Oh, and BTW, be careful with the msxml 3 & 6 updates. There's a new update for msxml3 that replaces kb955069, but we were using 973687 for both msxml3 and msxml6 (replacing 955069 & 954459). So, if you remove 973687, then 954459 comes back in (unless, of course, there is a newer update for both, something like 973687, but newer) bye!