CoffeeFiend Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 (edited) You can get an addon card for serialOf course (or I could get a truckload of USB->RS232 adapters), but that means one less slots for RAID/SATA/NIC/Video/DVB/ATSC/whatever else cards (or even things like eSATA or USB2 ports on brackets)... And since most motherboards still have it, I won't settle for one without it -- especially at that price. I've considered building a device with a couple USB hub chips + several FT232R chips though (or the FT4232HL even; throw in a couple voltage regs like the LM2594 too)... It could have a few banks of 4 outputs with either DB9 outs/RJ45 outs/TTL-level outs on pin headers, etc. It would come in handy a LOT (just no time to route the board & all that). Perhaps I should get a cheap 6 port card built around a MCS9845CV chip meanwhile. Oh well.What do you need it for anyways?LOTS of things I won't make a list, it would be just too long. Edited November 12, 2008 by crahak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul_puri20 Posted November 13, 2008 Author Share Posted November 13, 2008 I think QX9xxx is better in price,performance and stability than i7 and phenom ? what you think ? or you guys suggest me to wait for further price cut. and when i7 hitting the retail shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntoMX Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Just a Q9xxx, a QX9xxx isn´t much diferent in performance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think QX9xxx is better in price,performance and stability than i7 and phenom ?Price? Depends. It'x cheaper than i7 for sure (then again, what isn't?) Otherwise, all other chips are cheaper pretty much.Performance? i7 wins here hands down. Then the fancier Intel quad cores, then phenom's and/or fast C2Ds depending on the task at hand...Stability? All CPUs should be a total non-issue. Stability will mainly be affected by the drivers, hence by the chipset used by the board (and also your vid card, etc) as well as overall hardware quality (e.g. a $20 no-name PSU doesn't make for a very stable box). CPU isn't the big issue here.Just a Q9xxx, a QX9xxx isn´t much diferent in performance...Agreed. QX is just expensive.Although I'm very much surprised by your post! No comments on my *completely* off-topic USB -> multi serial crazy design? What kind of EE are you? Are you avoiding such talk not to sound like a geek? (too late, we already know!) I'm shocked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weEvil Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Core i7 consumes less power, it is significantly faster IF the application is heavily multithreaded. 8 or more threads.It's also far more expensive when you consider that: i7 CPU + X58 Motherboard + Tri-Channel DDR3 kit.Bang for buck, Nehalem is junk. Its 30% faster and 300% more expensive.Your options are as follows:Intel Core 2 Duo. Q9450, Q9550, Q9650 E0 steppings on all.Phenom. Anything will do for the moment until.... Deneb. New 45nm CPUs are out for server market as of today. It's faster by ~20% and consumes less power. Deneb will come to desktops in a few months. It matches and exceeds a little bit Core 2 Duo Quads in performance but consumes less power.I'll wager the new Phenom 45nm when it hits consumer desktops will be in the middle between Core 2 Duo and Nehalem performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 It's also far more expensive when you consider that: i7 CPU + X58 Motherboard + Tri-Channel DDR3 kit.[snip]Its 30% faster and 300% more expensive.Completely true, for now. It's faster by ~20%. Deneb will come to desktops in a few months. It matches and exceeds a little bit Core 2 Duo Quads in performance[snipped parts]I'll wager the new Phenom 45nm when it hits consumer desktops will be in the middle between Core 2 Duo and Nehalem performance.That's what I was afraid of. Their upcoming CPUs are only going to basically match or very slightly overperform existing Core 2 Quads And by the time all that good stuff is out, then i7 already won't be looking quite as overpriced anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weEvil Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 (edited) Completely true, for now.Well, duh.Their upcoming CPUs are only going to basically match or very slightly overperform existing Core 2 Quads And by the time all that good stuff is out, then i7 already won't be looking quite as overpriced anymore...There's not a drastic difference between Nehalem and Core 2 Quad anyways. Deneb seems to be pretty good considering a 2.7Ghz Opteron is a tad faster than a 3.0Ghz Xeon at a very reasonable price and much lower power consumption.Opteron Preview: http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3456 Edited November 14, 2008 by brucevangeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntoMX Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Although I'm very much surprised by your post! No comments on my *completely* off-topic USB -> multi serial crazy design? What kind of EE are you? Are you avoiding such talk not to sound like a geek? (too late, we already know!) I'm shocked!Well, why should I start to talk about RS-232 ports . I would use USB to RS-232 so virtual machines can use the RS-232 as a VM can´t use an RS-232 port directly but can use any USB device.Other than that, the RS-232 is still used in modern equipment indeed but I see no use for it on a motherboard.And about what is the “best”, I let you two quarrel a bit more, the topic starter must be flapping with his ears when he sees all your geek talk . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul_puri20 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Your options are as follows:Intel Core 2 Duo. Q9450, Q9550, Q9650 E0 steppings on all.Phenom. Anything will do for the moment until.... Deneb. New 45nm CPUs are out for server market as of today. It's faster by ~20% and consumes less power. Deneb will come to desktops in a few months. It matches and exceeds a little bit Core 2 Duo Quads in performance but consumes less power.I'll wager the new Phenom 45nm when it hits consumer desktops will be in the middle between Core 2 Duo and Nehalem performance.and with which motherboard and case ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Which motherboard would entirely depend on your CPU choice, and specific features you might need or not (SLI/crossfire, firewire, spdif outs, etc)Case is very much a question of personal preferences and budget. Cheap and decent, you could go for something like an Antec 300 (like $50, good airflow and all). There's nicer cases out there, if you want to spend more (mind you, more than half the cases costing more still suck hard). It comes down to how much space you need (like drive bays, or space for bigger coolers), airflow (a LARGE amount of cases completely SUCK at this, and it's quite important) amd noise (120mm fans are quieter and move more air than 80mm ones), how it looks (a LOT of people value looks over function -- like those annoying door things in front of cases), features it might have (e.g. front audio/USB/eSATA ports), how well built it is, is it tool-less, how stuff is mounted inside (orientation of drive bays, PSU at the top or bottom, etc) and some more factors. It's almost like buying a car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul_puri20 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 how is coolermaster 690 case with coolermaster extreme 650 W supply ? and asus p5ne motherboard for intel quad core ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFiend Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 coolermaster 690 caseNo complaints there whatsoever.asus p5ne motherboardIt's a matter of preferences I guess. It has a nvidia chipset on it, so I [personally] definitely wouldn't buy it at any price (I like stability). It's not exactly the most recent chipset either (it's a couple years old). Nothing really amazing...coolermaster extreme 650 W supplyDefinitely not. No Active PFC, not 80+, not modular, no OTP, etc. It's built by acbel polytech (meh). The label doesn't show combined power ratings (they'd rather you not know likely), and if it's like the other "eXtreme Power" models, even using those combined ratings, their power is easily overstated by 100W and the ripple level is unimpressive. Not really a amazing set of connectors, and again if it's like their other models, the wires' gauge is barely adequate (if that)... Or if it's anything like acbel's similar-ish "iPower 660" model, then it's even worse (it barely manages to supply 350W at a real-life operating temperature). There's FAR better out there for the money. Look for Zxian's posts in the hardware section for some suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarle Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) There's so many incorrect statements that have been throw about in this thread, I don't even know where to start. First of all, everyone's been focused on an aspect of the build that's only moderately important and no one's focused on the important parts. I've seen one too many p*** poor build jobs to see where this is going. All the money is going to end up being invested into an expensive and unnecessary Quad Core with no money left for other parts and the choices will end up with a no name power supply, a craptastic motherboard, a single hard drive and 2GB of generic memory.Phenom is crap. I don't care what angle you look at it, it's a joke of an attempt by AMD to try to show that it can compete with Intel. If AMD didn't have ATI and they didn't have such a strong presence in the integrated components market, they've died a long time ago. It's not the rotting desktop processor division that's saving them.Core i7 is where the new disco ball's going to be for a while. It's hilarious to see people think that i7 can't perform when it's a first revision of a completely new architecture and there hasn't even been any retail samples out yet for real world evaluations. Phenom was led by high entusiam by the fanboys which quickly silenced when the real benchmarks were shown whilst the Intel crowd usually waits for the proof in the pudding and silently laughs at the AMD fanboys because they know they got trumped again. Intel's been doing the same tick tock for decades... every time a new architecture comes out it's never some sort of miraculous 500% increase in speed in the first releases. Usually there's no speed increase or sometimes a decrease, but Intel's real strength is the potential the new architecture holds ... every time. Take a look at every last iteration from each architecture that Intel's released and it's always a speed beast next to AMD's equivalent architecture. Sure Intel might start slow off the the flag drop, but it still crosses the finish line in half the time where it counts. Using gaming benchmarks where the CPU has no relevance to try to show dominance is not something to be proud of.With that said, the processor is not as important as people make it out to be. Unless you're running 100% CPU 100% of the time, it's not going to have as much of a significance on performance as other factors will. Instead of building the computer backwards, why not build it properly from the ground up and put the focus where it matters most in the order it matters?First, pick a good case at a reasonable price that offers good airflow using 120mm fans for a decent airflow to noise balance. The Antec 300 is a great example : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811129042 $54.95Second, a solid reliable power supply to ensure a long life and stability for the sytem. The Enermax modu82+ series are rated amongst the best : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817194031 $119.99Next, a quality dependable motherboard which offers a good balance of features and performance. The P5Q-E is a great choice here : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813131296 $144.99A processor with a good performance to price ratio to stay within a reasonable budget. There isn't more obvious then the Intel E2200 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116063 $70.99A large quantity of matched memory from a reputable vendor does wonders. 8GB of G.SKILL (2 kits of 2x2GB) is very affordable : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231148 2 x $59.99DVD-Writers are easily found in SATA configurations for a low price now. The Pioneer DVR-216D is a good example : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827129032 $30.99RAID is the cheapest way to get great performance at for little investment from the most neglected portion of almost all builds. A couple of Western Digital 500GB in RAID 0 fit the bill nicely : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136073 2 x $64.99Finish off with a video card that's balanced such as the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4670 and you've got it all : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102804 $104.99For $776.86, this sums up a much better system for the same price then anything else you can put together using a quad core. Laid out like this, this system can take on almost anything, last for years and still stays within budget. That's the art of building systems the right way. It's all about balance. Edited November 19, 2008 by jcarle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_A Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Well, after a long rambling discussion, it's good to see this back ON topic -- and within budget, too!I wish we had those sort of prices here in the UK. My reqular online suppliers have just hiked some prices by 44% more or less overnight, due to the fall in the £ / $.It's easy to nit-pick, but 8GB of RAM implies a 64-bit Operating System, which is a whole new ball-game that has not been discussed earlier.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahul_puri20 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 your suggestion is good but is this future proof coz i don't wanna upgrade atleast for next 1 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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