… there was never any support for pirated versions in the first place, okay. --- windows 95 was better than Vista, in fact, everything that ever was or will be is better than Vista. Everyone knows it, even Microsoft know that OS was a steaming pile of dog SH!*… ... OK so there is some interesting discussion going on even in China.

Just a few minutes ago I solved my problem as to not being able to download updates to MalwareBytes v1.75 ... I use Proxomitron as a proxy and somehow it was no longer listed in the Settings part of the program. It may have been when I tried the new 2.0 version and decided to go back to the older 1.75 version. After entering the proxy information again, the update part does work for me. Didn't notice the info was gone. When no one else "here" or "anywhere" posted about the same problem, I figured it has to be on my end somewhere ... just took me awhile to figure it out. ...

It downloads for me at both links ... on the first link posted when I hit the green download button ... not sure if it's for XP but something is downloading and at the second link you have a choice for either the 64 or 86 version. I don't use MSE but it seems to still be there.

I am not seeing that about XP ... "Microsoft Security Essentials is no longer available for Windows XP" ... when I go (now) to that first link I still see XP listed ... maybe it's there somewhere but I don't see it. Microsoft Security Essentials Key Features Comprehensive malware protection Supports Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP Available in 33 languages Simple, free* download Protects you quietly in the background Automatic updates .... I not challenging anyone ... just reporting what I am seeing.

Yes for the short answer ... unless of course, when I decide to download and install the last XP updates my notebook should happen to catch fire and explode, then I may have a problem !!! I plan to wait a week or two to see if there are any update problems reported. added ... I see where China may be an exception and XP users there may get more security updates after today. China's Windows XP Users to Still Get Security Support 03 March 2014 http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3504738/chinas-windows-xp-users-to-still-get-security-support/ Microsoft is making a special exception in the way it retires Windows XP in China, and will continue offering security support for the OS to users in the nation. To do so, the U.S. software giant is partnering with China's leading Internet security vendors, Microsoft said in a Sunday posting on its official account with Sina Weibo, a top social networking site in the country. Outside of China, Microsoft is dropping support of Windows XP on April 8, meaning that users of the OS will no longer receive security patches meant to fix vulnerabilities in the software. .... more at the link, perhaps some of those updates will make it around the globe, who can say ! Also, this is interesting: 70% of China XP Users Never Applied Updates Thirdly, data shows that 70 percent of China's XP users in the last 13 years have not chosen to use Microsoft's periodic security service updates. For most of the users, XP's retirement will have a limited impact. In spite of this, Microsoft and several domestic vendors will soon release a series of security measures, and offer continued protection to these users, before they eventually decide to upgrade to a new OS. ...

So you are saying you are able to update version 1.75 with the latest definition. When I try to get the latest update ... a box pops up saying: An error has occurred. Please report this to our support team. Program Error Updating (Host not found) There are some other words but no update happens ... worked fine the last time I updated on the 23rd. ...

Thanks ... I had read all that earlier and saw that there was no manual update for the newer version. I also doubled checked after I installed it. I didn't "attack" the new version since most people may like the whole setup ... most of the complaints have been it has the Windows 8 look. I just like the look and feel of version 1.75 ... I guess I lucked out getting the March 23rd update before the updates were cut off. If anyone finds future updates for MBM v1.75 ... let the few of us still interested know.

OK that may be "old news" but my real question is as follows. I really don't like the new version and am going to stay with the older version 1.75 for my XP system. I can't find any newer manual updates beyond March 23rd ... last time I updated. The new version seems to have been released around that time also ... MajorGeeks has a date of March 24th for the newer 2.0 version. I tried the newer version and decided to stay with the older version ... I found some info saying the older version will continue to be supported ... both free and paid. So far the auto update on version 1.75 doesn't work for me and I can't find any online download sites for the older manual update. Anyone also have any luck with a newer manual or auto update for version 1.75? ... if anyone else is also going to stay with the older version. What does Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 2.0 mean for me? https://helpdesk.malwarebytes.org/entries/45274777-What-does-Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware-2-0-mean-for-me-#will-you-continue-supporting Will you continue supporting my Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.75? Yes, we will continue to support Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.75 free and paid (Malwarebytes Anti-Malware Pro) with regular database updates. You will still be protected from new threats. Current users of MBAM 1.75 can upgrade to 2.0 for free at https://www.malwarebytes.org/update.

Good article dencorso ... anybody going to the link in dencorso's post ... there is sort of a Windows XP poll on the right side at the bottom. Windows 7 is ahead but XP is in second place at this time. Cast your vote for fun and upset the M$ crowd ! Windows XP end of life poll Which operating system will you use after Windows XP support ends on 8 April? ... not sure if this poll is still active or not ... the web page has a March 7th date but the article is March 28th.

Nothing really to post ... just making mention of the "historical event" ! ... 10 days and counting. Found this XP article from March 21st ... from the article below: WINDOWS XP EXISTING UPDATES We've talked to Microsoft and it has confirmed that all existing security patches and updates for Windows XP will still be available after support officially ends. This means that after the 8th April 2014, you'll still be able to use Windows Update to download all existing security patches. This is important, as if you re-install Windows XP, you should still apply all of the existing patches in order to make the base operating system as secure as it should be. There is a worry that Microsoft will decide at some point to pull the updates from its website or make them harder to get. Don't worry, as the best thing you can do when support ends is to make a custom XP disc with SP3 and all updates pre-applied. As our instructions in the previous link show you, slipstreaming is a brilliant thing to do. This takes your original XP installation files and bundles together the service pack and updates into it. When you install XP from this disc, it's completely up-to-date with no need to visit Windows Update for anything. Given the situation with XP, this is the best thing that any existing XP user can do. When Windows XP Support Ends, This is How You Secure Your PC and Save All Updates. http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/1304965/when-windows-xp-support-ends-this-is-how-you-secure-your-pc-and-save-all-updates 21 Mar 2014 David Ludlow It's soon going to be a tough time for a lot of people, as Microsoft is pulling support for Windows XP on 8th April 2014. With no more security updates after that date, the security implications are huge, particularly as this aged OS still commands almost 30 per cent of the desktop market, according to NetMarketShare. Only Windows 7, with around 47 per cent of the market, sits above Windows XP, with the much maligned Windows 8 taking just shy of seven per cent of the OS cake. more at the link ... Might as well add this link also ... How to slipstream an XP disc with SP3 and all other updates. http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/1306762/how-to-slipstream-an-xp-disc-with-sp3-and-all-other-updates ...

Was looking for a free password generator to have on my computer to use anytime ... there are plenty of online generators but there doesn't seem to be many to download and have ready to use. I found one two years ago but I can't seem to find it on any of my old software CDs / Dvds ... still have some to go through. However, I found this free one a few days ago and it seems to be very good ... for anyone also interested. Secure Password Generator http://www.securityxploded.com/secure-password-generator.php Secure Password Generator is is a free desktop based tool to quickly generate strong & secure password. Secure Password Generator helps you to create strong password using one or more of the following character sets * Uppercase Letters (A-Z) * Lowercase Letters (a-z) * Numbers (0-9) * Special Symbols ($,#, ?, *, & etc) It is very easy to use with a nice GUI interface. You can generate password of length ranging from 5 to 500 characters. Also being a offline tool makes it easy to use anytime anywhere without internet connectivity. It is fully portable tool and includes Installer also. It works on both 32 bit & 64 bit platforms starting from Windows XP to Windows 8. .... forgot to add this earlier ... one thing that I did not like is that when you start this program it tries to connect to the internet as many newly installed programs do today. I have an older version of Zone Alarm installed ... firewall only and that also works great with XP and it stopped it from connecting back home. I suppose if a person is only using the Windows XP firewall that allows outgoing connections ... they wouldn't know this is happening. I set ZA to "not allow" this and other programs to connect unless I give the OK. That could be a draw back if you don't have a firewall that blocks outgoing connections or at least give you a warning. I still think the program seems good and I am using it ... just not letting it connect to the outside, there is no need for it to do so anyway ... it works just fine and I don't need it to be checking for updates or whatever.

These films I have watched ten times or more ... I also like North To Alaska but you mentioned it already and also like many Clint Eastwood films but here's my list ... it was tough not adding a "Dirty Harry" title ... but only ten allowed! 01 Cherry 2000 (1987) David Andrews, Melanie Griffith 02 Jivaro (1954) Fernando Lamas, Rhonda Fleming 03 Lost Horizon (1937) Ronald Colman, Jane Wyatt 04 Lucky Partners (1940) Ronald Colman, Ginger Rogers 05 Hong Kong (1952) Ronald Reagan, Rhonda Fleming 06 Tropic Zone (1953) Ronald Reagan, Rhonda Fleming 07 High Noon (1952) Gary Cooper, Grace Kelly 08 To Catch a Thief (1955) Cary Grant, Grace Kelly 09 Zombie Apocalypse (2011) Ving Rhames, Taryn Manning 10 The Rains Came (1939) Tyrone Power, George Brent

Post 5307 by jaclaz (Part 2) In other words, ponder on his words, but DO NOT take him as an example of "efficiency by throwing away things you don't need anymore". Perhaps the term "getting rid of" is better ... that allows a person to "give things away" or "throw things away". Just a few additional thoughts from my earlier post ... I currently have satellite TV which I am fast tiring of and may drop later this year. A few channels still hold my interest ... one being Turner Classic Movies (TCM). I have a fondness for old silent and early sound films. Many really good films that I would never have a chance to see or know about. Some great stars (at that time) that I would never know about if it weren't for TCM. Just two days ago (Mar 19th) TCM had a birthday salute to Betty Compson, who I had never heard of. They played some of her films for about 12 hours through the day, didn't get to see them all but I saw some very interesting early "talkie" films from 1928 that were really good ... put two of them on DVD. She was a silent star as a young girl and woman. She actually played the violin as a young girl and that helped her get into show business. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0173993/ "A mining engineer's daughter, blond, blue-eyed Betty Compson began in show business playing violin in a Salt Lake City vaudeville establishment for $15 a week. Following that, she went on tour, accompanied by her mother, with an act called 'the Vagabond Violinist'. Aged eighteen, she appeared on Alexander Pantages Theatre Circuit, again doing her violin solo vaudeville routine, and was spotted there by comedy producer Al Christie. Christie quickly changed her stage name from Eleanor to Betty. For the next few years, she turned out a steady stream of one-reel and two-reel slapstick comedies, frequently paired with Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle." Betty Compson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Compson Betty Compson (March 19, 1897 – April 18, 1974) was an American actress. Born Eleanor Luicime Compson in Beaver, Utah, she had an extensive film career. Her father died when she was young, and she was forced to drop out of school and earn a living for herself and her mother. She obtained employment as a violinist at a theater in Salt Lake City, Utah. Anyway, in 1916 when she was 18 going on 19 ... she was in a total of 42 films ... they were called short films but she was a busy teenager ... I counted 42 and she was busy before in 1915 and after 1916. I no longer find the films of today very interesting with all the phony digital effects, even films from the 70's and early 80's still had interesting special effects but today it's all computer generated for the most part and they just have no magic like earlier films. If you want to see a real special effects film ... with no computer made up stuff, watch "The Rains Came" from 1939 with George Brent. "It was nominated for six Academy Awards, winning in the category of "Special Effects and Sound Effects", for the earthquake and flood sequences. It became the first film to win an Academy Award for Best Special Effects, beating out The Wizard of Oz for the same Oscar." Now those special effects are still amazing every time I watch that film. Just two days ago I bought my last DVD (so I say), it's a special release (Jan 2014) of the film "It' a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" (1963). One of the funniest films ever made ... just about every comedian of the time is in that film. Criterion Collection has released a 5 DVD restored version on Blu-ray and DVD with an extended version and many extras. Some pretty good special effects in that film also. It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World http://www.amazon.com/Its-World-Criterion-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B00GBT61YS/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1395404735&sr=1-1&keywords=It%27s+a+Mad+Mad+Mad+Mad+World This has gotten longer than I planned but I will continue ... but I no longer feel that I like or need new films or satellite TV. It will be two years next month (April) that I started the switch from Windows 98SE to Windows XP. I really don't miss 98SE and will probably never fool with it again. There was a time that I thought I'd be with 98SE forever, hunted down all the software I could find but I decided two years ago to give XP another try and this time I "liked it" ... never looked back or had second thoughts. I still have all the software put away and will keep it, exactly why I don't know. Someone will find those old CDs and DVDs labeled "Windows 98SE Software", laugh and throw them out. I talked about this film already ... "Cherry 2000" (1988) ... it's 2017 and modern tech has crumbled and "old" is back in style ... including toaster ovens. Cherry 2000 http://www.amazon.com/Cherry-2000-Melanie-Griffith/dp/B0000542CA/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1395405879&sr=1-2&keywords=Cherry+2000 Well we all will make the decision one day, what's important to "get rid off" or to keep "just a little longer". ...

Post 5307 by jaclaz ... very well written, thought provoking post dealing with what all we store. Good one to save and read every so often ... I tend to keep my XP setup to the size that will will always fit on one image backup DVD. I have one 500 GB USB hard drive to move things to as a "temporary" storage hold ... though some items have been on that 500 GB drive much longer than I planned for them to be. Eventually I plan and do burn items to a DVD for permanent storage ... this could be XP software programs, YouTube videos, music, news articles and just other stuff that I think I will want to look at one day or read a second time. I don't save a lot of YouTube videos but I have saved many through the years that I will probably never watch again ... just don't have the time. For sure after I'm gone someday or no longer have need for my computers, will anyone even be interested in what I "collected" or thought was good enough to "save" to watch or read again one day ... probably not, the computers will be already old and older and probably scrapped ... the DVDs of what I stored or thought was important to store will most likely be tossed out. Who, in their busy day to day existence, will have the time or want to take the time to go through old computer junk or old DVDs - CDs ??? The picture that I use is Antonio Vivaldi (1678-1741) who's music I very much like ... have collected through the years all of his music, everything that exist today on a CD. Hopefully that collection would be of some interest to someone, but maybe not. Maybe ... 30 to 50 years from now, someone will still want an old Windows 98 or Windows XP computer setup ... with the fast pace of life today and probably faster tomorrow, I just can't imagine who will have the time or the interest to check out old computer electronics. Just seems so true ... today will be very old, very quick! ...

Tardigrades ... never heard of them but very interesting and hardy animals as you said. http://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&source=hp&q=tardigrade&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1 Tardigrades (also known as waterbears or moss piglets) ... they do look like waterbears or moss piglets. Meet the toughest animal on the planet: The water bear that can survive being frozen or boiled, float around in space and live for 200 years. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280286/Meet-toughest-animal-planet-The-water-bear-survive-frozen-boiled-float-space-live-200-years.html Thanks for the information. extra ... How to Find and Care for a Pet Tardigrade ( Water Bear ) http://www.wikihow.com/Find-and-Care-for-a-Pet-Tardigrade-(-Water-Bear-) Tardigrades ( Water Bears ) live in moss and ferns. They are some of the most amazing animals on Earth. They can survive: * Temperatures as low as -200 °C (-328 °F) and as high as 151 °C (304 °F); * Freezing in a block of ice, * Lack of oxygen, * Lack of water for as long as decade(s). * Levels of X-ray radiation 1000x the lethal human dose, * Most noxious chemicals, * Boiling alcohol, * Low pressure of a vacuum; like that of space, * And high pressure (up to 6x the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean). They may be microscopic, but are very cool!