Resuming the transition to Manifest V3

[NotHereToPlayGames]

12 minutes ago, UCyborg said:

#1 Blink fan

Not really.  Data-led conclusions.  Nothing by the gut and nothing from emotions.

If you really want to fall down a Rabbit Hole - you think UXP is dying, try WebKit in Linux.  You'll throw the computer out the window, lol.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

12 hours ago, UCyborg said:

They still have you where they want you. You're the #1 Blink fan.

What tests do you prefer?  I know that you don't like Speedometer and like to cite FPS instead.  Is there a specific test that you run?

There is definite intrinsic value towards testing relative to one's OWN needs/behaviors.  I have no use for GAMES and therefor to me, FPS has very little (if any!) to do with RENDERING A WEB PAGE.

But sure, let's look at FPS.  A search bought up testufo as a test and Ungoogled v122 hits a steady unwavering 64 FPS regardless of window size.  I'm sure more modern hardware would hit higher.  64 FPS sounds good to me.  I have no reference point.

In Official Pale Moon 33.4.1 (pictured), Firefox ESR 115, Firefox ESR 128, IceCat 115.17, the FPS would drop all the way to 28-36 unsteady/wavering/fluctuating for a maximized window and would gradually increase as I resized that window.

I'm no gamer, but I doubt they intentionally SHRINK their window viewport just for HIGHER frame rates.  I have to "assume" that they want their window viewport as large as it can get.

[UCyborg]

59 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

What tests do you prefer?  I know that you don't like Speedometer and like to cite FPS instead.  Is there a specific test that you run?

None, really. I just cited FPS because those numbers striked me that way. My only test is whether I like using it long-term.

I like comfortable GUI where I can move buttons around freely and that the browser uses Windows inherited ClearType text contrast, both for GUI and web pages, among other things.

I've also seen certain aspects where Pale Moon is better despite getting lowest scores in benchmarks. All Firefox and Chromium browsers take forever to start on my PC unless they're already all prefetched and precached and whatever. By forever I mean way over 15 seconds.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

7 minutes ago, UCyborg said:

My only test is whether I like using it long-term.

I guess that is our difference.  I don't mind LEARNING a new GUI for the sake of PERFORMANCE.

I could CARE LESS about "security/safety".  That's an exaggeration.  Slightly.  "Security/safety" is all POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE.  HYPE up the WHAZOO.

Just be NET SAVVY - something most folks are clueless on what that even means.  And only allow .js on "three out of every two hundred" web sites that you visit.  Another SLIGHT exaggeration.

There is "security/safety" risks just walking down the hallway in your house, just stepping out of your house into the "wilderness", just driving your car, just shopping for groceries.

We can all be so paranoid of "security/safety" that we never walk down the hallway, never step out of the house, never drive the car, never shop for groceries.

We are all going to draw our own line in the sand.

Folks here at MSFN spout PARANOID DELUSIONS left and right.  Some for "security/safety".  Some for "privacy/telemetry".  Some for "performance".

ALL THREE HAVE THEIR MERITS.

[UCyborg]

Sometimes I think I want something different. But honestly, it seems no browser really clicks with me, even Pale Moon.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

None really click with me either!  I have ZERO interest in updating my browser profile dozens of times per year.

My only goal is for ONE PROFILE to last a YEAR OR TWO, three if I'm lucky.

I was able to use GreenBrowser for ELEVEN YEARS!

Mypal v27 for about two years.  New Moon v28 for about two years.  360Chrome (v86) for about two years.

Only time will tell if I will get two years out of Ungoogled v122.  I still cannot figure out why my bank WORKS in Ungoogled v122, v123, and v124 *ONLY*.  Nothing OLDER.  Nothing NEWER.

Users of Brave cite the same exact login issues with the same exact bank!  I tried Ungoogled v131 just this morning and it does not work with my bank.  Again, no clue why.  I don't use Brave, I only follow the forum for my bank login issues.

Again, hoping to get TWO years on this profile.  No updates to it other than uBO lists, Stylus styles, and Tampermonkey scripts.  No updates to uBO version, no updates to Stylus version, no updates to Tampermonkey version.  No updates to Chromium v122 engine.

[Sampei.Nihira]

18 hours ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

I personally DOUBT IT (from the perspective of my BROWSER PROFILE)!  At least, I have a VERY strong hunch that UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM (at least prior to v127) will *NOT* disable them at the browser-profile level!

And even post-v127, I would not be surprised if UNGOOGLED CHROMIUM will still run uBO from GitHub!  (Or, more importantly, from my own archive!)

I'm referring to my LOCAL WEB BROWSER.  I could "care less" if Chrome Web Store "disables" MV2 (nobody is disputing that!), that "alone" has ZERO EFFECT on what my LOCAL WEB BROWSER is running!

My curiosity is purely academic.

From a personal point of view I have in Edge I have the policy “ExtensionManifestV2Availability” since it has been available,I know how to use DNS level network filtering in advanced mode,I know how to use adGuard Adblocker v.5.x in Hard Mode + TLD,if needed I know how to use uBlock Origin Lite integrating it not only with DNS level network filtering but equipping it with some extensions more respectful of its (scarce) privacy.

In FF I don't have to worry about MV3.

So I, too, can “sit back and watch the corpse of my enemies go by.”

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sampei.Nihira

[NotHereToPlayGames]

7 minutes ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

So I, too, can “sit back and watch the corpse of my enemies go by.”

[Sampei.Nihira]

3 hours ago, UCyborg said:

None, really. I just cited FPS because those numbers striked me that way. My only test is whether I like using it long-term.

I like comfortable GUI where I can move buttons around freely and that the browser uses Windows inherited ClearType text contrast, both for GUI and web pages, among other things.

I've also seen certain aspects where Pale Moon is better despite getting lowest scores in benchmarks. All Firefox and Chromium browsers take forever to start on my PC unless they're already all prefetched and precached and whatever. By forever I mean way over 15 seconds.

Really?
I wouldn't think twice about deleting Windows 10 and switching to Linux.
Probably an xfce distro.

A few years ago my daughter's old W.10 PC also had the same problems.
I installed Xubuntu (but not dual-mode).
 

 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

4 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

I wouldn't think twice about deleting Windows <snip>10</snip> and switching to Linux.

Been there, done that.  And like the million of people that SAY they will switch to Linux, here I am, on WINDOWS instead.

Linux is a nice "idea".  But it's never going to dethrone Windows.  It's just an adjective thrown around like a dirty sock because the laundry room is too far of a walk.

[UCyborg]

That's just the first time in a session. And since I don't use those browsers as much these days, I've trained pre-fetcher to not bother with them. I remember a period when I used Edge a bit more often, could login, leave computer alone for a minute or two, then Edge would open in 3 seconds.

When I do it now, it's about 10 seconds the first time. Do it again, it's 3. Then if I empty standby list with RAMMap, it's 10 seconds again. We didn't have as bloated web browsers when this computer was new in 2009, but today, spinning rust needs some time to gather all the crap together. Linux can't magically speed up loading bloated programs. 10 seconds is about the standard I get for typical bloated modern browser on Linux.

I've seen much worse with Firefox on Windows (hence 15+ seconds remark), though that also included restoring old session (of course, with all other tabs remaining inactive). Those 10 seconds I mentioned previously with Edge, it can take a bit longer if done just after login after computer is turned on.

[NotHereToPlayGames]

I get that first-session delay also.  In *ALL* browsers.

I've trained myself to LEAVE THE BROWSER OPEN with just one empty tab when hitting the "hibernate" button at the end of the day.

No fix for a "restart".  But since I only do a full "restart" once a YEAR or so, this workaround works for my needs.  

[Sampei.Nihira]

Forget Linux if you don't like it....you don't like it.
Obviously from my point of view it is a missed opportunity to revive an old PC that with Windows 10 is like having an elephant as a brake.

Edge is a very fast browser.
Unfortunately, it is very,very difficult to configure as best as possible.
Almost 80% of my security configuration lists the settings I had to change in Edge.
And many of these settings are unmentioned because they act at the DNS level.

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sampei.Nihira

[NotHereToPlayGames]

5 hours ago, Sampei.Nihira said:

Forget Linux if you don't like it....you don't like it.

Actually, I do like it.  I have an equal amount of affection towards Linux as I do my Commodore 64 emulator.  They're lovely conversation pieces to throw on the screen and hear ooh's and ahh's when passerby's see the screen.

[Sampei.Nihira]

Another approach to the MV3 + uBlock Origin problem is to use Brave Shields:

https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

Since it is not an extension, it is not bound to the transition to MV3.

Although Brave developers assure to support some MV2 extensions even after June 2025.
Considering that Gorhill will abandon the development of uBlock Origin for Chromium after June 2025,this extended support will be discontinued sooner or later.

@NotHereToPlayGames

A curiosity.
Would your employers allow you to replace Chrome with Brave?

Edited December 1, 2024 by Sampei.Nihira