galahs Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I use Win98 SE on a Pentium Pro 200 with 256MB or RAM.Since updating from Flash Player 7 to Flash Player 9 I have been having lots of crashes when trying to access different websites (especially intense multimedia based sites)I commonly get the error flash9b.ocx has caused an error etc etc.I have had the errors in Firefox, IE 6 SP1 and Opera 9. I reverted back to version 7, the problems go away but I can't access some sites now as they require version 9.Would this problem be a hardware (driver conflicct, lack of MMX processor for example) or a Windows 98 issue?Win 98 SEDirectX 9.0cWMP 9Java 1.6Pentium Pro 20026MB RamVoodoo 4 GraphicsEnsoniq SoundScape Audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 Here's my error log from a Microsoft Windows Vista page:IEXPLORE executed an invalid instruction inmodule FLASH9B.OCX at 016f:300512e8.Registers:EAX=02994b60 CS=016f EIP=300512e8 EFLGS=00010246EBX=00000002 SS=0177 ESP=00649dec EBP=00649e20ECX=029c6060 DS=0177 ESI=029c6100 FS=22afEDX=30206708 ES=0177 EDI=00000005 GS=0000Bytes at CS:EIP:0f 77 8b 46 38 db 80 88 00 00 00 51 db 40 64 51 Stack dump:0064a32c 029c6100 029c5780 00000000 00649eec 029c6100 0064a32c 3e800000 fe6fb8d8 00000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJARRRPCGP Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Here's my error log from a Microsoft Windows Vista page:IEXPLORE executed an invalid instruction inmodule FLASH9B.OCX at 016f:300512e8.Registers:EAX=02994b60 CS=016f EIP=300512e8 EFLGS=00010246EBX=00000002 SS=0177 ESP=00649dec EBP=00649e20ECX=029c6060 DS=0177 ESI=029c6100 FS=22afEDX=30206708 ES=0177 EDI=00000005 GS=0000Bytes at CS:EIP:0f 77 8b 46 38 db 80 88 00 00 00 51 db 40 64 51 Stack dump:0064a32c 029c6100 029c5780 00000000 00649eec 029c6100 0064a32c 3e800000 fe6fb8d8 00000000"invalid instruction" looks like corrupted Flash, processor or RAM malfunction. You can test your Pentium processor with Prime95 and the RAM with the Prime95 blend test or Memtest86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldb Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I would try uninstalling the player, you can get an uninstaller here:http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/Then go into your downloaded programs file in the windows directory and remove all the active X objects related to shockwave that may still be there. Then go and reinstall the palyer and see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyShadow Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Doesn't "invalid instruction" mean an opcode not supported by the CPU ? Like MMX, SSE, 3DNow, etc. ?I've seen an MMX emulator "driver" some time ago. Although too slow for general use, it should clarify this.Unfortunately, i don't remember where i found it. Try Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJARRRPCGP Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) Doesn't "invalid instruction" mean an opcode not supported by the CPU ? Like MMX, SSE, 3DNow, etc. ?I've seen an MMX emulator "driver" some time ago. Although too slow for general use, it should clarify this.Unfortunately, i don't remember where i found it. Try Google.Yep. Also can occur if your processor overclock isn't stable, especially if you get that for Prime95. But, it's possible that your processor revision is bugged. Early Pentium processors (dunno about the Pentium Pro) reportedly has a floating point bug. Edited January 31, 2007 by RJARRRPCGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 I had already tried wiping every trace of Flash content from my computer using both that un-install tool and then manually hunting down the remains both in the windows folder and registry and then reinstalling it. Bad news is I still get the error.I also have the suspicion it might be the Processors lack of MMX as it seems to only run into errors if a large multimedia file attempts to run and only if it was made with Flash 8 or 9.From memory I think Adobe claim the minimum system req to be a Pentium II which of course does have MMX.I have no troubles on YouTube however. p***es me off that more and more websites are made using only Flash. Very bad for accessibility. Their web designers should be shot! Looks like my trusty PPro is finally running out of puff, but boy its done well to last this long! I also have Win2000 duel booting on it, so I might give it a go on there and see if it makes any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erpdude8 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) I use Win98 SE on a Pentium Pro 200 with 256MB or RAM.Since updating from Flash Player 7 to Flash Player 9 I have been having lots of crashes when trying to access different websites (especially intense multimedia based sites)I commonly get the error flash9b.ocx has caused an error etc etc.I have had the errors in Firefox, IE 6 SP1 and Opera 9. I reverted back to version 7, the problems go away but I can't access some sites now as they require version 9.Would this problem be a hardware (driver conflicct, lack of MMX processor for example) or a Windows 98 issue?Win 98 SEDirectX 9.0cWMP 9Java 1.6Pentium Pro 20026MB RamVoodoo 4 GraphicsEnsoniq SoundScape AudioGet rid of Flash9b.ocx file from your PC, galahs! Flash 9 requires a PENTIUM 3 (like my 1.2 Ghz Pentium 3 machine) with 128Mb (or even 256Mb) of RAM. Flash 9 was not designed to be used on anything slower than a 500Mhz Pentium III processor.Use Flash 7 since your computer is really slow and can't properly handle the latest versions of Flash. And your old and slow Pentium pro 200 computer has 26 megs of RAM!! GEEEZ LOUISE! Put some high capacity RAM chips into your machine and give your old computer a lot more brainpower. Come on and start giving your PC a LOT more memory to handle those memory hungry programs out there. 128Mb or even 256Mb of RAM should do the trick. Edited January 31, 2007 by erpdude8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenoitRen Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 He could try Flash 8. As for the 26 MB RAM bit, I think that's a typo, as you can't have that amount of RAM, and a missing 5 fits right in to form 256. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJARRRPCGP Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) And your old and slow Pentium pro 200 computer has 26 megs of RAM!! GEEEZ LOUISE! Put some high capacity RAM chips into your machine and give your old computer a lot more brainpower. Come on and start giving your PC a LOT more memory to handle those memory hungry programs out there. 128Mb or even 256Mb of RAM should do the trick.I dunno about that, because there were reports of slowdowns with more than 64 MB of RAM on some pre-1997 chipsets. Edited January 31, 2007 by RJARRRPCGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) lol, my system has 256MB's. It was a typo.Flash 7 works great BUT..... some web pages wont even display with Flash 7 any more I ran Prime95 for 5 hours with no errors.I can only find virtualpc software (bohcs) that emulates a pc (to allow mmx, sse sseII to be done in software) but I don't want to reinstall another copy of windows just for that (a requirement of the program). Another mmx emulator exists but only for Linux.Maybe a Pentium II 333MHz Overdrive chip might be this ol things last hope. I love her too much to put her into retirement just yet.She's been such a trojan horse of stability. Its use has slipped from high end gaming use, to office work, to internet use over the years. I also have two Pentium 4 machines for real work, but this girl together with Windows 98SE has been a fantastic internet access machine.And people with their Pentium 166's laughed at me when I bought a Pentium Pro 200 for 4 times the price of theirs. Well, I think 10 years of service without too many compromises has proven the price was well worth it!Long live the Pro! Edited February 1, 2007 by galahs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaddam Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) hello<snip>IEXPLORE executed an invalid instruction inmodule FLASH9B.OCX at 016f:300512e8.Registers:EAX=02994b60 CS=016f EIP=300512e8 EFLGS=00010246EBX=00000002 SS=0177 ESP=00649dec EBP=00649e20ECX=029c6060 DS=0177 ESI=029c6100 FS=22afEDX=30206708 ES=0177 EDI=00000005 GS=0000Bytes at CS:EIP:0f 77 8b 46 38 db 80 88 00 00 00 51 db 40 64 51Stack dump:0064a32c 029c6100 029c5780 00000000 00649eec 029c6100 0064a32c 3e800000 fe6fb8d8 00000000<snip>i'm not totally sure but...the instruction pointer points to the hex-code "0f 77" which is the mmx instruction 'emms' (clear mmx register -> ready for FPU instructions) ... but mmx is not supported by pentium pros.so it is a REAL bug which should be reported to the flash developers and fixed by them because their program detected CPU capabilities wrong which is dangerous also for newer hardware.pentium pro capabilitieshttp://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/fam/g6PPro-c.htmlcpu instruction list: (search for "0f 77")http://nasm.sourceforge.net/doc/html/nasmdocb.htmlhope this helps...lol, my system has 256MB's. It was a typo.Flash 7 works great BUT..... some web pages wont even display with Flash 7 any more I ran Prime95 for 5 hours with no errors.I can only find virtualpc software (bohcs) that emulates a pc (to allow mmx, sse sseII to be done in software) but I don't want to reinstall another copy of windows just for that (a requirement of the program). Another mmx emulator exists but only for Linux.Maybe a Pentium II 333MHz Overdrive chip might be this ol things last hope. I love her too much to put her into retirement just yet.She's been such a trojan horse of stability. Its use has slipped from high end gaming use, to office work, to internet use over the years. I also have two Pentium 4 machines for real work, but this girl together with Windows 98SE has been a fantastic internet access machine.And people with their Pentium 166's laughed at me when I bought a Pentium Pro 200 for 4 times the price of theirs. Well, I think 10 years of service without too many compromises has proven the price was well worth it!Long live the Pro! Edited February 8, 2007 by shaddam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well I'm glad someone has confirmed my suspicion that it was the Processors lack of MMX.I have reported the "Error Log" to Adobe.I should have a Pentium II Overdrive for my PPro on its way. That should allow me to confirm if MMX is required in Flash 8 and 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Well I have now upgraded my Pentium Pro 200 with on Overdrive Chip to a Pentium II 333MHz So basically I have just added 66% more clock speed and MMX.So I'm off to do some Flash 9 testing.Wish me luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galahs Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 I can now watch the videos off the Vista site.Conclusion: as the only added feature my upgrade gave me was MMX....... you need an MMX processor if you want compatibility with Flash 8 and Flash 9 content! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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