Question about rloew sata driver

[[FMC]Ravage]

Can you install windows from an sata cd/dvd drive to a sata hard drive with rloew's driver? If so, do you need a floppy drive to load them?

Also, would I need the high capacity disk patch or is that only for pata drives?

Edited December 1, 2012 by [FMC]Ravage

[rloew]

Ravage' timestamp='1354337050' post='1020614']

Can you install windows from an sata cd/dvd drive to a sata hard drive with rloew's driver? If so, do you need a floppy drive to load them?

Also, would I need the high capacity disk patch or is that only for pata drives?

The SATA Patch is for Windows. You will need a DOS SATA CDROM Driver such as GCDROM to install Windows from a SATA CD Drive.

A Floppy, bootable CD or bootable USB Drive will be needed to add the SATA Patch unless it is slipstreamed into the CD.

The High Capacity Disk Patch is stil needed if the SATA Drive is larger than 137GB.

[submix8c]

OK... I just HAVE to chime in on the SATA CD/DVD issue.

I've seen this type of questions/conversation before and haven't spoken out.

I have a Dell Dimension E521, SATA-II ONLY (no PATA) and GCDROM does NOT work for DOS. You MUST use Dell's proprietary CD/DVD driver to get it to function. I had to SPECIFICALLY make a Boot Floppy just for it to get access to it.

If anyone needs the details for the file(s) and AUTOEXEC.BAT/CONFIG.SYS let me knwo... ONLY if all other methods fail, PLEASE.

Trust me, it was a real head-scratcher (did NOT work) and I used WinME to do it . I could double-check the Win98 out if need be, but the file(s) are the same. The reason for using WinME was because the HDD was/is SATA-II (apparently PATA-mode) and larger than standard Win98 useable.

If anyone else has done this WITHOUT using the proprietary driver (particularly for E521 nVidia nForce430 Chipset), feel free to correct me. I had to yank the file(s) from the Boot Image (also available in a file on their FTP).

More info (extcd.sys inside file R123008.EXE)

Dell IDE USB 1394 Optical Disk Drive DOS Driver

Release Date: 4/21/2006

Version: A02 1.09

The "MSCDEX.EXE" was from the Boot Image and not sure what version/who made it since it's compressed with PKLITE and doesn't easily "unpack". Not really sure if it's proprietary or not.

edit - ...and MAYBE I just used the GCDROM.SYS wrong?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdromdosdrv/

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/gcdrom.htm

(search for it) -

http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm

also some info on "failure to function" -

http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/dos-dvd-driver/17073.html

Oddly, the nForce 430 says that its MCP61 here -

Mine's Geforce6150LE(?) and "gcdrom.sys" specifically states

GCDROM.SYS supports all SATA Native IDE controller, such as Intel ICH6/ICH7/ICH8, Jmicron 363/368, NVidia CK804/MCP55/MCP51 etc.

Here (a FreeDos page) specifically states to alternatively use the "extcd.sys" file.

Here is some ODD-ware (HP FreeDOS) that may/may-not work with ICH9/other.

STILL, "gcdrom.sys" (v2.3) may not work as it is ALL up to ICH8-only -

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/disk-drives/f/3534/p/18143014/18266000.aspx

(go down to the GIGABYTE post + links)

Jabbering here at 911 -

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18722

IOW, YMMV...

Edited December 1, 2012 by submix8c

[rloew]

OK... I just HAVE to chime in on the SATA CD/DVD issue.

I've seen this type of questions/conversation before and haven't spoken out.

I have a Dell Dimension E521, SATA-II ONLY (no PATA) and GCDROM does NOT work for DOS. You MUST use Dell's proprietary CD/DVD driver to get it to function. I had to SPECIFICALLY make a Boot Floppy just for it to get access to it.

If anyone needs the details for the file(s) and AUTOEXEC.BAT/CONFIG.SYS let me knwo... ONLY if all other methods fail, PLEASE.

Trust me, it was a real head-scratcher (did NOT work) and I used WinME to do it . I could double-check the Win98 out if need be, but the file(s) are the same. The reason for using WinME was because the HDD was/is SATA-II (apparently PATA-mode) and larger than standard Win98 useable.

If anyone else has done this WITHOUT using the proprietary driver (particularly for E521 nVidia nForce430 Chipset), feel free to correct me. I had to yank the file(s) from the Boot Image (also available in a file on their FTP).

More info (extcd.sys inside file R123008.EXE)

Dell IDE USB 1394 Optical Disk Drive DOS Driver

Release Date: 4/21/2006

Version: A02 1.09

The "MSCDEX.EXE" was from the Boot Image and not sure what version/who made it since it's compressed with PKLITE and doesn't easily "unpack". Not really sure if it's proprietary or not.

edit - ...and MAYBE I just used the GCDROM.SYS wrong?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdromdosdrv/

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/gcdrom.htm

(search for it) -

http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm

also some info on "failure to function" -

http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/dos-dvd-driver/17073.html

IOW, YMMV...

I have successfully used GCDROM on the one Computer that needed it. I have no idea about any other. There may be better solutions out there.

I later modded GCDROM so that it could be used with the SATA controller in RAID mode as this solved a separate issue.

[submix8c]

@rloew - I had edited my post. It all depends on the chipset. Bear in mind that my E521 HDD is NOT set to AHCI AFAIK (only options are No RAID or RAID, apparently RAID-1 only) but the DVD (PC is ALL SATA-II) is NOT recognized in DOS without using the "special" Dell SYS-file. No "special" drivers seem to be needed (?) for the HDD connected (No RAID in BIOS) so must be AHCI=Off/PATA/IDE (?).

Notice that GCDROM.SYS hasn't been updated for a while to include ICH9/Newer-Intel or the Newer nVidia, whether AHCI or NOT, it's STILL attached to a SATA port and apparently NEEDS a CD/DVD driver for DOS.

You should be so kind as to update that module for other users with this problem, since it appears that the source code is available (FreeDOS).

(U B such a kewl dude and all...)

Ennyhoo, the FYI is here for anyone GOOOgl-ing / searching MSFN...

(Please note again that I nicked this stuff out of the Restore Boot Image for my E521 - wen NUCKIN FUTZ figuring out the problem of a basic independent DOS7.x floppy disk.)

More on the DELL driver (oldest version - I have the two newer and use the A02) -

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/disk-drives/f/3534/p/17281906/17412118.aspx

http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/DriverDetails?driverId=r56407

Edited December 1, 2012 by submix8c

[rloew]

@rloew - I had edited my post. It all depends on the chipset. Bear in mind that my E521 HDD is NOT set to AHCI AFAIK (only options are No RAID or RAID, apparently RAID-1 only) but the DVD (PC is ALL SATA-II) is NOT recognized in DOS without using the "special" Dell SYS-file. No "special" drivers seem to be needed (?) for the HDD connected (No RAID in BIOS) so must be AHCI=Off/PATA/IDE (?).

Notice that GCDROM.SYS hasn't been updated for a while to include ICH9/Newer-Intel or the Newer nVidia, whether AHCI or NOT, it's STILL attached to a SATA port and apparently NEEDS a CD/DVD driver for DOS.

You should be so kind as to update that module for other users with this problem, since it appears that the source code is available (FreeDOS).

(U B such a kewl dude and all...)

Ennyhoo, the FYI is here for anyone GOOOgl-ing / searching MSFN...

(Please note again that I nicked this stuff out of the Restore Boot Image for my E521 - wen NUCKIN FUTZ figuring out the problem of a basic independent DOS7.x floppy disk.)

More on the DELL driver (oldest version - I have the two newer and use the A02) -

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/disk-drives/f/3534/p/17281906/17412118.aspx

http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/DriverDetails?driverId=r56407

AHCI is out of the question. It is NOT compatable with Windows 9X. There appears to be a Driver for AHCI in DOS called AHCI.SYS.

RAID Mode requires a modified GCDROM.SYS

I use AMD nearly exclusively, so I don't have any recent Intel Products to test any fixes on.

[[FMC]Ravage]

Thanks guys, lots of good info here! I'll be using it on an older 939 board so hopefully gcdrom will work.

[submix8c]

JFYI - cross-posting -

Other Dell links (this is the one I use) -

http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/driverdetails?driverid=R123008

note: nVidia Chipset on the E521

A Reference or two -

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/servers/f/956/p/5318265/5441251.aspx

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/T400-T500-and-newer-T-series/T400s-DVD-CDROM-drive-in-DOS/td-p/309380

(slightly OT - http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1696)

edit - Google this

dell mscdex.exe extcd001 -firmware -bios

Please note that EXTCD.SYS has a default value of "EXTCD001" and I have used the MSCDEX.EXE (renamed) from the E521 Utilities CD Boot Images. BOTH of these files were "compressed" using PKLITE.

MSCDEX.EXE Version 8.0 CD-ROM file handler.
Copyright (c) 2005 Dell Inc. All rights reserved.
MSCDEX.EXE [/Help/?] /D:<driver> [/E/K/N/V] [/F:<files>]
                    [/L:<letter>] [/M:<buffers>]

/D:drivename    name of CDROM Driver[REQUIRED].
/E              use Expanded memory (LIM/EMS) if DPMS not available.
/F:value        number of file handles to allocate (default is 20).
/K              look for supplementary volume descriptor that
                identifies shift-JIS Kanji volume.
/L:drive        specifies drive Letter (default is first unused drive).
/M:value        nuMber of buffers to allocate (default is 14).
/N              do Not use DPMS (by default, handler will relocate
                to extended memory if DPMS is available.)
/V              Print out debug information during initialization.

Side Note - I used an "I altered it" Windows ME EBD...

AAAAAND, I won't swear to this, but MAYBE the HDAT2 ISO Image will have something that "may" work... (untested)

Edited March 17, 2013 by submix8c