Windows 98SE on the lastest hardware

[Petr]

These boards (with these PCI IDs) are supported (beta) by the latest Catalyst 6.2 for Windows 9x:

Radeon X***

"RADEON X300 Series"					   = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60
"RADEON X550"							  = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B63
"RADEON X600 Series "					  = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B62
"RADEON X600 Series"					   = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50
"RADEON X700 Series   "					= RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4A
"RADEON X700 Series  "					 = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4B
"RADEON X700 Series"					   = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4C
"RADEON X700 Series "					  = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4D
"RADEON X800 PRO/GTO"					  = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A49
"RADEON X800 Series   "					= R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4A
"RADEON X800 Series  "					 = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4B
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition "		 = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A50
"RADEON X800 PRO "						 = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5549
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition  "		= R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554A
"RADEON X800GT"							= R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554B
"RADEON X800 Series"					   = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554D
"RADEON X800 XT"						   = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D57
"RADEON X800 Series "					  = R430_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554F
"RADEON X850 Series"					   = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D4D
"RADEON X800/X850 Series"				  = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D4F
"RADEON X850 Series "					  = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D52
"RADEON X850 Series   "					= R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B49
"RADEON X850 Series	"				   = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4B
"RADEON X850 Series  "					 = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4C

and IGP:

"RADEON IGP 320"						   = A3_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4136
"RADEON IGP 340"						   = RS200_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4137
"RADEON 9100 IGP"						  = RS300_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5834
"ATI RADEON 9000/9100  PRO IGP Series"	 = RS350_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7834
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 "				   = RS400_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A41
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200"					= RS480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5954
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series"			 = RS482_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5974

Petr

[nicke85]

So Petr it mean that,

if I buy AsRock's 775TWINS-HDTV motherboard which has PCI-E slot,

than can buy later for PC upgrades...

100-714502 VGA PCI-E 256MB GDDR3 Radeon X800XL, All-In-Wonder, ViVO, PAL/SECAM+DVB-T, Remote Wonder, 256bit

...and get fully graphic support in W98SE again!?

[nicke85]

I wouldn't buy the poor man's Celeron. If you want a cheaper CPU, go AMD.

Pentium IV CPUs are expensive, but if you prefer Intel, then I can't stop you. Obviously, I'm an AMD fan.

I think that AMD procesors are more expensive than Intel's because CPU ids are untruth.

Example some AMD CPU like

SEM2400BOX+	CPU Sempron 1.67 GHz, 256kb + 128kb, soket A

cost 82e

but Intel's CPU

CEL 3.2BOX-352	CPU P4  Celeron D 3.20 GHz 512kb, 533MHz, S.775

cost 75e

Here u can see that Celeron D on 3.2 GHz has 512Kb cache and Sempron on 1.67GHz has 384kb.

But Intel Celeron has MMX technology and its good for 32bit system.

[Lunac]

I can vouch that X800GTO and X850XT (AGP versions) do not work right under Win98SE, I tested those on both of my machines. Also, a friend of my purchased a X850Pro just last month (AGP as well), it works just fine under XP, but it didn't work under his Win98SE install/partition. He couldn't even get as far as I did. His computer would BSOD upon boot and he would have to reboot. It worked fine in safe-mode though, which is fine if you like low resolution and minimal color setup. Although, in all honesty I'm not sure which version the drivers were.

As for AMD vs Intel, well... when Intel starts making affordable AND fast CPUs again, they'll have me back as a customer. (I've been Intel free since 2002.)

Intel seems to be more concerned with marketing and their public image than actual technology. Example: Those ridiculous Intel Duo commercials with some really ugly yuppies doing some really bad dancing (on acid I presume).

If Intel spent half the cash on R&D they spend on marketing, they could do wonders.

[LeveL]

Not trying to annoy people here but why continue to use an eight year

old OS that cannot handle NTFS and cannot handle files over 4Gb?

The answer to the question of "how can Win98se run on the latest

hardware is - don't use Win98se, just use XP".

If theres any reason to continue using Win98 now we have XP, then I am all ears.

[nicke85]

If theres any reason to continue using Win98 now we have XP, then I am all ears.

Yea but there are many good programs writen only for W98 and Dos.I have on my PC two OS's:

XP and 98SE and want to make combination of Vista and 98SE now.Ok!?

Edited December 1, 2006 by nicke85

[BenoitRen]

I think that AMD procesors are more expensive than Intel's because CPU ids are untruth.

You can't compare the clock speeds.

The 2400+ Sempron is equivalent to a 2.4 Ghz Pentium in speed.

I don't know what the equivalent would be of the 3.2 Ghz Celeron, its speed is lower in Pentium statistics. For example, my brother's Celeron is 1.7 Ghz, and the equivalent of a 1.2 Ghz Pentium.

They work differently.

Here u can see that Celeron D on 3.2 GHz has 512Kb cache and Sempron on 1.67GHz has 384kb.

Less cache means less time wasted looking through the cache before getting the data from the RAM or hard drive. But then again, there's less chance of finding what you're looking for in it too. There's no better CPU in that area.

But Intel Celeron has MMX technology

AMD has had the equivalent technology for years too.

why continue to use an eight year

old OS that cannot handle NTFS and cannot handle files over 4Gb?

Because we don't need NTFS? At least with FAT32, we can't have rootkits hidden in our system. NTFS on the whole isn't really that superior. And if we want to, we can read NTFS just fine. The tools exist. Even DOS can read NTFS if it wants to. Writing is another matter.

Why would we need files over 4 GB? That's just insane. Unless you do video editing (best done on a Mac anyway), or are a movie pirate, of course.

If theres any reason to continue using Win98 now we have XP, then I am all ears.

Windows XP is a piece of s***. And yes, I do use it (on my laptop, no real choice). Too much eye candy (looks like a toy, too), way too many services, bloated, treats you like an id*** (which slows you down), is a security nightmare because of the tons of services, etc.

Windows 98's interface is cleaner (though not as clean as Windows 95's), barely has services, only the necessary network components, doesn't treat you as that much of an id***, and flies on a Pentium II and newer (can even be used on a 486 if you want).

[Petr]

Example some AMD CPU like

SEM2400BOX+	CPU Sempron 1.67 GHz, 256kb + 128kb, soket A

cost 82e

but Intel's CPU

CEL 3.2BOX-352	CPU P4  Celeron D 3.20 GHz 512kb, 533MHz, S.775

cost 75e

Here u can see that Celeron D on 3.2 GHz has 512Kb cache and Sempron on 1.67GHz has 384kb.

But Intel Celeron has MMX technology and its good for 32bit system.

I have just checked some internet shops in our country:

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ (s754) ... € 33,60

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ (AM2) ... € 41,30

Intel Celeron D336 BOX 2.80G (s775) € 44,90

Intel Celeron D352 BOX 3.20G (s775) € 56,40

(prices without VAT)

Intel processors will have much higher power consumption and the motherboard will be more expensive.

I personally prefer Intel processors but at present, for cheap solutions AMD is better because there are no cheap Intel Core2 processors and also motherboards for Intel Core2 processors are expensive.

Petr

[glocK_94]

Not trying to annoy people here

Oh really? So why do you come to says that here. Why do you even bother to come in the Win98 thread anyway? Do we come trash the XP forums to say how bad we think it is?

We've had enough with win98 haters here. If the only thing you can answer to the question "latest hardware for Win98 ?" is "get XP", then go wait for Vista and give us a break!!!

[nicke85]

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ (s754) ... € 33,60

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ (AM2) ... € 41,30

Intel Celeron D336 BOX 2.80G (s775) € 44,90

Intel Celeron D352 BOX 3.20G (s775) € 56,40

In my country are theft in PC shops!!!!!!MY GOD!

Please post me some price list.

But Petr thats AMD CPU's are for diferent motherboards.Look at socket!

[Petr]

But Petr thats AMD CPU's are for diferent motherboards.Look at socket!

Yes, I'm sorry, I have not noticed "Socket A" but Sempron 2400+ in Socket A is no longer sold here.

Why not to compare AMD and Intel processors in socket 754 and 775 respectively?

Petr

[xtrm]

I don't want to start a new topic, so I'm just using this one for my question.

My system is a P4 B (533mhz quad fsb) 2.8GHz with a ASUS P4T533-R - yes, right, the 32bit 1066 rambus board and one of the buggiest boards ever. And now that I have upgraded from my old GF4 T 4600 to a GF 6800 GT@Ultra, my CPU is just a limitation. So I want to upgrade my board and my CPU (and my RAM of course), but I don't know what is the latest hardware that still supports 9x. I had a barebone with a 875 chipset and it just did not work with 98SE, the setup just hung up at the beginning most of the time and the intel chipset software which supports 9x did not work with the 875 chipset. But I'm sure there are people here which run 98SE on newer rigs than a 4 year old board and CPU. So if you have any suggestions and recommendations for a new intel sys, please tell, thanks!

[Petr]

I never had any problems with i875P chipset and Windows 98SE, everything works as expected.

AFAIK just SATA disks in native SATA mode will not work and may cause the problem you have described. SATA disks in PATA compatibility mode should work fine.

This topic was discussed here several times, it depends what new hardware you want.

The official support for Intel chipsets is:

ICH5 + 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P/82875P/E7210: no driver for native SATA/RAID

ICH6 + 915G/P/GV/GM/PM/GMS/910GML: no driver for native SATA/AHCI/RAID, USB2.0, High Definition Audio

Unofficial support is for

ICH7 + 945G/GZ/P/PL/955X/975X: no driver for native SATA/AHCI/RAID, USB2.0, High Definition Audio, some ACPI (?) problems

For example Gigabyte GA-8I865GME-775-RH supports all Celerons, Pentium 4 processors and Pentium D processors up to model 820 and 940. The price in local internet shop is € 38 without VAT.

Asus P5PE-VM supports also 05B platform processors and costs about € 41,50 without VAT

and many others.

Many other boards were mentioned in other threads here, e.g. AsRock boards etc. It depends on your needs.

You can also use AMD processors (like cheap and good Sempron 64 2800+ in socket 754) with VIA based motherboard, VIA has drivers for both USB 2.0 and native SATA/RAID HDDs.

There are many other options, it depends what do you expect.

Petr

[xtrm]

I do not use SATA at all, just IDE drives, so I do not have any use for that anyway.

What I expect...well, the CPUs released by Intel after the Northwood all kinda sucked, but now the Core 2 Duo seriously rocks, so if it is possible somehow, that would be my choice.

[Petr]

the CPUs released by Intel after the Northwood all kinda sucked, but now the Core 2 Duo seriously rocks, so if it is possible somehow, that would be my choice.

Then you can use the above mentioned ASUS P5PE-VM or AsRock ConRoe865PE, ConRoe865GV

Petr