Aligned or not-aligned partitions on a 4TB GPT hard disk drive under WinXP/2003?

[Multibooter]

I am about to combine software downloads, spread out over several smaller HDDs, onto a single 4TB GPT HDD. The 4TB GPT HDD will be read and written to mainly under Window XP SP3 (with Paragon GPT Loader) and under Windows Server 2003 32bit SP2, with occasional read/write access by Windows 10. The 4TB GPT HDD will be used only for data storage, and I will create both a master 4TB GPT HDD and a backup 4TB GPT HDD.

Should I create aligned or not-aligned (=CHS-aligned) partitions on the 4TB GPT hard disk drives?

The two 4TB GPT HDDs are Toshiba HDWD240, the label on them has an "AF" symbol and Hard Disk Sentinel displays under WinXP "Bytes Per Sector: 4096 [Advanced Format]". Victoria v5.23 displays under WinXP: "Sector: Logic 512 bytes, Phys 4096". PartitionGuru v4.7.0 under WinXP displays "Sector Size: 512 Bytes, Physical sector Size: 512 Bytes".

A major criteria is backward compatibility. Which Windows XP software doesNOT work with aligned partitions? Which Windows 10 software doesNOT work with not-aligned partitions? Which hardware or driver doesNOT work with aligned/not-aligned partitions?

Does Windows XP/2003 have serious bugs when using aligned partitions? Does Windows 10 have serious bugs when using not-aligned partitions? Does boot-time/startup CHKDSK of WinXP/2003/Win10 have issues with aligned/not-aligned partitions on a 4TB GPT HDD?

Is the question about partition alignment on a 4TB GPT HDD irrelevant? Do both aligned and not-aligned partitions work OK on a 4TB GPT HDD under WinXP/2003/Win10?

Is there a worth-while increase in computer efficiency/speed, with a 5400rpm 4TB data storage HDD, when you use aligned partitions under Windows XP/2003?

If the 4TB GPT HDD should ever go bad, is it easier to recover data from aligned or not-aligned partitions?

When the onboard SATA controller (e.g. the Intel ICH5 onboard the Asus P5PE-VM motherboard of 2006) incorrectly detects under WinXP a disk geometry of 855388/121/34 (instead of 219051/255/63) for the 4TB GPT HDD connected to onboard SATA, will aligned or not-aligned partitions work OK?

In Paragon Hard Disk Manager 11, 12, 14 and 15 you have the choice of creating aligned or not-aligned partitions under WinXP, with the selection -> Tools -> Settings -> General options, section Partition Alignment Mode.

You can also create a mix of aligned and not-aligned partitions on a GPT HDD with Paragon HDM under WinXP/2003 by switching between "Legacy" and "Vista" Alignment mode in Settings -> exit PHDM -> restart PHDM -> create partition.

There are several alternatives:
1) create not-aligned partitions on both the Master and Backup 4TB GPT HDD
2) create aligned partitions on both 4TB HDDs
3) create aligned partitions on one 4TB GPT HDD, and not-aligned partitions on the other 4TB GPT HDD
4) create a mix of aligned/not-aligned partitions depending on e.g. the file system (FAT32/NTFS)

Answers to the various sub-questions above may help find an answer to the main question here: Should I create aligned or not-aligned partitions on the two 4TB GPT hard disk drives?

Edited Sunday at 02:45 PM by Multibooter

[modnar]

How updated is your Windows XP? Only SP3 or all updates till end of support (april 2014) or maybe also all of the extended support updates (2019)?

I haven't tried GPT on XP yet, but what new disks I have with normal partitions, I can tell you that disk access is faster if partitions are aligned with disk's layout.

I don't really worry about how BIOS recognises the disks, I have all of them on "Auto" and then I just align partitions (to cylinder for XP) with Minitool Partition Wizard.

[user57]

a alignment is made for a "piece of area"

if you have a "align area" for 1 MB (aka 1´048´576)  
then 2048 sectors of 512 bits would fit in there (or 256 sectors of 4k (4096))
if you dont have a "align area" that rounds up correctly it might lead into a sector, cluster, track, cylinder, whatever

in between a other if you have a area like 4k (4096) * 4 =  16384 but you made that area +1 then the area overlaps into the next 4k sector 

then it use up 5, 4k sectors while the other data is not used, maybe corrupted

 

the 512 bit and 4096 bit sector question been around for a while now, the hardware/firmware can also handle this - in this case this in then made in the harddrive/firmware not the operation system anymore

if the firmware handles that right it can emulate logical and physical sectors - a drive is made at least of 4 maybe more parts (cluster, cylinder, sector, head) - its a combination not a single piece like "i want this specific sector, like just an "offset you enter - and thats it? no" " 

this is very common for other electronic parts to translate something like this for example a "logical address" to a "physical address", or segmentation (thus 32 bit can write past 4 GB)

where the electric signals in the ram apear is then part of that -hardware piece-, the hardware piece control that

or in case of a harddrive in hand´s of that firmware - what later then translate this to a physical thing on the harddrive - thats it

this also make the -32 wires question- come out again - a USB only has 4 wires (where 2 are rather a power supply - if you notice the light on your usb mouse it probaly get powered by this, the smartphone charge should be also a such example), rather 2 wires of the USB are used for "transfer and control - what then is limited by frequency that wire can do" -

but a usb cable can write to a "terabyte + harddrive" - you dont need always 32 or 64 wires to do this (with 2 wires you would have a offset 2*2 = 4 , 4 wires 2*2*2 = 16)

(there are such model´s who use 32 wires and control wires - but it is not always a must - if i remember right with FSB there was something done the ram only had 200 mhz but "quadpumped" its 800 FSB (that might bring out someones memory´s) - the cache and the TLB of the cpu can do this)

 

i wonder why no-one has made the related change in the windows xp operating system yet - basicly it sounds simple to ask the harddrive what sector-size it uses (sometimes called the AF (advanced format)) but its just 4 k sectors the term "AF" sounds a bit to high for my opinion 

after that the right controlment for the 4 k sector has to be written - if it reads out a different sector size it handles for that size that was returned - if its 512 then its 512 if its 4096(4k) then its that size

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/backup-and-storage/support-policy-4k-sector-hard-drives

the x-box solution maybe ? if not it was like "everything is a paragon driver problem"

it might be solved to a 16-18 TB harddrive just going for the sector size of 4k, the other might can be ignored for now

Edited 1 hour ago by user57
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[Multibooter]

14 hours ago, modnar said:

How updated is your Windows XP? Only SP3 or all updates till end of support (april 2014) or maybe also all of the extended support updates (2019)?

I haven't tried GPT on XP yet, but what new disks I have with normal partitions, I can tell you that disk access is faster if partitions are aligned with disk's layout.

I don't really worry about how BIOS recognises the disks, I have all of them on "Auto" and then I just align partitions (to cylinder for XP) with Minitool Partition Wizard.

A working browser, reliable virus-checking and the ability to work with 4TB+ HDDs make a computer/operating system useful in 2025 and later, at least for me. WinXP without these three capabilities is of limited use.

Two of my computers work already fine with 4TB GPT HDDs under WinXP/2003 (read/write, partitioning. virus-checking, watching movies, Beyond Compare. Sandboxie, etc)
WinXP on these 2 computers is "SP3-only", and does not contain "all updates until end of support" nor "all of the extended support updates".

My first set of two 4TB GPT HDDs (Master+Backup) was created under WinXP SP3 and Win2003 32bit SP2, with both 4TB HDDs partitioned unaligned, i.e. by setting "Legacy" mode in Paragon HDM12 before creating the partitions. The first set of 4TB HDDs has worked mostly fine under WinXP/2003/Win10. I will now create more sets of 4TB+ GPT HDDs, containing different accumulations of stuff, mainly for use under WinXP/2003. Before starting to partition the 4TB+ HDDs under WinXP/2003, however, I will have to decide on the setting: Legacy [=unaligned] or Vista [=aligned]. The wrong choice may mean that eventually 100TB+ of stuff may have to be copied again

Working under WinXP with GPT HDDs <=2TBs is easy, maybe a good exercise for getting acquainted with GPT under WinXP. Working under WinXP with GPT HDDs >2TB, however, is the tricky part.

MiniTool Partition Wizard v11.4 (last version for WinXP), for example, doesNOT work under WinXP with GPT HDDs of any size (<=2TB and >2TB): an OK partitioned 4TB GPT HDD gets displayed as having a single partition and nothing happens when you right-click on it.

My currently preferred software for creating partitions on 4TB GPT HDDs under WinXP/2003 is Paragon Hard Disk Manager 12 v10.1.19.16240 (Server, 25Nov2012). In PHDM12 the blue screen installer bug of GPT Loader of PHDM11 was fixed, it contains the last version of their old [=well-tested] partitioning engine, no .NET Framework. Paragon removed from PHDM12 the huge Total Defrag component, maybe issues defragging with PHDM11 under WinXP a 4TB GPT HDD?

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Multibooter

[Multibooter]

10 hours ago, user57 said:

... the hardware/firmware can also handle this - in this case this in [is] then made in the harddrive not the operation system anymore

If I understand you right, the Toshiba 4TB HDD partitioned with both settings "Legacy" mode [unaligned] and "Vista" mode [=aligned] settings will work fine under WinXP/2003/Win10 because the firmware of the HDD will handle both aligned and unaligned partitions correctly?

Edited 12 hours ago by Multibooter

[user57]

10 hours ago, Multibooter said:

If I understand you right, the Toshiba 4TB HDD partitioned with both settings "Legacy" mode [unaligned] and "Vista" mode [=aligned] settings will work fine under WinXP/2003/Win10 because the firmware of the HDD will handle both aligned and unaligned partitions correctly?

hard to say when you dont know the entire thing - but the firmware definitely has potential to fix a such related problems - but as said there might be more of things still involved