Never 10 - by Steve Gibson

[maxXPsoft]

10 hours ago, NoelC said:

Is there anything about adding software to counter software that's been unwittingly added that's somehow better than just always hiding / avoiding installing KB3035583?

More software isn't always the answer...

-Noel

Nope and sure don't want another service running. I'd think it needed to check for updates also

Well before using Never10 I had applied 2 reg settings found elsewhere. Started Never10 up on target Win 7 and it said I was good. Ok hmm. I set it back then reapplied.

So is the only thing it is doing is setting these 2 settings? Don't know, didn't track Never10 as I would on my own PC but i'm already running the beast

Anyways here are the 2 reg settings
 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
;http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-block-windows-10-upgrades-on-your-business-network-and-at-home-too/
;Here's how to say no to the new version in 30 seconds or less, without installing third-party software. UPDATED 12-Mar-2016

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

EDIT: Course if you not Admin then maybe you need the Never10 to set these settings

Edited April 19, 2016 by maxXPsoft

[jaclaz]

Surprisingly (as NOT "on display at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet  stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying beware of the leopard") the ALREADY linked to page has this to say on the matter:

https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm

Quote

Never10 manipulates the values and security permission settings of the following two registry keys:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableGwx” is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the “Gwx” key and the “DisableGwx” value. This key and value control the display of the “Get Windows 10” offer icon in the system tray. When DisableGwx is set to 1, the upgrade offer icon is suppressed.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableOSUpgrade” is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the “WindowsUpdate” key and the “DisableOSUpgrade” value. This key and value control the downloading and installation of any upgrades to Windows. When DisableOSUpgrade is set to 1, any previously downloaded Windows 10 files are deleted and Windows will never attempt to upgrade the current operating system.
When Never10 disables automatic OS upgrading, the following actions are taken:
Under the Gwx key, which will be created if it doesn't yet exist, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableGwx” is created and set to 1.
Under the WindowsUpdate key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableOSUpgrade” is created and set to 1.
When Never10 enables automatic OS upgrading, the following actions are taken:
Under the Gwx key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableGwx” is deleted.
Under the WindowsUpdate key, the 32-bit DWORD value “DisableOSUpgrade” is deleted.

jaclaz
 

[maxXPsoft]

Follow that link I posted on the reg settings and you find

Quote

Thanks to Woody Leonhard from InfoWorld and Josh Mayfield, author of the GWX Control Panel tool, for their valuable input.

No software needed REG it

Edited April 19, 2016 by maxXPsoft

[jaclaz]

Well Steve Gibson has a re-known attitude to attempt to sell (even for free) some good ol' snake oil and more generally his ego is the size - give or take - of a mid-sized galaxy

As a side note and JFYI:
http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/

And also in this case he is senselessly bashing GWX Control Panel, but one cannot be surprised (as he clearly documents them) about which keys are involved, which BTW are (strangely enough) documented by the good MS guys:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

The first one:
Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

AT LEAST since August 2015:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150910142858/https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

and the second one:

Subkey: HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
DWORD value: DisableGwx = 1

 

AT LEAST since January 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160122033904/https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

jaclaz
 

[Dibya]

On 4/6/2016 at 11:30 PM, dencorso said:

No one really knows...
But I suspect MS'll continue pushing 10 for longer than that.
It's flopped, but they refuse to face up to reality, you know.

Yes My friend you are absolutely correct. Windows 10 update was also pushed on my Compac620 without my knowing.

I have no freedom rather booting into my first partition with XP SP3.

If i ever go to silicon valley really i want scold them for there cheating work.

[NoelC]

That's the trouble with "tweaking" apps that purport to make it unnecessary to actually understand what is being done (and facilitate tweaking by those who think it's magic).  They don't actually know what they've done.  Kudos to the tweaking app authors who describe what's being done.

Like MaxXPsoft, long ago I just set the registry keys and have since avoided installing KB3035583 and a few others that purport to "ease the Win 10 experience", and Windows 10 doesn't show up.  And it goes without saying that one MUST be in control of Windows Update.  Anyone who still has Windows Update on automatic is probably a lost cause at this point.  I not only control that at my convenience, but Disable the Windows Update service when not using it, as well as reconfigure my firewall software to not allow connections to the Windows Update sites.  The whole "reconfigure before manually requesting Windows Updates" process makes it take about 15 seconds longer to initiate.  Maybe 20.

The answer is NOT to add more software.  The answer is to add more KNOWLEDGE, then optimize the execution of the smart approach.

-Noel

[jaclaz]

8 minutes ago, NoelC said:

 

The answer is NOT to add more software.  The answer is to add more KNOWLEDGE, then optimize the execution of the smart approach.

Cannot really say what the answer is, however the theme here is about trust and finding out which "solution" is "better", then of course the simplest way to implement it should be chosen.

Does Steve Gibson trust the good MS guys? YES (though not entirely as he added the registry permissions edit to the "simple" two registry keys changes).

Do you (or should we) trust them? NO, as you ADDITIONALLY to those provisions disable Windows Update, reject/avoid some updates, etc. even using a firewall to minimize communications to to the good MS guys.

The debate is more about which one is the smart approach (or if the simpler one is smart enough)

jaclaz