vinifera Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 @NoelCI meant, you have mixture of .net now within VB/CPP so you can use "newest api"yes I know there are workarounds for ver6 well main point was, there is no native or pure win32 support for these new vs'sits all for .net s***, and even VB 6 is not supported anymore in terms of patching and MS doesn't care of itand they did write they dropped support for it, but it still seems its apps and runtimes run on NT6/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techie007 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Guys, it looks like Microsoft has made their next move in their "upgrade to Windows 10 or bust" game: In October 2015, Microsoft officials outlined a schedule for stepping up the company's push to get Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 users to move to Windows 10. On February 1, Microsoft started making good on the promised push. "As we shared in late October on the Windows Blog, we are committed to making it easy for our Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers to upgrade to Windows 10. We updated the upgrade experience today to help our customers, who previously reserved their upgrade, schedule a time for their upgrade to take place," said a company spokesperson. What does that cryptic statement (delivered at 5 pm ET, right in the middle of the Google earnings call, by the way) actually mean? It means today's the day Windows 10 moves to "recommended" status.http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-as-a-recommended-update/ Of course, Microsoft already promised us that they would do this, but it still seems ridiculous! It's a bit early to see if my OptOut10 patch remains effective despite this. If I trust Microsoft's documentation of the GWX opt-out settings, it should remain effective. But then again. . . it's Microsoft's already shaky trustworthiness that's at stake here! Edited February 2, 2016 by Techie007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Microsoft ups user, device minimums for Enterprise Agreement volume licensing deals As of that date, business users who want to go the Enterprise Agreement approach will face a minimum requirement of 500 users or devices, rather than the current 250. Microsoft will steer those with fewer than 500 devices/users to its Microsoft Product and Services Agreement (MPSA) and Cloud Solutions Provider (CSP) programs, instead. I wonder if this change might have anything to do with a desire on Microsoft's part to let as few Windows users as possible to escape from the telemetry-and-forced-updates gulag. At least, it appears to be a move to round up as many as they can into the cloud model. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TELVM Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Windows 10 now a 'recommended' update for unsuspecting PCs "... be aware that if you have switched to manual updates you still may end up downloading the new OS anyway. Windows Update is automatically preselecting the optional download as desired, so there's no need to click on the box to get it ..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Do people still trust the "normal" settings provided by the very same company that's trying to push Windows 10 on us? The answer is, of course, to TAKE CONTROL of what you're allowing to run on your system. It's not magic. -Noel 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Oh, and by the way, one can find evidence out there that there is already a secret, behind-the-scenes, no user action required method for Microsoft to push updates on people. E.g., http://www.zdnet.com/article/confirmation-of-stealth-windows-update/ http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/microsoft-updates-windows-without-users-consent/ http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/protect-yourself-from-silent-windows-updates/ Also keep in mind that Windows Defender can download antivirus definitions, which are normally delivered via Windows Update, by itself. How deep do Defender's update installing capabilities go? Will Microsoft co-opt Defender to "defend" against people running older versions of Windows? It might be time to take another hard look at Defender as well. -Noel Edited February 2, 2016 by NoelC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelC Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Out of curiosity, if you have a Windows 7 or 8 system you're trying to protect from being updated to Windows 10, what do you have in this file? C:Windows\Logs\Gwx\ConfigManager.log I have a Win 7 system that I turned up in April, 2015 with all updates, and even back then Microsoft was already pre-loading GWX. Later in the year I swept through that system, after having uninstalled all the GWX that I could find, leaving nothing but a couple of logs. The dates and data I found in the file I named above are interesting... 2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info Initialized logging. Cmdline: /RefreshContent2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info MUID: {B968A68C-2175-45A0-AF45-1AA25031DE35}2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info Using Prod content FwLink https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=526867.2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info Port: [443], Secure -> [TRUE]2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info IE specifies auto-detect.2015-09-08 00:19:26, Info Trying auto-detect2015-09-08 00:19:28, Info Unable to retrieve proxy info for URL -> [0x2f94].2015-09-08 00:19:28, Info Continuing without proxy2015-09-08 00:19:28, Info Continuing with download for url https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=526867.2015-09-08 00:19:31, Info ConfigManager failed with error [0x80072efd]. If you're concerned that GWX activity may still be happening on your system that you're not aware of, have a look in this log. I'm curious to see what you see there. -Noel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351837 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Do people still trust the "normal" settings provided by the very same company that's trying to push Windows 10 on us? The answer is, of course, to TAKE CONTROL of what you're allowing to run on your system. It's not magic. -Noel And to be sure it stays that way... Out of curiosity, if you have a Windows 7 or 8 system you're trying to protect from being updated to Windows 10, what do you have in this file? I don't have it. Turned off update on time. Edited February 2, 2016 by 351837 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TELVM Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Sorry Noel, no GWX folder here either . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridrok Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Personally, I did disable Winupdate on my 2 win 7 Ultimate and 2 win 8.1 core 6 months ago and seeing how things goes I then now think about deleting these services for good.It's a long run for me personally being an IT Infrastructure Architect specialized in AD and clients deployment, but if we face the truth about MS now, this service + bits are the most useless things on Win 7 and 8.1 at home. (And I enjoy deploying 1000+ Win 7 pro with Office 2010 currently in a big company ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formfiller Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Windows 10 now a 'recommended' update for unsuspecting PCs "... be aware that if you have switched to manual updates you still may end up downloading the new OS anyway. Windows Update is automatically preselecting the optional download as desired, so there's no need to click on the box to get it ..." I am so tired of NuMS, can’t even rant anymore. I bet that even if you hide it, it will re-appear every three months. I also bet we will soon see more forced installation “accidents”. This whole situation feels so dumb – it’s exactly from the malware-playbook, yet no one calls the FBI because the perpetrators aren’t some Russian or Chinese hackers, but a “respectable billion-dollar company”. I guess that makes it ok then… Might makes right in its purest form. Using Windows since 2015 feels like living in a warzone: You need to be alerted all the time and watch every step, or you might step on a mine. You need to always listen to the news to be informed of new attacks against your area and take precautions. It's ridiculous. We are paying costumers, not their victims. Edited February 2, 2016 by Formfiller 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TELVM Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 ... This whole situation feels so dumb – it’s exactly from the malware-playbook, yet no one calls the FBI because the perpetrators aren’t some Russian or Chinese hackers, but a “respectable billion-dollar company”. I guess that makes it ok then ... ... Using Windows since 2015 feels like living in a warzone: You need to be alerted all the time and watch every step, or you might step on a mine. You need to always listen to the news to be informed of new attacks against your area and take precautions. It's ridiculous. We are paying costumers, not their victims. ^ You've nailed it. In the first half of 2015 Microborg became the enemy and started playing War Games. Since then the only winning move is not to play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 well in my win7 SP1 with integrated fixes up to 9th month 2015there is no GWX folder in logs seems like 9nth month was last "clean", after that all i see on forums is this pushing "10" as for Defender, dunno why people even use that garbage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Out of curiosity, if you have a Windows 7 or 8 system you're trying to protect from being updated to Windows 10, what do you have in this file? C:Windows\Logs\Gwx\ConfigManager.log Happily, I don't have that file or subdirectory on my Win7 system. But yesterday the dreaded updates KB2952664 and KB3135445 reared their ugly heads again (and promptly got them chopped off once more). --JorgeA Edited February 3, 2016 by JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Using Windows since 2015 feels like living in a warzone: You need to be alerted all the time and watch every step, or you might step on a mine. You need to always listen to the news to be informed of new attacks against your area and take precautions. That's a very apt way to look at it. A related analogy would be to walking down a city street late at night. You need to be on the lookout for muggers and other unsavory characters jumping out in front of you from behind every corner. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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