NON-Vista compliant peripherals for Windows 98/ME

[Analada]

Maybe now is the time to consider upgrading graphics card, hard disk, etc, for our Windows 98, 98SE + ME machines.

Tomorrow may be (will be?) too late.

Peripheral manufacturers wanting Vista conformity are required to sign-up to that OS's internal encryption (content protection) mechanisms. As this paper makes clear, this requirement is going to affect ALL PC users.

It's quite a paper methinks! SEE:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

See also Steve Gibson's site for an audio recording of an interview with that NZ computer scientist

at grc.com:

http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-074.htm

[MDGx]

Very good point.

If we wish to use Windows 98 Gold/FE (First Edition), 98 SE (Second Edition) and/or ME (Millennium Edition) into the future, we all need to consider doing this as soon as possible.

This thread is now "stickified" ["pined"].

[BenoitRen]

I was already planning to get a new computer one of these days anyway. I've had a Win98 SE disc for at least half a year already. Just need to buy the parts...

Edited January 17, 2007 by BenoitRen

[LLXX]

I wouldn't worry about this. Open-source community is strong.

[BenoitRen]

The open-source community is strong, yes, but not almighty. Windows-specific hardware has been out for a while already, and they are still a problem. Not only in terms of support, but for efficiency as well.

Read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386...ml.en#id2517701

[Guest Jlo555]

It's funny how things work now. In 2003, I was still chillin' on Windows 98/95, seeing how much controversy windows xp got with driver support, the DRM nightmare which still goes on, and excessive resource usage. I just built a new computer, which I stuck XP Pro on and it runs pretty **** well now, so I think I'm set for the Vista nightmare. (It doesn't run 9x/Me though, which I was unhappy about, but I have another setup for 9x). That article looks like a borrage of lawsuits and headaches waiting to happen. I plan on sticking with this system for years to come. Hell, after reading that article I'm seriously considering just reverting back to analog video/audio (ahh, good ol VHS). I don't have a hi-res tv or monitor anyway so I couldn't care less about "premium content". For those people who have to have blu-ray, hd-dvd and extremely hi-resolution video and digital audio, I wish you the best of luck....you're gonna need it!

[BenoitRen]

I just built a new computer, which I stuck XP Pro on and it runs pretty **** well now

Of course it does. Your newer computer is powerful enough to even take on WinXP's massive resource usage. My laptop that I bought one year back is about the same.

[98 Guy]

Very good point.

If we wish to use Windows 98 Gold/FE (First Edition), 98 SE (Second Edition) and/or ME (Millennium Edition) into the future, we all need to consider doing this as soon as possible.

This thread is now "stickified" ["pined"].

"We all need to consider doing *this* as soon as possible."

"This" - being upgrading our hardware before the good video cards, sound cards, and motherboards disappears.

How about some sort of consensus as to what would constitute a reference AMD/INTEL, NVidia/ATI system?

Speaking in terms of Intel, what's the best performing chipset with win-98se support? Was it the 875? or some other 8xx? Just what is the story with 915 support?

Would the 6200 be the last best Nvidia card?

[Ponch]

A reply from Bob to this 1st article:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pu...229_001403.html

And one more about Vista: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pu...208_001308.html

Those are a month old but still quite interresting.

[LLXX]

Speaking in terms of Intel, what's the best performing chipset with win-98se support? Was it the 875? or some other 8xx?

875 was the best chipset to support 98se, but quite rare (especially on LGA775 boards). The 865 has almost all the features but is a bit cheaper and more common to find.

[ZaPbUzZ]

but surely they'd use encryption for something useful and have it for verification on vista and not lock out the 3rd parties.

apart from whql verification it shouldn't be allowed to lock out linux and other vista rivals.

Doing so is a violation of consumer rights across the planet.

talk to consumer affaris and your local ministers make lobbies and end the drm nightmare for we need stability compatability and reliability not encrypted junk

Edited January 27, 2007 by ZaPbUzZ

[Analada]

Maybe now is the time to consider upgrading graphics card, hard disk, etc, for our win98sE machines.

Tomorrow may be (will be?) too late.

Peripheral manufacturers wanting Vista conformity are required to sign-up to that OS's internal encryption (content protection) mechanisms. As this paper makes clear, this requirement is going to affect ALL PC users.

It's quite a paper methinks! SEE:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

See also Steve Gibson's site for an audio recording of an interview with that NZ computer scientist

at grc.com:

http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-074.htm

Has since been updated (31 Jan.) so probably worth another look if you've not been there recently:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

and Microsoft's response

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs...t.html#response

[MDGx]

Good news [hopefully]...

RIAA + MPAA [out of all companies ] plan on selling music [+ eventually movies] on the internet *without* DRM or any other copy protection scheme.

I don't have that link anymore, but I bet it's still available on

http://www.digg.com/

EMI [largest music label in Europe and 1 of the 4 major music labels]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMI

is already in the middle of releasing unprotected music for download thru their official channels.

HTH

[Analada]

Has been updated February 18th. Makes a fascinating read:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

[Analada]

Has been updated February 18th. Makes a fascinating read:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Updated on 15 March 2007. Same URL.

Quote: "If I do ever want to play back premium content, I'll wait a few years and then buy a $50 Chinese-made set-top player to do it, not a $1000 Windows PC. It's somewhat bizarre that I have to go to communist China in order to find vendors who actually understand the consumer's needs."