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14 hours ago, Destro said:
AMD K8 Slot A, Pentium II, P55C, K6, Pentium Pro and Xeon II are pretty much the only CPUs that benefit from MMX only build and all of those users combined is less users than Pentium III users who have SSE. To be totally honest PIII is long in the tooth as it is and even with DUAL socket pentium III 1000 Browsing the web is slow and you still can't watch youtube cuz its slow
K8 has MMX, SSE, SSE2, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64, and Cool'n'Quiet.
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15 hours ago, roytam1 said:
you can get the experiment build here. Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any crash/damage caused by this build. You should always test such builds on its own profile.
Good stuff! Firefox 45.9 ESR and Pale Moon 27 have been problematic as of late. I had to relegate the Athlon XP to Debian Sid, so I could compile UXP without SSE2 and get a usable browser. Looks like I may be moving back to XP now 👏
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10 hours ago, neverseen said:
Hey friends,
I'm trying to convince the maintainer of ripcord, (http://cancel.fm/ripcord), a desktop chat client that supports discord and slack, to port his awesome work to XP. Therefore, I would like to show him how many users would support him by buying a license. Everyone who would be willing to purchase the program when it worked on XP, please post here.
Would it allow me to use voice chat?
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10 minutes ago, Tangy said:
Got two PC's (Win xp & win 7) connected directly to a modem. Win 7 no problems at all.
Did you mean router, or modem? I really hope there is a router between your computer and the modem.
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7 hours ago, looking4awayout said:
Yes, it is. So far I never had issues because of the lack of SSE2. It's not that vital to me.
I don't like the Pentium 4, even though I have a working Willamette system at work. I'd rather use an Athlon 64 if there's a motherboard for it that supports dual floppy drives, and if I'd really need SSE2. So far, I don't.
Good for you keeping that old hardware alive!
I imagine there is some kind of adapter available that does 34 pin floppy to USB, or something like that.
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1 hour ago, looking4awayout said:
I am sticking to Mediafire because I do not want to rely on a more modern computer just to upload a revised build. Sorry.
Is the RDD really your "Daily Driver"? If so, hats off to you. I need, bare minimum, at least a Netburst based CPU to get anything done in an efficient manner. Pre SSE2 processors are just something to fiddle with as a hobby for me. The lack of SSE2 on Athlon XP's and Pentium 3's really hampers them, software wise.
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Hi, I know you've said your RDD has a Radeon x1950xt, but do you have an nVidia card to test on? The latest release of the patch causes horrendous stuttering while scrolling with my GeForce 6600. This can be observed in FF 45.9 ESR, as well as Pale Moon 27.
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1 hour ago, VistaLover said:
... I think they themselves stopped calling it that way
; recently, I had the chance to view the "about" box of latest stable Mozilla Firefox v70.0.1 (in sister's Win7 SP1 laptop ) and was surprised to see it was now referred to as "Firefox Browser" ; any bet what it'll be called come v85.0 (I guess it'll make it there, as they'll be increasing major version numbers each month soon...) ?
D'oh. I forgot all about the stupid name change
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On 11/4/2019 at 4:09 AM, looking4awayout said:
EDIT: I have fixed the issue on both the 52 ESR and the NM28 version of the patch. It was caused by this value:
pref("network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy", 2);
Removing this value has restored the user avatar and the feedback count on Ebay. Please re-download and update!
EDIT 2: I have implemented multithreaded image decoding but only on the 45 and 52 ESR versions of the UOC Patch. The 38 ESR and NM 28 versions haven't been touched, as they do not support E10S. Ironically, enabling multithreaded image decoding has somewhat sped up the process of loading images on my Tualatin. Never thought multithreading would work on single core systems...
However, all the versions have been modified to reduce the maximum amount of rendered text per page, from 8191 to 4095.
Please update!
Thanks for checking it out. I'll test the newest version this evening. On a somewhat unrelated note, Firefox Quantum appears to be capable of leveraging WebGL on almost any GPU, regardless of DirectX version support (it uses OpenGL when a DX11 GPU is not present). Under Windows 7, I can achieve silky smooth scrolling, and even 720p video playback with a Pentium 4 670, and a 32MB Radeon 7500. I've tested this on a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 as well, and observed the similar results.
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On 11/1/2019 at 7:24 PM, looking4awayout said:
EDIT: I have just released a New Moon 28-specific version of the UOC Patch. If you have New Moon 28, can you test it for me? Thank you very much!
I'm using the PM28 patch on my Thinkpad T42p with a 2GHz Pentium M, 2GB of DDR, and a Radeon FireGL T2 GPU. Scrolling speed does some to be much improved, but I did notice that the feedback score element is missing when I hover over my username on the eBay landing page. I have highlighted the general area where it is normally displayed, in the picture provided. Not a deal breaker, but worth taking note of IMHO.
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50 minutes ago, caliber said:
didn't miss anything out I was just testing it to see if I could gain some performance.
I thought you wanted people to test your patch and then hear about their result but if you are rude and get mad in this small comunity you have a serious problem
so it's not a matter of money and you use a Penitum 3 just for fun...
I trow away two computers better than yours a few days ago and I have more hardware lying around... I could ship it to you if necessary but with this kind of attitude forget it.
The patch works fine on all of my single core machines. Your inability to use the software correctly is not the authors fault
Stop projecting.
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When is flat everything to die? Modern user interfaces have a serious lack of soul.
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6 hours ago, looking4awayout said:
Awesome! What is the graphics card of your Power Macintosh? Did you use the Enforcer too?
Today I've applied the Patch for the first time on a Vista-era laptop: an Acer Extensa 5230 with a Celeron 560 CPU, 1.5GB of RAM and the infamous Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (or Decelerator, as often nickname it) X3100, born with Windows Vista Basic but came with Windows 7 installed. The Patch made Firefox much more usable and scrolling was actually smooth, which is quite impressive considered the ultra low end architecture of the machine itself. Unfortunately the HDD was not in the best shape (the SMART reported several failures), so if it worked properly, it could've ran even better.
I also got a slight improvement in hardware acceleration after enabling tiles. So apparently the trick reserved for ATI cards might also work with Intel IGPs, or at least it does on the GMA X3100.
This iBook G4 features the Radeon Mobility 9550 32MB.
I have used the enforcer yet, but it is on my docket of things to do today. I can confirm what you've stated about Intel GMA performing well in webgl. In my experience, it performs EXTREMELY well, and considering the low power consumption, I actually prefer Intel GMA in older laptops, as opposed to dedicated GPU's due to excellent webgl performance, low power consumption, and excellent reliability (old laptops were plagued by GPU BGA issues).
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I haven't seen any feedback regarding testing on OSX PPC, so I figured I'd chime in here. Prior to applying the UOC patch, TenFourFox was borderline unusable, even on the fastest Powerbook / iBook laptops. After doing so, I've noticed quite a big uptick in performance, especially while scrolling! So, with that being said, double thanks, @looking4awayout!
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14 minutes ago, looking4awayout said:
So that means it could be possible to compile Serpent and New Moon 28 for SSE only CPUs in Windows? I'm not a programmer but would be interesting to see such a thing see the light of day.
That’s a question for RT to answer. I’m using a modern Linux distro, so I have access to newer libraries, etc, that may not be available for XP. But then again, he’s already demonstrated that these browsers can be built for XP, so common sense tells me dependencies shouldn’t be an issue..
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46 minutes ago, looking4awayout said:
Now that's interesting... I wonder if it could be possible to do the same with the Windows version? I never had the opportunity to check Serpent out, as y'all know, my PC has an SSE only CPU. I'm quite curious to find out how an hypothetical SSE Windows version would perform with the UOC Patch and the other essential add-ons.
That would be neat. NM28 builds for me as well here. It's fast enough out of the box, that I don't really need to do much about:config fiddling. Umatrix will suffice.
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Just now, Mathwiz said:
Good work, but keep in mind UXP's JavaScript compiler will still output SSE2 code, so JavaScript will often foil your SSE-only version of Serpent.
I'm using Umatrix to block most unnecessary scripts, but you're right, it does choke quite badly on JS heavy sites. Still leaps and bounds faster than the SSE only version of Quantum that ships with antiX! That one really takes the cake
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Just now, roytam1 said:
because AMD64 implies SSE2. I think you may need to have a look in NSS's config to see if there is any SSE2 specified.
I was able to get UXP / Serpent to build ok for SSE only processors. Pic related! Thanks for your help :)
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I did
22 minutes ago, roytam1 said:mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-s -j8" ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-mozril-geoloc ac_add_options --disable-webrtc ac_add_options --disable-safe-browsing ac_add_options --disable-parental-controls ac_add_options --enable-release ac_add_options --disable-necko-wifi ac_add_options --disable-eme ac_add_options --disable-gamepad ac_add_options --enable-dbus ac_add_options --disable-gio ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --enable-install-strip ac_add_options --enable-application=browser ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O2 -march=pentium3 -mtune=pentium3 -msse -mno-sse2"
And it crashes every time it tries to make an HTTPS connection. Riccardo Mottolla told me he tried a no SSE2 build, and it does the same exact thing. It works just fine on AMD64 Linux though.
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5 hours ago, roytam1 said:
I think default config will just work? I don't build linux builds but I can give you my win32 .mozconfig for reference:
mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=browser mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j6" ac_add_options --enable-release ac_add_options --enable-application=browser ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O2" ac_add_options --enable-jemalloc ac_add_options --enable-shared-js ac_add_options --enable-devtools ac_add_options --disable-debug ac_add_options --enable-strip ac_add_options --disable-skia ac_add_options --disable-maintenance-service ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter ac_add_options --disable-updater ac_add_options --disable-tests ac_add_options --disable-mochitests ac_add_options --disable-replace-malloc
I don’t need to specify -mno-sse2?
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Hey @roytam1, do you think you might be able to give me an example .mozconfig to do a no SSE2 build of Arctic Fox on Linux? I’m having trouble finding a list of compiler options I should be using to get a desired result.
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5 hours ago, Mathwiz said:
I think XP is still OK for day-to-day use, as long as you have a good AV and an up-to-date Web browser, such as one of @roytam1's builds. [...]
Thank you for compiling all of these together in one post for me! Very helpful!
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11 minutes ago, HarryTri said:
Now that your OS isn't updated anymore you must be more careful. A good antivirus software is necessary in my opinion (you don't mention to have one installed).
Does ClamAV still receive definition updates? Would that suffice?
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21 hours ago, dencorso said:
Now, seriously: nothing is safe, but XP is about as unsafe as 10 (maybe even less, now that it's below 2% market share, and MS compilers set Subsystem Version to 6.1 by default...
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However, security is mainly a PEBCAK, more than anything else. My 2¢, which you asked for.
Understood
The FUD these days is strong, and has made me question my choice of OS. I do intend to continue using XP well into the foreseeable future, but wanted input in regards to whether or not I was being irresponsible by continuing to use it well past EOS.
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; recently, I had the chance to view the "about" box of latest stable Mozilla Firefox v70.0.1 (in sister's Win7 SP1 laptop 
) and was surprised to see it was now referred to as "Firefox Browser" 
; any bet what it'll be called come v85.0 (I guess it'll make it there, as they'll be increasing major version numbers each month soon...) ? 
My Browser Builds (Part 2)
in Browsers working on Older NT-Family OSes
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Hey @roytam1, Serpent SSE is running wonderfully on my Athlon XP 2800+! Big thanks for the build! This machine will definitely be seeing more action