Opera 8.50: Completely free of charge!

[boooggy]

press release:

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/09/20/

download:

http://opera.com/?transform=none

[XtremeMaC]

wow!! its free **** never thought it'd be

[Nanaki]

This is awesome. Another fine choice instead of MSIE.

I'm more Firefox though.

[Scubar]

wooohoooo free opera, what a great day this is. thanks

[chessonly]

Great news !!!!

Ah i wonder what open 'sores' users wld say about this.

Surely now firefox is going down now

[DigeratiPrime]

Opera 'free as in beer'

Firefox 'free as in beer + free as in speech'

Its nice news, but Firefox still has the extensions!

[Noise]

I guess the fat lady sings.

[chessonly]

Its nice news, but Firefox still has the extensions

DigeratiPrime, I have always wondered this: how many extensions does an aaverage ff user uses. In my experience something always broke if i used too many(needed to reach Opera's functionality).

[Nanaki]

Crappy argument. There was actually a guy with 112 extensions. Should search for the link to that. I use 25 and no side effects.

[Zxian]

DigeratiPrime, I have always wondered this: how many extensions does an aaverage ff user uses. In my experience something always broke if i used too many(needed to reach Opera's functionality).

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. Opera has a feature set that takes a number of extensions to match. However, there are extensions that give Firefox more functionality than Opera.

Some people like apples, some like oranges.

Crappy argument. There was actually a guy with 112 extensions. Should search for the link to that. I use 25 and no side effects.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, but it is known to those who have tried to use extensions, that there are some that may be incompatible. I have run into this a few times myself. You also have to think about the poor sucker who doesn't know much about computers in the first place...

[Nanaki]

True, but those people should stick to update.mozilla.org

[chessonly]

Crappy argument. There was actually a guy with 112 extensions. Should search for the link to that. I use 25 and no side effects.

Oh please, installing any of the tab extensions brings ff to a crawl, many extensions break with an upgrade, are incompatible with each other,session saver(which is essential)- after a few days this just stops working. and mine is not a lone case, many users experience this.

Chances are most ff users are happy with 5-7 extensions, and just settle for less.

You're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. Opera has a feature set that takes a number of extensions to match. However, there are extensions that give Firefox more functionality than Opera.

when did i compare?? besides, ff can never match Opera's functionality, even with extensions - irc, mail, msr, speed, customizations. ofcourse ff is very useful for 'specialist' stuff - proxy, traceroute, printing etc.

Some people like apples, some like oranges.

Thats coz every orange user has tried apples but only a few 'apple'(ff) fans have taste an orange(opera)

[chessonly]

Did a lil searching : my 'crappy' argument seems very correct:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.ph...page=15&start=0

http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/m-286410/tm.htm

http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=3714&hl=

from http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=3038&hl=

Ok, here is a list of conflicts I've detected so far. Let's keep it up!

(all below conflicts were detected in Firefox 1.0.2 / en-US)

1. Adblock 0.5.2.029 - status bar item is not displayed. Caused by ColorZilla 0.8.2

2. Ad Bookmark Here 0.5.3 - menu items do not show. Caused by Rewind/Fastforward Buttons 1.3.2005040901

3. EMbuttons 1.1.3 - Performance and Concise modes do not work. Caused by Adblock 0.5.2.029

4. Create Shortcut 0.3 - context menu items do not show. Caused by copylinktext 2005.03.20

5. Toolbar Enhancements 0.16.2 - button images do not display correctly. Caused by Linkification 0.9.20

More:

http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2612&hl=

This is getting hilarious

Colorzilla or ctrl+c

http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=1140&hl=

Firefox still has the extensions!

Thank god Opera stays away from such extensions, besides there is always

www.userjs.org

[Zxian]

You're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. Opera has a feature set that takes a number of extensions to match. However, there are extensions that give Firefox more functionality than Opera.

when did i compare?? besides, ff can never match Opera's functionality, even with extensions - irc, mail, msr, speed, customizations. ofcourse ff is very useful for 'specialist' stuff - proxy, traceroute, printing etc.

The moment you start saying "for ProgramX to match ProgramY" you're making a comparison.

Opera is a suite. A better comparison would be the Mozilla Suite to Opera. If you take out IRC and Mail, then you've got a better comparison between Opera and Firefox, so lets do that. Yes, Firefox needs extensions to match the remaining feature set of Opera. That's old news. The ability to add extensions also means that you can surpass the funtionality of Opera in various aspects.

Some people like apples, some like oranges.

Thats coz every orange user has tried apples but only a few 'apple'(ff) fans have taste an orange(opera)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Unfortunately, that's true. Generally speaking, people who use Opera have tried Firefox at some point, but not the other way around.

[Nanaki]

@chessonly: Sure, you can have arguments (you even did your research) but only by the way you're saying all this makes it clear you will never like Firefox better, even if it's an exact clone of Opera, a wee bit faster. I'm getting annoyed by people bashing Firefox (or Opera, it can be the other way around). Not just useful bashing, but bashing because "my product is better! if I use it, it has to be the best!".

If you use Firefox, Opera, Safari, whatever... I don't care. The only thing I care about is my sites working on every browser, and that I don't have to find all sorts of nifty hacks to make it work on MSIE. Or even better, I care about accessing all sites, displayed CORRECTLY. Why all this Opera <-> Firefox stuff? Why do you find fighting for 5% marketshare against eachother usefull? Firefox made it possible for more websites to be standard compliant, it made it possible for more browsers to be accepted. Now if Opera can gain its marketshare (NEXT to Firefox, not FROM Firefox) the web will only improve. Stop trying to convert users from the other browser, start converting users from MSIE.

Edit; heh, just a rant. No offense.

Edited September 23, 2005 by Nanaki